MN - St Cloud Mall stabbings - 8 hurt, perpetrator dead, September 2016

He looks older than his other pictures, seems big and menacing as heck. You can see the knife bend in his hand as he stabs at the man's shoulder area, then he takes out another knife, seen more clearly here, and more still as he rampages, including as Officer Falconer courageously and patiently draws him away from others:

[video=youtube;0oRgKglQy0o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oRgKglQy0o[/video]
 
I wonder what happened to change him? Drugs? Rejection by gf? Something happened to change him to depression.
 
K_Z&FindHG thank you for posting & keeping it real. Damn radical islam.
 
He read the koran. JMO

Especially the way it has been published, in the Middle East (by the Saudis, the Gulf et al or even the Iranian versions), as of the past forty to sixty years, apparently, according to experts who are often silenced.

If he took increasingly vehement interpretations and inferences emphasized by these variously and perhaps viciously empowered publishers seriously, then, yes, this freak's path would have been paved for him ideologically, along with whatever else was driving him to this extreme, seems possible.

What's it going to take to change that? Who ever foregoes what brings them power, purse and influence willingly, among the leaders in that part of the world? At least, I haven't noticed it.
 
I wonder what happened to change him? Drugs? Rejection by gf? Something happened to change him to depression.

Probably a combination of things like we've seen in so many other mass shooters and killers. It seems there's tipping point and it's different for everyone.
 
Especially the way it has been published, in the Middle East (by the Saudis, the Gulf et al or even the Iranian versions), as of the past forty years to sixty years, if he took increasingly vehement interpretations and inferences emphasized by these variously and perhaps viciously empowered publishers seriously, then, yes, this freak's path would have been paved for him, seems possible. What's it going to take to change that? Who ever foregoes what brings them power and influence willingly, among the leaders in that part of the world? At least, I have yet to notice it.

There's nothing wrong with the Koran. We have to get rid of the people who twist it and warp and influence the minds of others. We somehow have to cut off their access to people in other countries. Americans can be radicalized via youtube and other sites. How do we stop that? I doubt this kid ever read any of the Koran at all - merely parroted what he'd heard and read on the net.
 
And what about the killer, I forget which one, who asked if people were Christian. He said it would be good cuz they would see their maker soon or some such thing.

What about all of these school killers? So many tragic people out there.So many choices of things that inspire a sick person. How about the Joker?
 
And what about the killer, I forget which one, who asked if people were Christian. He said it would be good cuz they would see their maker soon or some such thing.

What about all of these school killers? So many tragic people out there.So many choices of things that inspire a sick person. How about the Joker?

I think that was the shooter in Umpqua. At first everyone assumed he killed them if they were Christians.
 
That security vid. was hard to watch.
Esp. the electronics employee ; just people going about their day... :(

What a worthless monster. Good god.

So thankful there were no deaths of the innocent victims !!!!!! May they heal physically and emotionally.
 
There's nothing wrong with the Koran. We have to get rid of the people who twist it and warp and influence the minds of others. We somehow have to cut off their access to people in other countries. Americans can be radicalized via youtube and other sites. How do we stop that? I doubt this kid ever read any of the Koran at all - merely parroted what he'd heard and read on the net.

BBM Well this isn't working.

Maryland Imam Tests Limits of Free Speech by Praising ISIS Beheadings
Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/m...g-isis-beheadings-170500/#eHOvuDHrksAIqyKV.99
Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/m...g-isis-beheadings-170500/#xogkcHv2TxcdWJkz.99

A Muslim cleric in Maryland, who has openly endorsed the Islamic State terror group and funded at least one Muslim convert who was arrested for buying illegal explosives, has not been charged or arrested because, according to authorities, he hasn't broken any laws.
 
I wonder what happened to change him? Drugs? Rejection by gf? Something happened to change him to depression.

Dating, any kind of premarital physical contact, and drugs, among observant muslims are officially "haraam". Actually, pretty much anything involving western lifestyles is "haraam".

Haram (/ˈhɛərəm, ˈhær-/; Arabic: حَرَام‎‎ ḥarām) is an Arabic term meaning "forbidden".

In Islamic jurisprudence, haram is used to refer to any act that is forbidden by Allah, and is one of five Islamic commandments (الأحكام الخمسة‎ (al-ahkam al-khamsah)) that define the morality of human action.[1] Acts that are haram are typically prohibited in the religious texts of the Quran and the Sunnah. The category of haram is the highest status of prohibition. Islam teaches that a haram (sinful) act is recorded by an angel on the person's left shoulder.[2] If something is considered haram, it remains prohibited no matter how good the intention is or how honorable the purpose is.[3] A haram is converted into a gravitational force on the day of judgment and placed on mizan (weighing scales).[4][5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haram

Lots more at the link, and "haram" or "haraam" is easily searched.

I don't agree at all that he, or any other radicalized young muslims, are "depressed" when they carry out rampages. Conversely to "depression", I think that the process of radicalization provides the budding young terrorist with a purpose, indeed a "higher purpose" in their life, in the murders they aspire to commit, and in their deaths as martyrs. Just like inner city youths who aspire to belong to criminal gangs to find a sense of family and purpose they lack in their upbringing, so do young muslims who gravitate toward radicalization aspire to be "more" than they are.

