Nancy Grace 9/16/09.

[CeeKer]

The only thing I can say about this latest NG........I don't think it was necessary.

I like to see anything that keeps Haleigh in the forefront of the National news, even if the only result is that RC gets vilified and blasted for every word he utters. His face brings attention to the case, how can that not be necessary. Maybe the attention will bring in some tip to finding Haleigh, where ever that may be.

 

[elle1919]

Why? He's taken a LE poly. They've moved him to the bottom of the list... They called Misty back for additional Poly(s) but not Ron IRRC. So I would assume that could be a reason NG didn't ask a question that I would think has a logical, simple answer IMO anyway.

If he has taken just the one poly then that is not enough in my opinion. If it is accurate that there are new investigators going over this case with a fine tooth comb then a test, administered by a different examiner and analyzed by a different specialist trained in that field should be offered to him and anyone else that needs to be crossed of the suspect list. In my opinion, anyone that was in Haleigh's life in the 30 days leading up to her disappearance should be offered the chance to remove themselves from the "suspect list". We know they have a list because they refer to it.

 

[elle1919]

The only thing I can say about this latest NG........I don't think it was necessary.

because you think we have learned all we need to know about Haleigh's disappearance? Anything, in my opinion, is necessary. Until Haleigh is found everything is necessary.

maybe you were being sarcastic about your observation if you were I apologize.

 

[Malesherbes]

Why? He's taken a LE poly. They've moved him to the bottom of the list... They called Misty back for additional Poly(s) but not Ron IRRC. So I would assume that could be a reason NG didn't ask a question that I would think has a logical, simple answer IMO anyway.

If he is so iron clad he shouldnt even be on a list-

Nancy only had like 5 minutes with Ron, so I assume that would be the reason NG didn't ask anything about a poly- I cant tell by looking at her she knows Ron is into this up to his eyeballs, its actually a fascinating case study to watch someone like Ron go about thinking he can fool everyone, and is smarter than everyone else-

Loved how Ron called Croslin Jr Thomas, lol.

jmo

 

[CeeKer]

If he has taken just the one poly then that is not enough in my opinion. If it is accurate that there are new investigators going over this case with a fine tooth comb then a test, administered by a different examiner and analyzed by a different specialist trained in that field should be offered to him and anyone else that needs to be crossed of the suspect list. In my opinion, anyone that was in Haleigh's life in the 30 days leading up to her disappearance should be offered the chance to remove themselves from the "suspect list". We know they have a list because they refer to it.

Actually I don't have a problem with RC's one Poly as much as I do have a problem with the fact that the original investigators failed to poly almost all of those that were in Haleigh's life for the 30 days before even ONE time... especially the members of the Croslin family that were in that house that night and were among the last to see her after the AC guy and GGS. They should have polyed anyone (not excluding anyone at all) with DNA in that house... since no stranger DNA was found**... it would have been logical to me and I don't understand why it wasn't done.

**I mispoke, I am concluding that about the DNA, don't know it for fact, I based it on the course of the investigation

 

[elle1919]

OT - I think we were getting somewhere but I have to take my oldest to the doctor. She works in retail and has been under the weather for a while now. Everyone around us has H1N1 so say a prayer that she hasn't caught it. I have an auto-immune disorder and it could do me in....lol.

 

[Dee10]

Why? He's taken a LE poly. They've moved him to the bottom of the list... They called Misty back for additional Poly(s) but not Ron IRRC. So I would assume that could be a reason NG didn't ask a question that I would think has a logical, simple answer IMO anyway.

I wasn't talking about a poly from LE, they won't give the results so that doesn't help take the suspicion off of Ron, sorry I should have made that clear.

 

[elle1919]

Actually I don't have a problem with RC's one Poly as much as I do have a problem with the fact that the original investigators failed to poly almost all of those that were in Haleigh's life for the 30 days before even ONE time... especially the members of the Croslin family that were in that house that night and were among the last to see her after the AC guy and GGS. They should have polyed anyone (not excluding anyone at all) with DNA in that house... since no stranger DNA was found... it would have been logical to me and I don't understand why it wasn't done.

we don't know who they poly'd unless the one tested tells us they were tested. But since they now appear to be working from a list they need to take the appropriate measures to start removing people from that list. Whatever is "necessary".

