NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #8

[MistyWaters]

Wynn Resorts CEO Steve Wynn said mass shooter......

“The fellow who did the shooting had been a customer since 2006; that’s when we first picked him up on our records,” Wynn said. “He was a player with a modest budget. The last three years he was coming here frequently with his lady friend.”

“I had a chance to interview our employees who knew him,” he continued. “He played at the $20,000-$30,000 level. He was a winner at Mandalay Bay but a loser at our place over the six to eight years here. He didn’t meet the profile of a problem gambler. He was a very controlled person. … They were the most vanilla, unexciting, totally typical couple that has ever walked in this building. When I interviewed employees who knew him, they were stunned.”......

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/oct/26/wynn-shooter-paddock-was-unremarkable-customer/

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Just my present theory, it's quite simple - SP was a chronically obsessed gambling addict as by all accounts, his entire essence was focused on gambling.

His shooting into the crowd represented his outright rage toward LV in general because he was no longer winning everywhere, or as much or as often.

 

[CARIIS]

Tucker segment -- it's a 700 mile drive .


When they remove a bullet fragment do they need stitches??

I get legally that authorities could not prevent him from going --but if I had made plans prior to be shot in my leg by a machine gun like assault weapon -- I would cancel my vacation family visit.

For pain reasons alone - but I am a baby !!

He left on the 6th - lets say 4 hour drive and left about 36 hours later. (returned on the 8th)

Does that sound typical - 8 hours of driving to have two breakfasts, one lunch, and a couple of dinners with family and a four hour drive back?

Understandably he had been having trouble sleeping .

With bullet stuff in your one of your extremities ........

After being involved in the biggest mass shooting in history

being exhausted but feeling up to all that??

Sounds IMO more like a"task" oriented visit , just speculating -- ie get or leave something

If one is afraid of threats, and have free accommodations at a 5 star resort, would you leave the other people staying at your residence behind? How would anyone know who was inside -- I would think those other people who were left there might be danger as well no?


[video=youtube;3wcGeinbenE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wcGeinbenE[/video]

 

[bluesneakers]

Tucker segment -- it's a 700 mile drive .

When they remove a bullet fragment do they need stitches??

I get legally that authorities could not prevent him from going --but if I had made plans prior to be shot in my leg by a machine gun like assault weapon -- I would cancel my vacation family visit.

For pain reasons alone - but I am a baby !!

Tucker says 700 miles round trip, but how does he know where in Mexico JC went?

I can understand going and wanting to be with loved ones after something so traumatic. It makes sense to me and since he came back I don't understand what the big deal is. What am I missing?

 

[MistyWaters]

A bizarre story about obsession from 2007. The contest started at midnight and SP was sitting there to reserve his machine even when guy who was the early bird arrived, so that's in addition to his solid 24 hours of playing.

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"Stephen Paddock wanted to win and, like any savvy video poker player, knew which machine to lock down at Mandalay Bay.

There was only one in the casino — a Jacks-or-better 9-6 machine, meaning it paid 9-to-1 credits on the full house and 6-1 on the flush and offered the casino only a slim advantage. Mandalay Bay was having a contest for a $100,000 drawing and players, based on the amount of their play the next day, would get tickets to enter.

He got ready to work.

David Walton, a video poker playing pro, headed down to the casino floor early to nab the good machine.

There sat Paddock. Not playing it. Just sitting there. Waiting.

Walton settled into the machine next to him — not one with as generous a payout schedule — and waited for midnight. When it struck, Paddock hit the machine lightning quick, going at a rate of $120,000 per hour. He barely spoke.

Walton said Paddock played 24 hours straight that day in 2007. Before the drawing, Walton wandered over to look at the 4-foot-by-4-foot drum holding all the tickets to the drawing to size up his chances at the $100,000.

Those hopes were diminishing quickly.

“Every ticket on there I saw through the mesh said ‘Stephen Paddock. Stephen Paddock. Stephen Paddock,’” Walton said.

“He won.”

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-gambler-20171009-story.html

 

[CARIIS]

Tucker says 700 miles round trip, but how does he know where in Mexico JC went?

I can understand going and wanting to be with loved ones after something so traumatic. It makes sense to me and since he came back I don't understand what the big deal is. What am I missing?

I dont think it is a big deal !!

I would be influenced by pain?

What if I needed medical help and I am in the middle of somewhere

I think moo I would prefer to try and sleep

Would one suspect that a doctor would think it was not so wise to go on road trip .

Or

going and staying for a while to recoup down there.

Your in pain, you have to walk around to pack, go get the rental car (which these days can be a hassle!)

