MN - St Cloud Mall stabbings - 8 hurt, perpetrator dead, September 2016

[K_Z]

Officer hailed as hero in St. Cloud rampage

http://www.kare11.com/news/officer-hailed-as-hero-in-st-cloud-rampage/321533847

 

[bluesneakers]

September 18, 2016
7:00 PM EST

FBI: MN Stabbings "Potential Act of Terror

http://go.cnn.com/?stream=cnn&sr=watchHPbutton

“We will continue to lead the global coalition in the fight to destroy ISIL, which is instigating a lot of people over the internet to carry out attacks,” Mr. Obama said. He said the group’s aim was to sow fear as well as destruction, and “We all have a role to play as citizens to make sure we don’t succumb to that fear.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/20/us/obama-st-cloud-minnesota.html

 

[bluesneakers]

Police chief: No link found yet between attacker, ISIS

St. Cloud Police Chief Blair Anderson said at a press conference Monday that investigators so far have not uncovered any connection between ISIS and the deceased suspect in attacks Saturday evening at Crossroads Center

Dayton and Lt. Gov. Tina Smith came to St. Cloud to discuss the attacks that left nine people injured, none of whom remain hospitalized.

Dayton reported earlier in the day that President Obama called him Monday morning to express his concern and offered any assistance needed.

"He asked me to convey his high regard for the work together by federal, state and local law enforcement officials," Dayton's statement read. "He also asked me to convey his deep appreciation for the heroism of the police office who stopped the attacker."

 

[CARIIS]

The fact remains that Dahir Adan is too young to have been traumatized by life in a refugee camp, or in Somalia. He spent his entire life from the age of 2, in the American midwest-- Fargo and St. Cloud. PTSD is not passed on from adults to their offspring. The trauma of one's parents, or homeland, is simply not any kind of justification for taking a knife to a shopping mall and terrorizing and stabbing shoppers, while shouting about allah and asking them if they are muslims.

That is clearly criminal terrorism--there is just no reasonable or logical way to spin that into some poor lad with "trauma".

Not only that, it appears that the security guard uniform he was wearing may have been to lull his victims into coming closer, or persuade them into thinking he was not a danger to them. Why else would he be wearing a security guard uniform from a job that ended THREE months ago, while he entered the mall intending to stab a bunch of people??



http://www.twincities.com/2016/09/18/st-cloud-mall-attack-what-we-know-right-now/

BBM

And he was majoring at school in a computer related field, so all of his electronic communications and devices will be scoured thoroughly for any evidence he was watching ISIS inspirational videos, or communicating with ISIS sympathizers.

Well Fargo...........................

 

[human]

The fact remains that Dahir Adan is too young to have been traumatized by life in a refugee camp, or in Somalia. He spent his entire life from the age of 2, in the American midwest-- Fargo and St. Cloud. PTSD is not passed on from adults to their offspring. The trauma of one's parents, or homeland, is simply not any kind of justification for taking a knife to a shopping mall and terrorizing and stabbing shoppers, while shouting about allah and asking them if they are muslims.

That is clearly criminal terrorism--there is just no reasonable or logical way to spin that into some poor lad with "trauma".

Not only that, it appears that the security guard uniform he was wearing may have been to lull his victims into coming closer, or persuade them into thinking he was not a danger to them. Why else would he be wearing a security guard uniform from a job that ended THREE months ago, while he entered the mall intending to stab a bunch of people??



http://www.twincities.com/2016/09/18/st-cloud-mall-attack-what-we-know-right-now/

BBM

And he was majoring at school in a computer related field, so all of his electronic communications and devices will be scoured thoroughly for any evidence he was watching ISIS inspirational videos, or communicating with ISIS sympathizers.

There are many many many studies showing how children suffer from the PTSD of parents. How it is "passed down" to,the child. Here is just one.

https://newrepublic.com/article/120144/trauma-genetic-scientists-say-parents-are-passing-ptsd-kids

 

[human]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/minnesota-mall-stabbing-realization-terror-fears-42188133

BBM. He wasn't in school at present-- did not enroll for summer or fall sessions.

