NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #9

[internetgirl101]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/30/n...discarded-on-a-beach-one-that-doesnt-fit.html

"The little girl had lived, at most, 730 days or so. Someone had hidden her body in the thicket of branches and poison ivy off Ocean Parkway on the South Shore of Long Island. By the time the police discovered her on April 4, the remains had turned skeletal."

"While the other victims had clearly been murdered, Suffolk County officials said, the toddler’s body showed no sign of injury or trauma, and her death has not been classified as a homicide."

"A spokesman for the Suffolk County Police Department said that DNA tests had not yet been completed, and that if the tests did not lead to an identification, officials might seek the public’s help."

"One clue suggesting that the toddler’s parent or guardian was involved is the blanket. ...wrapping the toddler in a blanket suggested an emotional connection between the child and the person disposing of the body. The gesture itself was something a mother might do."

"It is not clear if the little girl was ever reported missing."

"At the site where she was found, the tangled and thorny branches stretch so high and thick that they form a kind of impenetrable wall...It is one of those forlorn places on the side of the road where bits of trash and car parts and license plates end up."

"The police cut a path into the brush and made a small clearing where the body was found: She appeared to have been laid on a patch of dirt about 50 steps from the edge of Ocean Parkway, at the foot of a thin tree, leafless and largely branchless."

 

[internetgirl101]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/guilt_consumes_shannan_ma_L3ymlquI9dex5D4JXxyVxM

"Mari Gilbert, Shannan's mother, said she spoke to her daughter six hours before her mysterious disappearance and believes the call girl argued with her driver over money, she told New York magazine."

 

[internetgirl101]

This is 8 pages long but it is a very good run down of everything that happened + a few bursts of info.

In the call to MB's sister the SK comments about her race calling her a half-breed. How would he know? MB told him? Photos?

ALC's sister admits that she too has posted her services on Craigslist and introduced Amber to the scene.

http://nymag.com/news/features/long-island-serial-killer-families-2011-6/


Didn't get to read the whole thing yet..

sorry for flooding this thread.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Thanks for sharing that great article from NY mag intergirl101! It is interesting to have the families perspectives. I feel so badly for them. That alleged call from PH to Shannon's mom is weird. I DO believe she received that call, I just wonder who made it.?

wm

 

[svpernin]

Thanks for sharing that great article from NY mag intergirl101! It is interesting to have the families perspectives. I feel so badly for them. That alleged call from PH to Shannon's mom is weird. I DO believe she received that call, I just wonder who made it.?

wm

Ahh, WM, where have you been? I feel like you haven't posted in ages! Missed ya. And thanks for the great post, internetgirl! Hope you all are enjoying your holiday.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Awww, spvernin, Thanks for missing me! I've had computer problems the past several weeks. I've missed you all and am glad to be back to posting!

wm

 

[Secret77]

This is 8 pages long but it is a very good run down of everything that happened + a few bursts of info.

http://nymag.com/news/features/long-island-serial-killer-families-2011-6/

This is probably the best article written about this case, and contains bits of information never available before. Some of the info confirms what some of us have been saying before, that LE completely ignored the victims' disappearance.
For example, it seems the finding of the 4 bodies was completely accidental:

Then, on December 11, just before the first snow of the season, a Suffolk County detective with a cadaver dog was on a training exercise on the side of the road in Gilgo Beach, three miles from Brewer’s house, when the dog turned up a set of bones.

Cann says the police have failed to take her sister’s case seriously, beginning with the first officer she spoke to. “Soon as I told him what she was doing up in Manhattan, it was like he didn’t care....

She tells me she got her sister’s e-mails, texts, and phone records herself, trying to retrace Maureen’s steps. ”

To one degree or another, all of the women have taken on the role of amateur homicide investigator. “It’s like a little detective crew,” Overstreet says. They talk about how many cell phones the women used; how calls on prepaid disposable phones are harder to trace; whether salt from the ocean corrodes human flesh quickly or acts as a preservative. They compare notes: Did all the girls have the same driver? Did the police show every family a photo of a man with a lazy eye? Searching the web, Cann has lurked in the online bulletin board for the gated community where Shannan was last seen and discovered the message board where anonymous johns had been threatening to take revenge on Amber months before the press found it.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I agree secret77! This is the most compelling and detailed article I have read on the case to this date. The family's of these girls know alot of facts about their sisters and daughters re: their lifestyles and IMO LE should consider this valuable information. I especially think Ms Overstreet has alot of insight into the world of escorting. Her input could prove valuable but I am afraid that LE will not listen to her because of the stigma of her admittedly being a *P*.