Like I said tho I am a baby -

I hate driving even if I had not been , allegedly, shot at ,by 200 bullets whizzing by me, surgery, insomnia, PTSD symptoms.

jmo

 

[MistyWaters]

Tucker segment -- it's a 700 mile drive .


When they remove a bullet fragment do they need stitches??

I get legally that authorities could not prevent him from going --but if I had made plans prior to be shot in my leg by a machine gun like assault weapon -- I would cancel my vacation family visit.

For pain reasons alone - but I am a baby !!

He left on the 6th - lets say 4 hour drive and left about 36 hours later. (returned on the 8th)

Does that sound typical - 8 hours of driving to have two breakfasts, one lunch, and a couple of dinners with family and a four hour drive back?

Understandably he had been having trouble sleeping .

With bullet stuff in your one of your extremities ........

After being involved in the biggest mass shooting in history

being exhausted but feeling up to all that??

Sounds IMO more like a"task" oriented visit , just speculating -- ie get or leave something

If one is afraid of threats, and have free accommodations at a 5 star resort, would you leave the other people staying at your residence behind? How would anyone know who was inside -- I would think those other people who were left there might be danger as well no?


[video=youtube;3wcGeinbenE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wcGeinbenE[/video]

The Union guy said JC had two bullet fragments in his leg, one was removed prior to his trip to Mexico. He also knew of the trip so there goes the theory of SP sneaking out of the country.

I also thought it interesting he clarified JCs job to be a Security Officer even though it's been continually reported that JC was a Security Guard. The job description of a MB Security Officer can be found on the internet and it's a far more junior role compared to the perception of "guard" duties.

 

[JaneEyre]

Tucker segment -- it's a 700 mile drive .


When they remove a bullet fragment do they need stitches??

I get legally that authorities could not prevent him from going --but if I had made plans prior to be shot in my leg by a machine gun like assault weapon -- I would cancel my vacation family visit.

For pain reasons alone - but I am a baby !!

He left on the 6th - lets say 4 hour drive and left about 36 hours later. (returned on the 8th)

Does that sound typical - 8 hours of driving to have two breakfasts, one lunch, and a couple of dinners with family and a four hour drive back?

Understandably he had been having trouble sleeping .

With bullet stuff in your one of your extremities ........

After being involved in the biggest mass shooting in history

being exhausted but feeling up to all that??

Sounds IMO more like a"task" oriented visit , just speculating -- ie get or leave something

If one is afraid of threats, and have free accommodations at a 5 star resort, would you leave the other people staying at your residence behind? How would anyone know who was inside -- I would think those other people who were left there might be danger as well no?


[video=youtube;3wcGeinbenE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wcGeinbenE[/video]

I thought you first mentioned a 500 mile drive. In any case, I assume he has family/friends there. Having family that distance from me, I have actually made day trips like that. Also, not having been shot, but having had multiple surgeries before, I have nearly always been up and around within a couple of days. This appears to have been about 4 days later? When I had my first abdominal surgery with 3 incisions on a Friday, I was climbing the hill to get to my classes by Monday with no problems or pain, and then went to work that afternoon. The only time I have been down longer for surgery is when they pulled bad discs out of my neck and put titanium in place. So out of 6 surgeries, multiple broken bones, lots of stitches in my life - yeah, I can imagine this with no problem. He's 25, right? It's amazing what a 25 year old body can tolerate.

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[JaneEyre]

I dont think it is a big deal !!

I would be influenced by pain?

What if I needed medical help and I am in the middle of somewhere

I think moo I would prefer to try and sleep

Would one suspect that a doctor would think it was not so wise to go on road trip .

Or

going and staying for a while to recoup down there.

Your in pain, you have to walk around to pack, go get the rental car (which these days can be a hassle!)

Like I said tho I am a baby -

I hate driving even if I had not been , allegedly, shot at ,by 200 bullets whizzing by me, surgery, insomnia, PTSD symptoms.

jmo

I would probably not want to sleep. Being confined indoors and sleeping a lot can make depression worse, and while I don't know for a fact that he was getting depressed, I assume he was having a lot going on emotionally. He could have been restless. A lot of people drive to get their minds right. I used to do that a lot. And I doubt the pain was at excruciating levels 4 days later.

Incidentally, I have a friend who once drove from the east coast to visit family in Central KY with a full leg cast. I have no idea how or why she did it. But I suspected she needed to get away that badly.