 

[CeeKer]

If he is so iron clad he shouldnt even be on a list-

Nancy only had like 5 minutes with Ron, so I assume that would be the reason NG didn't ask anything about a poly- I cant tell by looking at her she knows Ron is into this up to his eyeballs, its actually a fascinating case study to watch someone like Ron go about thinking he can fool everyone, and is smarter than everyone else-

Loved how Ron called Croslin Jr Thomas, lol.

jmo

Iron clad? Did I say that? I don't think so, I think and type more in "gray" terms LOL. LE has made it clear that everyone is on the list except the AC guy pretty much. I don't have a problem with that at all. RC is at the bottom. That says something to me logically, until I get more facts anyway.

I also said "could be a reason" when talking about why she didn't ask him that, I didn't say there couldn't be others such as a lack of time.

 

[CeeKer]

we don't know who they poly'd unless the one tested tells us they were tested. But since they now appear to be working from a list they need to take the appropriate measures to start removing people from that list. Whatever is "necessary".

Well Tommy's father saying the below as he was being led away indicated to me anyway that he had never been polyed but I could be wrong.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say the polygraph and voice analysis sessions led them to bring the family members in. Tommy Croslin`s father says his son told investigators he`d even take a polygraph as he was led away.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/31/ng.01.html

 

[Lexington]

If he is so iron clad he shouldnt even be on a list-

Nancy only had like 5 minutes with Ron, so I assume that would be the reason NG didn't ask anything about a poly- I cant tell by looking at her she knows Ron is into this up to his eyeballs, its actually a fascinating case study to watch someone like Ron go about thinking he can fool everyone, and is smarter than everyone else-

Loved how Ron called Croslin Jr Thomas, lol.

jmo

I think that his arrogant attitude from his earlier interviews has been somewhat corrected. He has lost the smirk and the defiant upward tilt of his chin. He might be getting just a tad nervous about his abilities.

 

[CeeKer]

I wasn't talking about a poly from LE, they won't give the results so that doesn't help take the suspicion off of Ron, sorry I should have made that clear.

True LE won't give out their results but logically, to me anyway, it certainly could lessen suspicion of RC taken in conjunction with the facts that LE didn't see the need to repolyed him, clearly said he was at work per AH, and have moved him to the bottom of the list at this late date... not further UP the list.

 

[Muffet]

Re: My BBM of the first "text" definition

Although I realize some people believe RC has something directly/indirectly to do with his daughter being missing (and the operative word is "believe" until we have "facts") ... If he truly doesn't know what happened, or what's in Misty's mind re hypnosis, or the Croslin's minds, how can he be expected to know the answers to questions he's asked when he isn't the person involved, or has no knowledge of the situation....IMO he may "avoid giving a definite answer or position" because he just plain doesn't know the definite answer... Not to mention every word he utters is put under a microscope...

He's not the Croslin's, he's not Misty, he's the father of a missing girl he loves dearly, on that he's spoken many times. IMO He comes across somewhat clueless to me because, until I have facts, I believe he is clueless.

And since I know the rebutal will be... he's in control of Misty, he should make her do more tests, etc. IMO Misty can hold her own and don't think for one minute RC controls her. I still believe Misty and RC's marriage is to keep her close or possibly to negate statutory rape charges that would have taken the focus off Haleigh, or because there is genuine affection there.

I also believe after watching NG for years that she has genuine affection for RC. True she is more careful after the Duckett case, but NG can't hide contempt even when she's being "careful". Case in point any time CS has been on her show... And I think she'd bite off her tongue before she closed an interview sending prayers specifically to a person she holds in contempt...

GRACE: Well, Ronald, as we say good night, I want you to know regardless, our thoughts and prayers are still with you and with Haleigh.


Just my opinion tho.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/16/ng.01.html

Hi, Ceeker.

My conclusion that he was being equivocal was based on several things posted. The same thing happened last time, when even Nancy Grace went off on Ron's lawyer for blowing smoke.

Even Kool Looks said she didn't feel NG was 100% satisfied with Ron's answers last night, and if they were anything like last time, I can see why. I'm sorry, but what I am hearing and reading in the transcripts is the definition of equivocation.

e.g., When Nancy asks about things like what he thinks about Misty pointing them to look for the rose, and he answers that he's just glad they're looking for Haleigh....

...When asked what he thinks about Misty's failing the poly, and he says he doesn't know anything, as he's not a polygrapher...
...and when Nancy got obviously frustrated and pushed it, asking him to admit he was concerned, he just said he was concerned about finding Haleigh... until his lawyer tried to rescue him. (That's when Nancy called him on BSing her, I believe.)


I'm sorry, answers like that are not due to ignorance, but blatantly avoiding the question, and whenever people equivocate, the obvious question to ask is, "why"?