Also-- a discrepancy I've noticed. Some articles quote his father (thru an interpreter) as saying DA came to the U.S. at age 2. Others say DA had been in the U.S. "15 years". So it's not entirely clear if he was 2 years old, or seven years old, when he came to the U.S. midwest.



By the way, money for college would likely not have been a problem causing DA to drop out. There are MANY programs to provide free tuition to immigrants in the state system. So, IMO, if he dropped out of college, it wasn't because he couldn't afford tuition to the St. Cloud technical school he was enrolled in.

Just one example of college money for immigrants (and illegal ones, at that):

http://www.startribune.com/minnesot...es-college-possible-for-immigrants/220290231/

Help for Somali immigrants:

http://www.sctcc.edu/today’s-immigration-stories-sound-familiar

https://www.mnsu.edu/news/read/?id=1289837401&paper=topstories

Proud of MN. That is one of the reasons MN has so many Fortune 500 companies and is cited as the best place to raise children, healthy, what else? Always top ACT and SAT scores. Education and people are valued and it shows.

 

[CARIIS]

I am offended that our president and the FBI continue to call this a "POTENTIAL act of terror" WTH?

When are we going to start believing the own words out of the terrorist mouth. When an attacker screams out Allah and starts to selectively pick their victims by whether they are muslim or not, is that not common sense enough to quit saying it is a potential act of terror?

How about just calling it what it is. And how about just believing the attacker when he tells you himself why he is doing what he is doing. Good Grief.

I dont get it at all and never will. People are more outraged with officials putting their heads in the sand and pretending this is not a case of terrorism than they would be if they just admitted what the attacker told them.
So what ? He is just another terrorist just like many others before him and just like the bomber in NYC.

They choose to hate america and choose to start killing and maiming americans even though America gave them all the chances and opportunities they would ever need to be successful and have a good life with freedoms. Things they would NEVER get in any other counry. And just because these idiots like the attacker have not been successful and have not made something out of their life they choose to be lazy SOBs and decide to maim or kill other innocent people.

And our officials will pretend this is something else and say "Oh the reason is still unknown why he did what he did. We are still investigating his motive". Really? When 90% of all people in the US already know exactly why he did what he did.

How about getting a grip on reality and realize these SOBs are stabbing you in the back.
Wake up and call it what it is. The world wont end when you do and you may just end up doing better to prevent the next terrorist if you quit thinking there is some mystery alterior motive of these SOBs.


"Police and witnesses said the man, wearing a private security company uniform, entered Crossroads Mall on Saturday night around 8 p.m. CT, made a reference to Allah and asked at least one person if they were Muslim before he attacked."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/18/us/minnesota-mall-stabbing/

I kinda look at it different. I think a lot has to do with some of these guys parents. There muslim stuff is more entrenched just cause there older.

By that I mean, and it probably would have some accuracy, to having your parents think (Omar/this guy), that although awful, it might be easier, quietly , for them to beleive that there kids did stuff like this for there culture as opposed to being out right mass murderers.

And it is fascinating at some level. Now all the conversation is all about why were they not on a watchlist, investigated by the FBI etc. NUT in Omar case the FBI did so more than once and most people blew their conclusions off.

So on one hand , when they do it, and then noone belieives that at that time there was no ev idnece of any terror ties, but when they dont , if one is not gonna beleive their conclusions, why does it matter if the FBI did or did not ?

Makes no sense. I think older Americans (us) are more familiar and used to Al Quida, Osama, very orchestrated operations, that back then were much easier to monitor by our intel agencies.

Internet is much more potent -- much harder to find one human being that is thinking bad things online alone, as oppossed to "finding" attacks that require many people, money transfers etc etc.

Its no different than a mass shooter. We dont have the expectation that LE is supposed to be able to see and thwart all the signs we see afterwards.

In a way its asking for psycics. We dont "blame" Le for not being able to predict when a protest is gonna turn violent.

Terrorism is big bucks- in our political system - its good for lack of a better word , to keep american citizens foucsed on terrorism. The military complex is very dependant on keeping this upfront and center.