And how brave is that? When I think about it, I think she knows coming forth and admitting her involvement in the business is the best and safest thing she could do. She worries that she could have crossed paths with the killer but she just wasn't his type. (Ted Bundy had female friends/coworkers who he interacted with on a daily basis who were not suspicious of him!)

It must really worry the family members that this THING knows so much about those...the calls.....

Seven days after Melissa disappeared, the phone rang at Lynn’s home in Buffalo. The caller I.D. displayed the number of Melissa’s missing cell. Amanda picked up. The voice was self-assured. “Is this Melissa’s little sister?” he asked. “I hear you’re a half-breed.” Amanda’s father is black. Whoever was calling knew what Amanda looked like.



There were seven calls in all. Once, the caller seemed to toy with Amanda, asking if she knew what Melissa did for a living. Another time he said, “Are you gonna be a *advertiser censored* like your sister?” Police traced some of the calls to midtown Manhattan and another to Massapequa. In the last call, in August 2009, he told Amanda outright that he had killed Melissa. Lynn and Amanda started to worry that the caller knew where they lived. A short time later, they moved.


Then there's the call to one of the girl's bf regarding his tatoos on his back. Sorry I can't link right now...just had company come visit...will post more thought later.


MOO

wm

ETA add link

http://nymag.com/news/features/long-island-serial-killer-families-2011-6/index3.html

 

[Sillybilly]

from:
http://nymag.com/news/features/long-island-serial-killer-families-2011-6/

Once Pak dropped off Shannan at Brewer’s house, he says, he waited in the SUV, playing poker on his cell phone, while Shannan and Brewer were together. Another source reportedly saw the two leave the house once, in Brewer’s car, for about fifteen minutes.

<bbm>

The source was not MP, so either the "drifter" or a neighbour?

The four bodies&#8212;just skeletons with no clothing or jewelry, all of them wrapped in burlap&#8212;had been left roughly 500 feet apart from one another. They also were all deposited at exactly the same distance, 50 feet, from the edge of Ocean Parkway

<bbm>

I recall the 500 feet apart, but not the prior reference to exactly 50 feet from the edge of OP. This pretty much rules out that the bodies were brought in by boat from the sound to the north of OP. I think this also indicates the SK planned to revisit the bodies, otherwise the 500' spacing would be suffice for just driving past. The exact distance from OP smacks of the SK needing a precise co-ordinate to locate the bodies.

JMO

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

That was THE best article I have seen so far about the murders.

I updated the archive album too, and in the process the link has changed.

This is the Ocean Parkway Long Island Murders -NY- link:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Ocean Parkway Long Island Murders -NY-/

Please go and check it out.

It is organized by month. May 2011 is first, then back to Dec 2010. Each month is chronological.... so todays updates are about page 4-5.

 

[marie-chantal]

from:
http://nymag.com/news/features/long-island-serial-killer-families-2011-6/

<bbm>

The source was not MP, so either the "drifter" or a neighbour?


<bbm>

I recall the 500 feet apart, but not the prior reference to exactly 50 feet from the edge of OP. This pretty much rules out that the bodies were brought in by boat from the sound to the north of OP. I think this also indicates the SK planned to revisit the bodies, otherwise the 500' spacing would be suffice for just driving past. The exact distance from OP smacks of the SK needing a precise co-ordinate to locate the bodies.

JMO

BBM

IIRC, wasn't there another neighbor (a woman?) who didn't want to be named? Supposedly she either saw Shannan during the commotion when she was running from GC's, or Shannan came to her door. I think she shut the door on Shannan and wouldn't help her. Does anyone else remember reading this?

 

[goathairjones]

I think SG will be found in Manorville. I've been getting a weird feeling about this lately.

 

[marie-chantal]

I think SG will be found in Manorville. I've been getting a weird feeling about this lately.