Terrorists need a sense of purpose, and a sense of belonging. It's essential, IMO, that they feel this confidence, belonging, and affinity to the radicalized ideas, in order to justify their actions and their martyrdom. Otherwise, they're just one lonely, murderous, misfit, nutjob-- and THAT would be a depressing thought to them, IMO! (Your'e not getting into heaven if you're a lonely, murderous, misfit, nutjob-- only if you're a "virtuous martyr".)

I think a lot of young muslim men in this country feel like they are not a part of either culture-- their islamic homeland culture, and western culture. (And I'm referring to refugees, or those born here to refugee muslim parents-- refugees, not immigrants, there's quite an enormous difference, IMO, between immigrants, and refugees.) They don't fit in western culture (especially in the midwest), and they don't "fit" in the role of "man" in their muslim refugee communities. They are lost between 2 worlds, and the way some of them choose to "be a man" and "fit" somewhere is to embrace radical islam. And radicalizing elements are predatory, always on the lookout for ripe, receptive men. The dilemma all refugee muslims have is the struggle between trying to continue living their religion and culture here, with assimilation to western lifestyles. The more they assimilate to western ideals, morals, lifestyle, and values, the more they struggle with culture and family, and the more "ripe" they become for radicalization from the internal struggle.

There is plenty written by experts in the past 20 years about the psychology of islamic radicalization-- dozens of books for the lay public, as well as commissioned governmental studies. These are not just my opinions and ideas.

It takes a fair amount of resolve, and confidence, to carry out a terrorist attack-- especially with a knife. A knife is a very "personal" weapon, not like a gun. A murderous rampage is not a sign of depression, IMO. They're not depressed, they're radicalized, and confident. Enormous difference.
 
Here are a few discussions of the psychology of islamic radicalization-- and I can find no mentions of depression as a motivating or risk factor. Experts agree that terrorists, and budding terrorists, are not depressed or mentally ill.

This idea that someone must be "mentally ill" or expressing a psychological breakdown when they radicalize and carry out terroristic rampages is simply not supported by any evidence. Yet, apologists (or those in willful denial) often make excuses for radicalization by assuming and promoting that terrorists are mentally ill. Or comparing the actions of a terrorist attacker to a rampage attacker that actually "is" mentally ill, and not immersed in promoting an organized islamic terroristic ideology (mentally ill attackers such as Adam Lanza, James Holmes, or Robert Dear). Promoting terrorists as mentally ill is a deliberate false flag, and a willful denial (a lie) about what the real issues are with terrorists, radicalization, and ideologically driven islamic rampage attacks. Just like trying to persuade the public that the Fort Hood massacre, and Chatanooga, were "workplace violence."

Anyway, here are but a few references of the 311,000 returned results on a search:

Radicalization of Young Muslims
Reasons and Prevention
Posted Nov 28, 2015

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-the-cycle/201511/radicalization-young-muslims

The Psychology Of Radicalization: How Terrorist Groups Attract Young Followers
December 15, 2015

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/15/45969...-how-terrorist-groups-attract-young-followers

The Psychology of Radicalization

http://www.zis-online.com/dat/artikel/2014_9_843.pdf

What causes Radicalisation? Main lines of consensus in recent research.

http://www.radicalisationresearch.org/guides/francis-2012-causes-2/
 
http://www.sctimes.com/story/news/l...idnimo-unidos-st-cloud-walked-peace/91783600/

"Unity, Midnimo, Unidos!"

Hundreds of people shouted the phrase as they walked through downtown St. Cloud on a chilly Saturday morning.

They added: "People united will never be divided."

The marchers were part of a Unity Walk, organized following the mall attack at Crossroads Center in September.

The event's intent was only to say that the community is united, said Mary Smith of the Somali-American Relations Council and one of the organizers.

The marchers wore blue T-shirts bearing the same sentiment, unity, in English, Somali and Spanish. Those are the three main languages spoken in Central Minnesota. Together, with members of the faith community, Christian and Muslim, the group walked together as a sign of peace.

Organizers handed out shirts with UNITED printed in English, Spanish and Somali before a unity walk Saturday in St. Cloud. The group went from the St. Cloud Library to the Stearns County Courthouse. (Photo: Jason Wachter, jwachter@stcloudtimes.com)
"It is about inclusivity. It's about people faith, but it's also about people who are coming for very different reasons," said Kathy Langer, director of social concerns for Catholic Charities of the Diocese of St. Cloud. "Some of us come because we believe in a God that loves us, all of us, and that we're all created good and lovable. Some will come for other reasons. But whatever that is, we're all united and looking ... to build a common future."
 
^^Those are nice platitudes from a very small group of people, but that is not the majority opinion of the entire community in the St. Cloud area,or in Minneapolis. There are REAL and ONGOING, very serious problems in the somali refugee communities in Minneapolis, as well as St. Cloud. We simply cannot strap on a mask of political correctness and "pretend" that all is well, *advertiser censored* ba yah, etc, we just need more tolerance and "unity".