Its big bucks, its jobs, livlihoods etc. That presser today , IMO, was a total proaganda deal. And apparently most beleive it. All this accolades for all the billions we spend on all these agencies and equipment - and manpower and bla bla - they did nothing-in fact if you step back they did a horrible job.

In two hours, after a bar tender it went from a widespread terrror cell operating in two cities, to a lone wolf two hours later. So ya gotta really come with the conclusion that had no idea what they were talking about a 7AM this morning. They changed their minds, in 128 minutes!

It like a doctor telling someone I think you have cancer and when bloodwork comes back oh you have diabetes. I would not give that doctor much faith.

They did what they know to do - give AMericans a reason to beleive that we need to be spending the amount of money we are on "security", bring out all these people running around with big guns , blocking off areas where there is no danger anylonger, keep your sirens on.

San Bern was much more sophisticated than Boston or this - and with all there toys they missed that one also.

when the facts are a smoker, and a bartender ended (for free) two major terrorist attacks in the United States of America...................without any technolgy............. but eyes............

A simple look at the facts are telling.

60 AMericans were killed by terrorists after 9-11.

2,961 of these deaths occurred on American soil. 2,902 of these deaths occurred during the attacks on September 11, 2001.


Generally speaking by number of attacks the number of attacks in AMerica has gone down

there were three times as many attacks in 1995 compared to 2014



After 9-11 to 2008 Three AMericans were killed by terrorists

2009 had 18

World wide 500 people have been killed by terroists

Cars in 2015: 38,300 people were killed on U.S. roads, and 4.4 million

U.S. spends at least $100 billion a year on counter-terrorism efforts.

U.S. House of Representatives on Thursday voted to slash proposed spending increases for vehicle safety including defect investigations.



https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_AmericanTerrorismDeaths_FactSheet_Oct2015.pdf

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...largest-percent-in-50-years-safety-group-says

http://www.autonews.com/article/201...s-proposed-spending-increases-for-auto-safety

 

[bluesneakers]

Hi CARIIS!

 

[human]

CAARIS you are so right on. Big bucks.

 

[K_Z]

Dahir Adan had been in a "joyful" and "happy" mood on Saturday before he went to a St. Cloud, Minnesota, mall to buy a phone, a community leader told CNN on Monday.

Adan, a private security firm employee with a good reputation in St. Cloud's Somali community, was intent on purchasing the newly released iPhone 7, according to Haji Yussuf, a local Somali community leader who has been in contact with the man's family.

Earlier, two Somali community leaders in contact with the man's family told CNN that Adan had been acting strangely before the incident.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/19/us/minnesota-mall-stabbing/

Joyful and happy? Perhaps he was "joyful and happy" that he had finally made up his mind to go through with a stabbing rampage against innocent and peaceful shoppers at a mall, in the name of his religion?

Perhaps he was joyful and happy because he was planning to implement his plan just days after eid al adha (a "joyful" holiday in islam, last week).

I would say that part of "acting strangely" would be wearing a uniform from a job that ended 3 months ago, to the mall, while claiming to be going to buy an iPhone 7, and carrying a knife with which the person intended to stab and kill a bunch of peaceful shoppers, while shouting about islam and allah, is indeed VERY strange behavior. As in, criminally terrorist behavior. CNN left out those parts.

Federal law enforcement sources and Somali community leaders identified Adan on Monday. An ISIS-linked news agency praised him as a "soldier of the Islamic state."

CNN hasn't independently verified the claim, and on Monday, authorities maintained that the suspect appeared to have acted alone.

"We haven't uncovered anything that would suggest this was anything but a lone attacker at this point," Anderson told reporters.

The FBI is calling the attack "a potential act of terrorism." But no evidence has been found tying the suspect directly to terror groups, the police chief said.

Wait a minute. Who exactly said that a terrorist could not act alone?? Plenty of terrorists have acted "alone", without ties directly linking them to other terrorist groups-- if they claim responsibility or allegiance, or the other terrorists praise them, but they aren't in contact, that doesn't mean that the acts were not acts of terrorism!! The intentional slant on these stories is infuriating! The media authors are trying to imply that if it's a "lone wolf" (like Omar Mateen and others) that it is somehow "not" terrorism, or "not" radical islamic terrorism. See, if they can make these lone wolves into just "garden variety" criminal nutjobs, they can deny that there is any link to violence in the name of islam.