I think the answer is found in the words of Tim Miller, the atty, and a few others who have said that what Ron says in private contradicts what he says in public.

We all have different opinions about why he does that, but the simple fact that he does do it validates the lack of trust most of us have had in him. We have sensed that we were being BSd through his words because they and his actions simply do not pass the smell test.

 

[Muffet]

OT - I think we were getting somewhere but I have to take my oldest to the doctor. She works in retail and has been under the weather for a while now. Everyone around us has H1N1 so say a prayer that she hasn't caught it. I have an auto-immune disorder and it could do me in....lol.

Good luck, elle.

 

[Indiana at Heart]

If he is so iron clad he shouldnt even be on a list-

Nancy only had like 5 minutes with Ron, so I assume that would be the reason NG didn't ask anything about a poly- I cant tell by looking at her she knows Ron is into this up to his eyeballs, its actually a fascinating case study to watch someone like Ron go about thinking he can fool everyone, and is smarter than everyone else-

Loved how Ron called Croslin Jr Thomas, lol.

jmo

Thomas is his middle name they just call him Tommy. My youngest son name is Timothy and we call him Timmy/Tim/TJ But when I'm upset with him I say Timothy!! LOL

 

[atherella]

This is just my opinion....that man in that Screen Cap looks hostile and very, very angry. I would be afraid to meet him in a dark alley.

I bet if someone took your child in the middle of the night from your home, you WOULD be angry.

I know I would be. And the words that came out of his mouth during the 911 call would be nothing compared to what would potentially come out of mine during the call I would have to make. Don't mess with a Mama Bear. And don't mess with Daddy's Little Girl.

 

[mck16]

Actually I don't have a problem with RC's one Poly as much as I do have a problem with the fact that the original investigators failed to poly almost all of those that were in Haleigh's life for the 30 days before even ONE time... especially the members of the Croslin family that were in that house that night and were among the last to see her after the AC guy and GGS. They should have polyed anyone (not excluding anyone at all) with DNA in that house... since no stranger DNA was found... it would have been logical to me and I don't understand why it wasn't done.[/QUOTE]


Where and when was it stated that no stranger DNA was found? I didn't know that. TIA

 

[tehcloser]

because you think we have learned all we need to know about Haleigh's disappearance? Anything, in my opinion, is necessary. Until Haleigh is found everything is necessary.

maybe you were being sarcastic about your observation if you were I apologize.

Yes it was sarcasm....and for the exact reason you stated, I thought his remarks about it not being necessary for Misty to take anymore tests was ludicrous. we have not learned anything...and he appears not to want to help.

 

[Flossie JMO]

JMO I think he would do anything to get HaLeigh back, anything within his power

 

[CeeKer]

Hi, Ceeker.

(respectfully snipped for space)

I'm sorry, answers like that are not due to ignorance, but blatantly avoiding the question, and whenever people equivocate, the obvious question to ask is, "why"?

I think the answer is found in the words of Tim Miller, the atty, and a few others who have said that what Ron says in private contradicts what he says in public.

We all have different opinions about why he does that, but the simple fact that he does do it validates the lack of trust most of us have had in him. We have sensed that we were being BSd through his words because they and his actions simply do not pass the smell test.

I guess my feeling on the "why" can be explained in a couple different ways. Ron doesn't owe interviewers on TV anything, and that could just be part of his personality, to keep things close to the vest, being annoyed by redundant questions that he was no answers to, or having been told by LE or attorneys not to say certain things, or saying things in the heat of the moment (like the first week) that he thought were true or was told and is just repeating but not clarifying it's hearsay that, etc. etc. I can see how on the surface some could view this with distrust. I tend not to until I get some indication that he was directly involved or is covering for Misty or himself.

Regarding what you said about Tim Miller saying in private he contradicts himself actually makes me believe in him a bit more. Everything that's come out from Cobra (keep your enemies close) to Tim Miller that he has supposedly said in "private", indicate he has a deep distrust of Misty. That's the contradiction. He appears like he believes her in public but doesn't really know what to believe... not that he doesn't give a crap about happened to his daughter or that he "did" something... nothing negative like that... just he doesn't know what to think about Misty. Most recently the stuff Tim said about the rat being a test to see how well Misty lies to police so RC can see if she lies easily to them makes me really think he doesn't know about her. If true anyway. Therefore, Ratgate doesn't make me think he's guilty of anything except trying to keep Misty close and get to the truth, even if it is by some convoluted way.

Hope this makes sense. I think I need coffee.