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[JaneEyre]

I thought you first mentioned a 500 mile drive. In any case, I assume he has family/friends there. Having family that distance from me, I have actually made day trips like that. Also, not having been shot, but having had multiple surgeries before, I have nearly always been up and around within a couple of days. This appears to have been about 4 days later? When I had my first abdominal surgery with 3 incisions on a Friday, I was climbing the hill to get to my classes by Monday with no problems or pain, and then went to work that afternoon. The only time I have been down longer for surgery is when they pulled bad discs out of my neck and put titanium in place. So out of 6 surgeries, multiple broken bones, lots of stitches in my life - yeah, I can imagine this with no problem. He's 25, right? It's amazing what a 25 year old body can tolerate.

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Oh, I once drove 500 miles with a broken tailbone. I admit that wasn't much fun, but it makes driving with a leg wound look like a cake walk to me.

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[Webbie16]

Is JC an American citizen? Dual citizen?

According to the California Birth Index JC was born in CA.

https://www.californiabirthindex.org/birth/jesus_angel_campos_born_1992_21249608

This also cleared up the confusion about his dual names/him using someone else's social security number debacle. Look at his mother's maiden name. That was the "other" name people were saying he was using.

 

[enelram]

Wynn Resorts CEO Steve Wynn said mass shooter......

“The fellow who did the shooting had been a customer since 2006; that’s when we first picked him up on our records,” Wynn said. “He was a player with a modest budget. The last three years he was coming here frequently with his lady friend.”

“I had a chance to interview our employees who knew him,” he continued. “He played at the $20,000-$30,000 level. He was a winner at Mandalay Bay but a loser at our place over the six to eight years here. He didn’t meet the profile of a problem gambler. He was a very controlled person. … They were the most vanilla, unexciting, totally typical couple that has ever walked in this building. When I interviewed employees who knew him, they were stunned.”......

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/oct/26/wynn-shooter-paddock-was-unremarkable-customer/

******
Just my present theory, it's quite simple - SP was a chronically obsessed gambling addict as by all accounts, his entire essence was focused on gambling.

His shooting into the crowd represented his outright rage toward LV in general because he was no longer winning everywhere, or as much or as often.

I agree with most of your theory but I'll add a few more details for my theory:

I believe SP had an addictive personality. My guess is that throughout his life he was obsessed with various things.
Based on the unusual lifestyle he was living, with reversed sleep/awake cycle, his brain was screwed up (see Circadian Rythmn), he started playing with cocaine as his upper of choice and his Valium as his downer to sleep.
He probably didn't eat well, maybe drank some, eventually got worn out and depressed. Depression in some men
comes out as ANGER. He was bored with his life and angry at the world.

 

[Gooddeeds]

I dont think it is a big deal !!

I would be influenced by pain?

What if I needed medical help and I am in the middle of somewhere

I think moo I would prefer to try and sleep

Would one suspect that a doctor would think it was not so wise to go on road trip .

Or

going and staying for a while to recoup down there.

Your in pain, you have to walk around to pack, go get the rental car (which these days can be a hassle!)

Like I said tho I am a baby -

I hate driving even if I had not been , allegedly, shot at ,by 200 bullets whizzing by me, surgery, insomnia, PTSD symptoms.

jmo

-Cariis, a lot of activity going on since I last looked. Do you have these dates handy for JC? When he left-returned-FBI interview-mtg at hotel with Union/mgm-Ellen? I’m on my mobile, otherwise I would dig. TIA

 

[Gooddeeds]

According to the California Birth Index JC was born in CA.

https://www.californiabirthindex.org/birth/jesus_angel_campos_born_1992_21249608

This also cleared up the confusion about his dual names/him using someone else's social security number debacle. Look at his mother's maiden name. That was the "other" name people were saying he was using.

-not to add to any confusion but I thought the false report on two social security numbers was for ML? Was it JC? TIA

 

[bears10]

-not to add to any confusion but I thought the false report on two social security numbers was for ML? Was it JC? TIA

It was JC. Stated as fact by one of the wacko right wing journalists on Twitter.

 

[Webbie16]

-not to add to any confusion but I thought the false report on two social security numbers was for ML? Was it JC? TIA

It was JC. LauraL was the one posting about it. She said he was using a SSC for Jose A Quintero. If she would have taken ten seconds to look it up and done even 10 seconds more of research she would know that most spanish speaking countries use two last names, the father's and mother's. Easily dispelled.

 

[kittythehare]

It was JC. LauraL was the one posting about it. She said he was using a SSC for Jose A Quintero. If she would have taken ten seconds to look it up and done even 10 seconds more of research she would know that most spanish speaking countries use two last names, the father's and mother's. Easily dispelled.

Dispelling would have curbed her bullying though..