It's exactly what politicians and the media tried to do with Nidal Hassan, with the "workplace violence" meme. And we ALL know that Nidal Hassan was unquestionably a radicalized muslim terrorist-- by his OWN admission. And the Chatanooga shootings in 2015-- same methodology.

The new political and media undercurrent in this case, the Pulse nightclub massacre, and the weekend bombings in NY and NJ is just a bunch of shoulder shrugging over "nobody can develop methods to detect, monitor, and apprehend lone wolf terrorists, so we all just better get used to the idea of random radicalized muslims trying to kill peaceful citizens on U.S. soil." IMO.

More:

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/09/19/family-st-cloud-mall-suspect-was-picking-up-iphone/

ST. CLOUD, Minn. (WCCO) — WCCO’s Esme Murphy spoke with a top community leader who has been working with the family of Dahir Adan since Saturday night.

Haji Yussuf, the founder of the anti-Islamophobia group Unite Cloud, said that Adan left his family apartment to go pick up his new preordered iPhone at the T-Mobile store inside the mall.

“He went out to get an iPhone. He was very happy, he was joyful leaving home,” Yussuf said.

Employees at the T-Mobile store in the mall declined to comment and referred WCCO to national T-Mobile media representatives.

Did he actually order a new iPhone 7 at all? I suspect he didn't, and it was a cover story he told.

The security firm Securitas issued a statement that Adan had resigned in June of 2016 from his part-time security job with them and that he had been assigned to the St. Cloud company Electrolux Home Products.

The family says he was currently working as a security guard at Capital One in downtown St. Cloud and that he was enrolled as a student at St. Cloud State. But St. Cloud State said he had been enrolled between 2014 and the spring of 2016 and was no longer enrolled there. Late Monday, Capital One said that after a review of company records, Adan had never worked there.

Did his family or friends KNOW he dropped out of college? Did his family or friends KNOW he resigned his job as a security guard in JUNE? Or did he lie to them?

“He had identified himself as a police officer, he made a command, the suspect went down and then immediately came forward, lunged at him with a knife,” Kleis said. “There must have been more than 20 feet but he covered it in a matter of a second and then the officer fired.”

The mayor says the video shows Adan getting him up three times and the officer continuing to fire.

And while we have heard numerous victims say Adan was shouting “God is great” in Arabic and demanding to know if shoppers were Muslim or not, the family told Yussuf he was not particularly religious and that they did not know of any ties he had to ISIS or radical groups.

Family has released a statement at the link. I strongly suspect the family didn't write a single word of the "statement". Their lawyer and CAIR wrote it for them, IMO.

 

[K_Z]

NYT article, with embedded video interview with a victim (who had just returned home for a visit from basic training). He and the other guy, who had also been stabbed, followed DA to stop him, but DA was moving too fast.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/20/us/obama-st-cloud-minnesota.html?_r=0

Video report at this link as well.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/09/19/family-st-cloud-mall-suspect-was-picking-up-iphone/

Also revealed that there is a 10th stabbing victim. All will survive.

 

[human]

http://www.kare11.com/news/local/understanding-urged-in-st-cloud/321605463

St. Cloud Police Chief William Blair Anderson confirmed that community elders expressed concerns to him about potential problems that may arise from the stabbing, and the fact it appears it was carried out by someone from the Somali community.

"They did express concerns and their fears. Sad as that is, it didn't surprise me," Anderson told reporters, a nod to the conflicts that have simmered between longtime residents and new arrivals for years. "What I do know about St. Cloud is this: No matter who fear-mongers, yells racial epithets or has myopic ideas about people who are different, it is not representative of this community at large. A lot of fine, hard-working people here and we are going to do our level best to be sure our entire population, not just east African community, there are other groups that live here in St. Cloud who weren't born here. Our job is to make sure they all get the same level of professionalism and safety."