We must be brave enough to address the problems in these communities of refugees with honesty, and truthfulness. And we must, IMO, do all we can to prevent a reckless and irresponsible similar "refugee influx" in the future. We must learn from the mistakes made in the past. We cannot allow the federal government to pay any church based nonprofit in excess of $2500 a head to drop off un-vetted refugees from third world countries in our communities, that they have no intention of assertively supporting or assimilating. IMO. The costs to the communities who are "forced" to "host" these groups are astronomical, in civic expenditures, and in the costs to safe and orderly society, and they simply do not ever assimilate well at all to western culture, over generations. It is a huge, huge problem-- it is the elephant in the room that liberals demand can never be spoken of. We must ignore the problems and pretend all is well, *advertiser censored* ba yah.

And we MUST speak plainly about the problems, not cower and coddle and pretend. We have to reject the idea that admitting the very serious problems in these populations of "forced-relocation refugees", and working to solve the numerous and very serious problems, is "xenophobia" or "islamophobia". Our very lives depend on getting this right. We can help these refugees WITHOUT bringing them HERE. No more than I would ever want a bunch of North Dakota midwest "refugees" to be forcibly shipped to Saudi Arabia or Syria, or anywhere else in the middle east, and expect them to "settle in" and "assimilate" to a wahabi or salafi islamic culture. There is a reason the ottoman empire fell-- the western and islamic cultures were terminally incompatible. Those who do not study and learn from history are doomed to repeat it. IMO.

And in other mall stabbing news:

The FBI is trying to crack another locked iPhone

The FBI is squaring off against another locked iPhone, as first reported by Wired. The phone belongs to Dahir Adan, a private security firm employee who stabbed 10 people at a Minnesota mall this September. Adan was shot and killed by police during the attack, but FBI agents are looking to his phone for clues as to his motives and whether he might have communicated with ISIS representatives prior to the attack.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/7/13199506/fbi-locked-iphone-encryption-dahir-adan
 
I imagine the same was said of all refugees over the course of time. The Natives still kick themselves for being nice to the whites that came.
 
St. Cloud Mall Stabbing Suspect was Also Suspect in Hit-and-Run Involving Bicyclist

A pair of eyeglasses helped piece together information about where the suspect of the St. Cloud mall stabbings was in the moments leading up to the attack.

According to a police report, a pair of eyeglasses was found lodged in the windshield-area of Adan’s car.

A bicyclist told police that he had been the victim of a hit-and-run near the mall and had lost his glasses at the scene. The victim described the pair of glasses, and it matched the description of the glasses found on Adan’s vehicle.

http://www.wdaz.com/news/minnesota/...uspect-was-also-suspect-hit-and-run-involving

Bicyclist is lucky to be alive.
 
Update a few days ago on the FBI investigation into Dahir Adan, the St. Cloud Mall stabbing terrorist. The attack was premeditated, and Adan was "recently" radicalized. Officer Jason Falconer will not face any charges or discipline (letter from county attorney at link). Surveillance video of stabbings at link, also.

According to FBI Special Agent Rick Thornton, searches of Adan's electronic communication and social media accounts are underway.

Thornton said evidence uncovered by investigators suggests the attack was premeditated and that Adan may have become recently radicalized. Thornton said Adan took interest recently in Islam, withdrew from his friends and encouraged his sisters to be more religious.

Thornton also said that Adan went from being a high academic performer to failing out of college "almost overnight" after taking an increased interest in Islam.

http://kstp.com/news/officials-upda...r-mall-stabbing-attack-investigation/4283688/

Investigators say it appears Dahir Adan planned the attack in advance. They say he called his boss on Sept. 17 saying he wouldn’t be working that night. Then, he grabbed two steak knives and drove about a mile and a half to the Crossroads Mall.

The FBI also shared some of what they’ve learned about Adan in the months prior to the stabbings. They say he’d not previously shown an interest in religion, but suddenly wanted to know more about Islam. He stopped playing sports and video games with his friends and lost a significant amount of weight.

“He went from being an excellent student with a high GPA to flunking out of college almost overnight,” FBI Special Agent Richard Thornton said. “Some of this friends noticed — he would become agitated at things which in the past would not have bothered him.

The FBI says a rumor that Adan was provoked by someone just prior to the attack is not true, but there is compelling evidence the attack was premeditated.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/10/06/st-cloud-mall-stabbing-update/

Interesting. And yet, not a single person who knew him, or lived with him, had any "inkling" that he was becoming radicalized? Are we really supposed to believe that? Not a single one staged any kind of intervention with him, or contacted any authorities? Despite all of the "education and training" in the Somali communities and mosques as to how to recognize islamic radicalization, especially among young men?

This kid was a poster child for "successful" Somali resettlements in the midwest? SMH.

This was entirely predictable, and PREVENTABLE, IMO. We have a very, very serious problem, and we must get a handle on solving it. And it MUST include the full cooperation and participation of the Somali community in identifying radicalizing individuals.
 

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