NH NH - Allenstown, Adult Female, 23-33, & 3 Children, under 11, Nov'85 & May'00 #3

[Hope32]

Don't know if it has been posted on here, but they have 2 photo's that they feel are from Marie Vaughn's Birthday. They are currently trying to identify the people in the pictures..
They aren't sure when or where these were taken, but have posted them on the Help ID Me FB page as well as 802UFNH




"Known aliases for the suspect include:

-Terry Peder Rasmussen

-Robert (Bob) T. Evans

-Curtis Mayo Kimball

-Jerry Edwards Gorman

-Gordon Curtis Jenson

-Lawrence William Vanner

The identities of the remaining victims found in Allenstown, NH, are Marlyse Honeychurch, Marie Vaughn and Sarah McWaters. They were last seen in La Puente California in November, 1978 with Terry Rasmussen. They have no known ties to Mississippi, and had no relationship to New Hampshire prior to them going missing."
Regional authorities seek assistance in cold case involving murder of unidentified child

 

[carbuff]

Came across this article and thought of a possible Rasmussen victim. I have not checked dates or researched anything to see if it fits with the timeline. They now know her name, but what happened to Kimberly Ann Funk? - WXXV News 25

She was found in 1991 and went unidentified for 30 years. MS - MS – Vancleave, Kimberly Ann Funk, WhtFem UP10335, 25-35, in heavy woods, Jan’91

Articles indicate Funk went missing in 1990, so while she could be a TR victim she can't be the remaining child's mother.

"What investigators do know is that Funk, who also went by the first name Star, left Houston, Texas, and headed to the Mississippi Gulf Coast some time between April and June 1990. Her brother confirmed she went missing in 1990."
They now know her name, but what happened to Kimberly Ann Funk? - WXXV News 25

 

[Stephen2016]

I've been trying to rule out this Girl ; Karri Ann Miguel from Sacaton Arizona Missing since April 4th 1979. Wanted to run this past this group Have been working this a little so far . Apparently isn't in the NAMUS db from what someone had told me.

 

[Alleykins]

I've been trying to rule out this Girl ; Karri Ann Miguel from Sacaton Arizona Missing since April 4th 1979. Wanted to run this past this group Have been working this a little so far . Apparently isn't in the NAMUS db from what someone had told me.

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Great find. One possible reason she isn't in any MP databases is she was found, and there wasn't any follow up in the news. The only real way to find out is to call the Sacaton PD and ask. But again, great find.

 

[Stephen2016]

Don't know if it has been posted on here, but they have 2 photo's that they feel are from Marie Vaughn's Birthday. They are currently trying to identify the people in the pictures..
They aren't sure when or where these were taken, but have posted them on the Help ID Me FB page as well as 802UFNH


The identities of the remaining victims found in Allenstown, NH, are Marlyse Honeychurch, Marie Vaughn and Sarah McWaters. They were last seen in La Puente California in November, 1978 with Terry Rasmussen. They have no known ties to Mississippi, and had no relationship to New Hampshire prior to them going missing."
Regional authorities seek assistance in cold case involving murder of unidentified child

Where those pictures were taken it's the same as in these pictures ...



That horse statue is in the pic of the b-party and you can see the cat in the picture with Marie , and Marlys and A guy. I'm not sure who the guy is . I think the birthday picture it's been said is Marie's 7th so that would be 1978 December. Marie was born 1971.

 

[Stephen2016]

Great find. One possible reason she isn't in any MP databases is she was found, and there wasn't any follow up in the news. The only real way to find out is to call the Sacaton PD and ask. But again, great find.

Yes I have a message into the Scanton PD .. they have a facebook page. I figured that also .. But in the article she had been missing for a week . So I kinda thought maybe unlikely that she had been found. Unless it was a parental abduction and had been returned. However also I can't seem to find any information on a Karri Ann Miguel ... At least not so far.

 

[Alleykins]

Yes I have a message into the Scanton PD .. they have a facebook page. I figured that also .. But in the article she had been missing for a week . So I kinda thought maybe unlikely that she had been found. Unless it was a parental abduction and had been returned. However also I can't seem to find any information on a Karri Ann Miguel ... At least not so far.

So you weren't able to find a follow up at all in newspapers.com?

 

[Stephen2016]

So you weren't able to find a follow up at all in newspapers.com?