 

[K_Z]

After traveling to St. Cloud Monday morning, Gov. Mark Dayton acknowledged the possibility that the mall rampage could cause tensions that already exist to boil over.

"I implore citizens of St. Cloud, and really, citizens throughout Minnesota to rise above this tragic incident and remember our common humanity, and our shared citizenship, and our shared desire to live together peacefully and constructively for the benefit of ourselves, our families and communities," Dayton said.

http://www.kare11.com/news/local/understanding-urged-in-st-cloud/321605463

Again, deeply, deeply offensive, and insulting for the governor to stand there and say this out loud. It shows he is completely unfit to lead, and since he isn't running for re-election, he will say whatever he wants to placate the "community" of the terrorist who just attacked and stabbed 10 innocent shopppers in a mall. He is asking people to IGNORE what just happened, and lavishing ALL of his "sympathy" on the Somali community, while LECTURING everyone else about being "tolerant" of those who are trying to commit terror and mayhem in the name of radical islam. That's NOT what a governor, of any political party, should be saying or doing in these circumstances, IMO.

What he's implying is "get over it, nobody died". Deeply, deeply appalling and offensive. Not what any leader should be saying at this point in the situation.

How about the 10 people stabbed? Their pain? Their trauma? Their scars? Their families? Their friends? Their jobs? Their PEACEFUL lives disrupted?? What does he have to say about that?

 

[Inthedetails]

http://www.kare11.com/news/local/understanding-urged-in-st-cloud/321605463

Again, deeply, deeply offensive, and insulting for the governor to stand there and say this out loud. It shows he is completely unfit to lead, and since he isn't running for re-election, he will say whatever he wants to placate the "community" of the terrorist who just attacked and stabbed 10 innocent shopppers in a mall. He is asking people to IGNORE what just happened, and lavishing ALL of his "sympathy" on the Somali community, while LECTURING everyone else about being "tolerant" of those who are trying to commit terror and mayhem in the name of radical islam. That's NOT what a governor, of any political party, should be saying or doing in these circumstances, IMO.

What he's implying is "get over it, nobody died". Deeply, deeply appalling and offensive. Not what any leader should be saying at this point in the situation.

How about the 10 people stabbed? Their pain? Their trauma? Their scars? Their families? Their friends? Their jobs? Their PEACEFUL lives disrupted?? What does he have to say about that?

The perp is dead. If he were alive, he would go through our legal system, based on our written laws, just like anyone else. That is how justice is served in our country. But, he's dead.

What would a leader do in our culture except to promote peace among the people. Seems like a wise thing to do.

As for the victims, what they need is time and support to heal, just like victims of any crime or accident or tragedy always have to do. What else would there be for them to do?

Incidents like these do make people angry - I get it. But I'm not sure what you're expecting to happen in the wake of this.

 

[human]

I love what the Gov says. He is appealing to people's higher nature. The best we can be. Otherwise we can sink to the level of hate that creates these incidents

 

[K_Z]

Victims speak out: 'I begged him, don't kill me'

Isaiah Mordal was stabbed in the back during the Saturday night rampage at Crossroads Center, while his nine-month pregnant girlfriend Johanna Bohnenkamp managed to escape with a laceration to her neck.

"I begged him, 'Don't kill me,'" Mordal said on Monday. "'Please don't do this. I don't know why you're doing this. You don't have to.'"

Mordal said he was leaving work at a pretzel shop inside the mall when he saw the suspect -- he was walking towards him when he suddenly grabbed an older woman, put his arm around her and said something Mordal couldn't understand.

Then, without warning, Mordal said he pulled out a knife and started stabbing her. He then moved to another man nearby and stabbed him, as well.

"It seemed like he went after everyone's neck," she said.

Mordal said he could feel the blood running down his back.

"I kept screaming, 'Someone call 911, call 911, there's someone in the mall stabbing people,'" he said. "Everybody just kind of panicked, started running around screaming."