 

[MistyWaters]

I agree with most of your theory but I'll add a few more details for my theory:

I believe SP had an addictive personality. My guess is that throughout his life he was obsessed with various things.
Based on the unusual lifestyle he was living, with reversed sleep/awake cycle, his brain was screwed up (see Circadian Rythmn), he started playing with cocaine as his upper of choice and his Valium as his downer to sleep.
He probably didn't eat well, maybe drank some, eventually got worn out and depressed. Depression in some men
comes out as ANGER. He was bored with his life and angry at the world.

Yes all that is possible. Even if he wasn't a drug user, recent medical studies suggest chronic gambling addictions and drug addictions are similar, involving the same part of the brain and the highs of euphoria and lows of depression. Both can also result in totally unexpected behaviours such as theft, embezzlement or suicide, details that only immediate family or friends are aware of and don't get reported by media.

My opinion is the impacts of severe gambling addictions are far greater than the public is aware of. But as it's a lucrative business that benefits various levels of govt, it's not viewed as a public concern.

 

[kittythehare]

Yes all that is possible. Even if he wasn't a drug user, recent medical studies suggest chronic gambling addictions and drug addictions are similar, involving the same part of the brain and the highs of euphoria and lows of depression. Both can also result in totally unexpected behaviours such as theft, embezzlement or suicide, details that only immediate family or friends are aware of and don't get reported by media.

My opinion is the impacts of severe gambling addictions are far greater than the public is aware of. But as it's a lucrative business that benefits various levels of govt, it's not viewed as a public concern.

I think its a pretty major problem, worldwide and I agree its an addiction that takes absolutely everything away.
With Paddock, though I am seeing it more like an OCD manifestation..
Something he did in order to calm some aspect of his brain.. like a distraction type therapy.
Did he take pleasure in it or was he merely driven by some need to focus an aspect of his mind in an effort to forestall more unpleasant thoughts or memories..
Did he drive it or did the gambling drive him?
He was in excellent status with MB hotel and he had even been gambling on the weekend of the massacre..
I'm thinking now that he was a troubled man.. the gambling eased it for a time, perhaps.
But there is no indication he ever gambled in a frenzied way, as one does when in an addiction.
he gambled, he won, he lost- no big deal, either way.
He paid all his debts- casino debts, before he killed so many people..
His final action was not a gamble at all.
so many paradoxes... too many..

 

[MistyWaters]

I think its a pretty major problem, worldwide and I agree its an addiction that takes absolutely everything away.
With Paddock, though I am seeing it more like an OCD manifestation..
Something he did in order to calm some aspect of his brain.. like a distraction type therapy.
Did he take pleasure in it or was he merely driven by some need to focus an aspect of his mind in an effort to forestall more unpleasant thoughts or memories..
Did he drive it or did the gambling drive him?
He was in excellent status with MB hotel and he had even been gambling on the weekend of the massacre..
I'm thinking now that he was a troubled man.. the gambling eased it for a time, perhaps.
But there is no indication he ever gambled in a frenzied way, as one does when in an addiction.
he gambled, he won, he lost- no big deal, either way.
He paid all his debts- casino debts, before he killed so many people..
His final action was not a gamble at all.
so many paradoxes... too many..

Yes, so if he gambled to ease his troubles what exactly gave him solace - the gambling or was it the winning? I think it was the winning, the prestige, the distinction, the recognition "worlds greatest video poker player", etc.

So if his success at winning diminished, much like drug withdrawal, would that cause his troubles to surface?

Rumour only but I've noticed speculation that odds on video poker have been decreased over time. I also recall speculation that SP sold one of his houses (in 2016?) in order to finance his weapons. If so, that would indicate that he had run out of excess cash and was also at a point where he was selling assets to fund his gambling.

 

[WestieMom]

Yes, so if he gambled to ease his troubles what exactly gave him solace - the gambling or was it the winning? I think it was the winning, the prestige, the distinction, the recognition "worlds greatest video poker player", etc.

But if his success at winning diminished, much like drug withdrawal, would that cause his troubles to surface?

Rumour only but I've noticed speculation that odds on video poker have been decreased over time. I also recall speculation that SP sold one of his houses (in 2016?) in order to finance his weapons. If so, that would indicate that he had run out of excess cash and was also at a point where he was selling assets to fund his gambling.

The attention that comes with winning at gambling could be appealing. On a cruise I was on a few months ago, the guy next to me won a “big win” on video poker. 3 staff members were there hovering and confirming the win; writing “stuff” down and congratulating the winner. I talked about him for a few days and how envious I was.


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