Nothing from the search that I did... nor anything on Ancestry . But Doesn't mean there isn't anything .. I could of used the wrong search terms. .. Just started poking around.
Hoping LE will get back to me at least and let me know . That is if they know anything else.
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[Alleykins]

Here's hoping they still have the case file.

 

[Alleykins]

Without direction or more information, I've come to a stand still in searching for the MC's family, most likely due to my inexperience. However, there are great genealogical records out there for both the Mitchell and Livings family, which helped.
For those ancestors I was able to research, I haven't found any women who would fit the age range of being her mother who went missing or met an untimely death. I'm at the point where I believe the MC's mother may have survived her encounter with TPR and went on to live out her life without her daughter, for whatever reason.
I don't know what's going on behind the scenes for this case, but I hope it includes calling female relatives who are still alive who fit the criteria of being her mother, and asking the awkward, tough questions. This might also include reaching out any surviving relatives and asking them those questions instead, if she's passed.
I know no one wants to believe a mother would abandon or give up her child to TPR, but it is a possibility that's how the MC ended up with him. And then he could have spun a believable story about her disappearance, one convincing enough so her mother never went looking for her or verified the info, which appears to have been the case for Sarah's father.
There's also a chance we might find the MC's family, even a close relative like a sibling or aunt, and they still might not know who she was. That happened to a news anchor when he went searching for his maternal grandmother. They narrowed it down to 4 sisters, and not one of their surviving relatives even had an inkling one of them had a child and gave it up for adoption.
I hope I'm wrong about not being able to get her name back, and my meager attempt at research shouldn't be an indicator, but there is that possibility, sadly.
And I will keep dabbling in this case until we hear she's been ID'd, because her ancestry is fascinating.

 

[Laughing]

I know no one wants to believe a mother would abandon or give up her child to TPR, but it is a possibility that's how the MC ended up with him.

And I will keep dabbling in this case until we hear she's been ID'd, because her ancestry is fascinating.

rsbm

If the mother happened to be incarcerated, this could happen. She might feel that her child was safe (or safe enough) and that TPR was a better option than foster care?

I think that if the mother had to travel somewhere briefly -- family funeral for instance -- she would have raised a ruckus about her missing child when she returned & couldn't find them.

If she was gone for 7 - 10 years, or even 7 - 10 months, maybe not?

She might not want her family of origin to know the whole story.

Just a guess!

I don't remember if Suzanne Sevakis' mother looked for her & Floyd?

Identified! - OK - Oklahoma City, 'Sharon Marshall' 8UFOK, Apr'90 - Suzanne Sevakis


(We ought to get together & write novels imho.)

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[Alleykins]

@Laughing

A while back, I listed a few possible scenarios as to what might have happened to the MC's mother, including incarceration at the time she went missing, possibly for a long time, and lost track of her. She could still be alive and in prison.

There are so many scenarios, in addition to a missing person or an untimely demise, that could explain how the MC's mother/family lost track of her.

 

[Susikatze]

TPR is still the father and since MCs mom likely had no idea about TPR multiple identities, she may have just left the child with the father. Especially as he was in a new relationship with a woman with two small kids it might have looked like the most stable setup for MCs mom.
MC may have been the result of a brief relationship and unwanted and her mom could have had all sorts of problems herself. She may really have thought MC is most safe in TPRs new family.

 

[Alleykins]

In 1978, TPR used his real name at Thanksgiving with Marlyse's family, per her sister. He was in NH sometime in 1979 using the name of Robert Evans. I'm thinking there's a good chance the MC's mother knew him as TPR also, and not by any alias. This would have made it difficult to locate him.
We also don't know if the MC's mother met Marlyse, and her family doesn't recall TPR having a child with him over the holiday. However, you make a good point. Her mother would probably have been amenable for the MC going off with him if he had a girlfriend with kids. It would have given them the appearance of stability and normalcy, a false sense of security.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

In 1978, TPR used his real name at Thanksgiving with Marlyse's family, per her sister. He was in NH sometime in 1979 using the name of Robert Evans. I'm thinking there's a good chance the MC's mother knew him as TPR also, and not by any alias. This would have made it difficult to locate him.
We also don't know if the MC's mother met Marlyse, and her family doesn't recall TPR having a child with him over the holiday. However, you make a good point. Her mother would probably have been amenable for the MC going off with him if he had a girlfriend with kids. It would have given them the appearance of stability and normalcy, a false sense of security.

I have thought the same, we can't assume she is deceased, but there are ways that would make more sense.