The doctor told Mordal if the knife had gone any deeper into his back, it would've punctured his lung. He's now home recovering after being released from the hospital Sunday morning.

http://www.kare11.com/news/victims-speak-out-i-begged-him-dont-kill-me/321657226

http://www.kare11.com/news/family-of-mall-stabbing-suspect-devastated/321780152

One victim, Ryan Schliep, told WCCO-TV that Adan “just walked right at me” before quickly stabbing Schliep in the head.

“He looked just blank in the eyes like he wasn’t even there,” Schliep said.

“Some random other citizen grabbed some clothing and tried to bandage me. The ambulance came and they rushed me and put me in with another individual who was stabbed.”

Schliep is expected to be OK, but had a very close call: The blade nearly punctured his brain, CBS Minnesota reports.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/minnesota-mall-stabber-dahir-adans-family-says-its-in-deep-shock/

 

[human]

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/wat...ey-try-goading-him-to-bash-somali-immigrants/

“I can tell you that the vast majority of all of our citizens, no matter their ethnicity, are fine, hard-working people, and now is not the time for us to be divisive,” he said. “We already have a very cohesive community, and I expect that this will draw us even closer together. But at the end of the day, our job is public safety, period.”

Anderson then went on to say that developing relationships with Somalis in his community was vital to rooting out potential extremists.

“We actually work very well not just with our East African community, but all of our community,” he said. “We meet regularly with any number of people, whether they are advocates for a specific ethnicity or different cause. It’s one of things that makes St. Cloud a wonderful place to live, and I know that might sound corny, but it’s the truth. We have established and maintained a very good rapport with our East African community and our community at large.”

 

[K_Z]

The scope of the problem of radicalization and Jihadi recruiting in the Somali population in MN-- these are from 2015. Radicalization of young males is a very, very serious problem in the Somali population,-- so serious that even left leaning politicians and the White house have been forced to confront this problem openly. We simply cannot "pretend" any longer that these kind of incidents are simply garden variety crimes, and have no links or association with the population, or radical islamic ideas. Politicians and the media are so "afraid" of offending someone with the truth, that they are willing to overlook, or explain away the problem that everyone can plainly see. They are willing to sacrifice lives, so as not to speak the truth, or offend an immigrant group.

For Somalis In Minneapolis, Jihadi Recruiting Is A Recurring Nightmare

This week officials are gathering in Washington to discuss how to counter extremist messages, particularly those from the self-proclaimed Islamic State.

In the discussions at the White House this week, one city has focused minds: Minneapolis-St Paul. It had been ground zero for terrorist recruiters in the past, and is fast becoming the center of ISIS' recruitment effort in the United States.

Since the end of 2013, law enforcement officials say, eleven men and one woman with ties to the Twin Cities have traveled to Syria. Another dozen or so either have tried to travel there before authorities intercepted them, or are believed to be preparing to go. What's more, officials say, the ISIS travelers are young: 15 and 16-year-olds are signing up.

Parents in the community are frightened. They have experienced this before, and there is a sinking feeling among parents that they'll be losing their children again.

"They are more afraid now than ever before because ISIS is something worse than anything we have ever seen," said Bihi.

http://www.npr.org/2015/02/18/387302748/minneapolis-st-paul-remains-a-focus-of-jihadi-recruiting

FROM THE HEARTLAND TO JIHAD

How a group of young men from Minnesota were drawn into ISIL's campaign of terror

Similar, carefully choreographed arrests played out across the Twin Cities and in San Diego that day in April. By day’s end, Omar and five other young Somali-American men from the Twin Cities were in jail, and Minnesota and its Somali community once again found themselves in the international terrorism spotlight.

No state in the country has provided more fresh young recruits to violent jihadist groups like Al-Shabab and, more recently, the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL). Over the last decade, dozens of mostly young men have abandoned the relative comfort and security of life in the Twin Cities to fight and, in many instances, die, in faraway lands.

While the April arrests marked a major victory in federal efforts to slow the exodus of local men abroad, its impact on the families and the Twin Cities Somali-American community — the largest in the U.S. — has been profound. The FBI tried for years to convince some of the men to become government informants, and agents often followed them to and from work and school.

http://www.startribune.com/from-the-heartland-to-jihad-heeding-isil-s-call-to-terror/324121191/

 

[K_Z]

http://www.kare11.com/news/victims-speak-out-i-begged-him-dont-kill-me/321657226

"He screamed something inaudible at me and ran at me with his arm cocked back," he said. "At which point, I ducked and turned and he struck me and stabbed me in my right shoulder blade.