I'm also seriously thinking that perhaps the MC's mom or grandma is an NPE or something. Someone who won't show up on any trees. Otherwise, it seems like by now somebody would have stood out, whether through DNA or circumstances and we'd already know?

 

[Springrain]

Don't know if it has been posted on here, but they have 2 photo's that they feel are from Marie Vaughn's Birthday. They are currently trying to identify the people in the pictures..
They aren't sure when or where these were taken, but have posted them on the Help ID Me FB page as well as 802UFNH




"Known aliases for the suspect include:

-Terry Peder Rasmussen

-Robert (Bob) T. Evans

-Curtis Mayo Kimball

-Jerry Edwards Gorman

-Gordon Curtis Jenson

-Lawrence William Vanner

The identities of the remaining victims found in Allenstown, NH, are Marlyse Honeychurch, Marie Vaughn and Sarah McWaters. They were last seen in La Puente California in November, 1978 with Terry Rasmussen. They have no known ties to Mississippi, and had no relationship to New Hampshire prior to them going missing."
Regional authorities seek assistance in cold case involving murder of unidentified child

Can someone clear this up for me? I understand that they're trying to ID everyone in these pics, and might think one of the little girls is MC, but do they have any idea which? I didn't get that from the article, but if they do I'd like to know. My best guess would be the little girl to the left (our right) of Marie in the pic of her blowing out the candles. But I have no idea, and I think MC probably had more white ancestry than that little girl.

I don't know what's going on behind the scenes for this case, but I hope it includes calling female relatives who are still alive who fit the criteria of being her mother, and asking the awkward, tough questions. This might also include reaching out any surviving relatives and asking them those questions instead, if she's passed.
I know no one wants to believe a mother would abandon or give up her child to TPR, but it is a possibility that's how the MC ended up with him. And then he could have spun a believable story about her disappearance, one convincing enough so her mother never went looking for her or verified the info, which appears to have been the case for Sarah's father.

RSBBM

IMO, that's the most likely and least horrible explanation (in terms of more murder victims - if MC's mom didn't willingly give Terry her daughter and he kidnapped her, she was more than likely murdered by him so he could take her). If she had personal issues (i.e. poverty, addiction, mental health issues, anything, really) and she felt that her parenting skills were hindered by them, she may have thought leaving her daughter with her dad was the best thing, or she could have went to prison and returned to see Terry and her daughter had disappeared, and may have just figured they moved somewhere and were OK. If she didn't willingly give up her daughter she may have met a tragic fate like Marlyse and her daughters. Or, I suppose it could have been a simple custodial kidnapping without murder, but I don't think that fits the situation. But either way, I do think the mother leaving her daughter with Terry would probably have the least terrible outcome for the mother and lead to more opportunity to find her alive.

 

[UnlicensedPI]

I have thought the same, we can't assume she is deceased, but there are ways that would make more sense.

I'm also seriously thinking that perhaps the MC's mom or grandma is an NPE or something. Someone who won't show up on any trees. Otherwise, it seems like by now somebody would have stood out, whether through DNA or circumstances and we'd already know?

I was wondering about a NPE as well. It would explain the seemingly missing maternal line!

 

[carbuff]

What's an NPE?

 

[Alleykins]

I have thought the same, we can't assume she is deceased, but there are ways that would make more sense.

I'm also seriously thinking that perhaps the MC's mom or grandma is an NPE or something. Someone who won't show up on any trees. Otherwise, it seems like by now somebody would have stood out, whether through DNA or circumstances and we'd already know?

Do you know if they've released any more information about the MC's maternal line? I would really love to know if there are any other surnames, ones that I keep seeing over and over, that share a significant relationship with her, too, in addition to Livings & Mitchell.

 

[Laughing]

What's an NPE?

Non-paternity event

The person may not fit into a family tree because they are a half-sib instead of the expected full sib. Using this type of genetic genealogy, the software may consider the subject a cousin instead of a child or sibling.

Genealogy -- the hobby that confuses the dead, and irritates the living.

(Wanna know where my ancestors voted in the 1600's? Wanna know where my ancestors were baptized & married & buried? Wanna know what each one did during the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, the Spanish-American War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Viet Nam? Wanna know which one gave his share of the family fortune to Bob Jones, who then did NOT name a university after him? Wanna know which ones completely disappeared? Yeah, probably not. Good call on your part, I could talk all night.)

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