He grabbed her by the shoulders but she managed to escape with a cut to the back of her neck.

"It seemed like he went after everyone's neck," she said.

Mordal said he could feel the blood running down his back.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-in-a-minnesota-mall/?utm_term=.ba21d7d713a9

Then, without a word, the man raised his arm and stabbed Schliep in the head, causing him to fall to the ground. The blade went through his skin and touched his skull, Schliep said. From what he can tell, the man was holding a small knife, and the blade barely stuck out of his hand.

Many of the victims of the mall stabbing rampage report being stabbed in the head, neck, back, or hands. IMO, given the islamic framework of the attacker's comments, these are not simply bodily targets of convenience. They are highly symbolic to the "islamic fighter". The koran commands believers to "strike at the neck" of nonbelievers. These are the same verses that ISIS and other radical islamic terrorists quote to justify the beheadings of their victims.

Paraphrasing the relevant verses:

Then how [will it be] when the angels take them in death, striking their faces and their backs?

So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them...

I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.

Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

I believe that the injuries DA's victims suffered are highly symbolic of his "islamic fighter" framework, which led to him "rising up" three times at the final confrontation with Officer Falconer. At that point, he "had to" die as part of his rampage, in order to enter heaven (islamic fighter beliefs). He could not allow himself to be taken prisoner or "hostage".

I think he actually intended to kill most, or all, of his victims, but thankfully wasn't a good enough fighter in hand to hand combat. A knife attack is a whole lot more personal, and a different mindset, than picking up a gun, for example. The knife was his "blade", his "sword", in the islamic radical mindset. And it appears that thankfully, the knife he selected was not long or large.

I think he intended to die all along, as a "martyr". It would be interesting to know if he "prepared" himself to die in the islamic fighter fashion-- if his autopsy is ever released, it could provide some insight. For example, one thing islamic fighters do to prepare themselves for death is to bathe, freshly shave all pubic and body hair, and put on clean clothes (preferably new) from the skin out. They typically don't shave the beard, and almost never wear a mustache-- forbidden by devout teachings.

 

[human]

http://www.kare11.com/news/victims-speak-out-i-begged-him-dont-kill-me/321657226



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-in-a-minnesota-mall/?utm_term=.ba21d7d713a9



Many of the victims of the mall stabbing rampage report being stabbed in the head, neck, back, or hands. IMO, given the islamic framework of the attacker's comments, these are not simply bodily targets of convenience. They are highly symbolic to the "islamic fighter". The koran commands believers to "strike at the neck" of nonbelievers. These are the same verses that ISIS and other radical islamic terrorists quote to justify the beheadings of their victims.

Paraphrasing the relevant verses:

Then how [will it be] when the angels take them in death, striking their faces and their backs?

So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them...

I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.

Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

I believe that the injuries DA's victims suffered are highly symbolic of his "islamic fighter" framework, which led to him "rising up" three times at the final confrontation with Officer Falconer. At that point, he "had to" die as part of his rampage, in order to enter heaven (islamic fighter beliefs). He could not allow himself to be taken prisoner or "hostage".

I think he actually intended to kill most, or all, of his victims, but thankfully wasn't a good enough fighter in hand to hand combat. A knife attack is a whole lot more personal, and a different mindset, than picking up a gun, for example. The knife was his "blade", his "sword", in the islamic radical mindset. And it appears that thankfully, the knife he selected was not long or large.

I think he intended to die all along, as a "martyr". It would be interesting to know if he "prepared" himself to die in the islamic fighter fashion-- if his autopsy is ever released, it could provide some insight. For example, one thing islamic fighters do to prepare themselves for death is to bathe, freshly shave all pubic and body hair, and put on clean clothes (preferably new) from the skin out. They typically don't shave the beard, and almost never wear a mustache-- forbidden by devout teachings.

Was his security uniform new?