Mind if I ask what makes you feel that way? Do you think SG could have been taken by whomever was killing the women in Manorville?

 

[minazoe]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/guilt_consumes_shannan_ma_L3ymlquI9dex5D4JXxyVxM

"Mari Gilbert, Shannan's mother, said she spoke to her daughter six hours before her mysterious disappearance and believes the call girl argued with her driver over money, she told New York magazine."

I told you so! she didn't have money for her driver.

 

[marie-chantal]

I told you so! she didn't have money for her driver.

I kind of got the impression from this article that the driver, Michael Pak may have driven some of the other girls (Amber?). Amber's sister left me with that impression, but I might just be reading too much into this.

 

[Sillybilly]

BBM

IIRC, wasn't there another neighbor (a woman?) who didn't want to be named? Supposedly she either saw Shannan during the commotion when she was running from GC's, or Shannan came to her door. I think she shut the door on Shannan and wouldn't help her. Does anyone else remember reading this?

I recall that also marie-chantal. While it MAY have been the same female witness, SG being at the woman's door, running from GC's, etc would have been AFTER SG and JB being seen in a vehicle together, gone 15 mins and only within the gated community.

 

[Sillybilly]

I told you so! she didn't have money for her driver.

Six hours prior to SG's disappearance would have been before she even arrived at JB's. Presumably, SG would have had $$ after her date with JB (although he says he didn't pay her ... which is prolly just covering his sorry butt re his illegal role as a john). IF JB really didn't pay, i'm sure both SG and MP would have been giving JB a big hassle over non-payment.

 

[Redbird]

BBM

IIRC, wasn't there another neighbor (a woman?) who didn't want to be named? Supposedly she either saw Shannan during the commotion when she was running from GC's, or Shannan came to her door. I think she shut the door on Shannan and wouldn't help her. Does anyone else remember reading this?

There was a neighbor, Susan Kane, across the street from Brewer that was one of the few neighbors willing to be interviewed on camera. I believe she mentioned Pak's SUV in front of Brewer's house, which discounted one of his stories that he waited outside the gate. She doesn't mention Shannan coming to her door. I have wondered if she might have been the person who saw Brewer moving something into a U-Haul in the middle of the night. There was another neighbor living on Anchor Way whose son was interviewed. I believe his mother said Shannan came to the door and she called 911 but Shannan ran away. Her son said they saw footprints in the sand.

The interview with Susan Kane is at the third photo down labeled "Shannan Gilbert's Disappearance: A Timeline" at the following link:

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...rompts-Safety-Tips-For-Escorts-119667424.html

 

[Theforeigner]

I feel like I am googling in circles, so I tried a different approach- I people searched "Mickey Mouse" since one of the phone numbers used (to call MB's boyfriend, Johnny T?) was registered to Mickey Mouse.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...g-island-serial-killer-victims-secret-life/2/

I used Spokeo. The first phone number/address was of interest to me since it's so close to where the bodies were found -Islip area?. So, googling the address, I come up with a name and I get all suspicious. But, then I wondered 'Why would someone hide their name under the alias Mickey Mouse but then give their address?' So, I moved on to the next Mickey Mouse, and then the next.. until I got to Mickey Mouse address 123 Disney Way. So obviously, the entries there aren't necessarily reliable. It seems like anyone can enter anything. I guess I was hoping for a slip up and that I would see a certain address registered to someone who's been in trouble with the law.
http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=mickey mouse#New York

But it IS so mind boggling that they can't catch this guy with all of technology used today, cameras and computers, and everything.


AND, on Spokeo.com I also searched "Peter H*****t" and in Manhattan there is a man by that name in his 50's registered to the Jane Hotel-a hotel? thought I'd throw that in there..


ALSO, from the link above, JT - MB's bf said that MB frequented Long Island specifically to see a john she was "chummy" with, and that he could point out the john's home. I wonder why they didn't take him there to point it out. He said they already knew about the guy. Maybe just a known harmless john that they weren't concerned with?


This is a quote from MB's mother about the phone(MB's phone?) from the same link: "It was only turned on when the guy would turn it on, when he made the phone calls. He would only keep it on for three minutes."


I'm not sure if the tattoos these women had have any significance to the case, but I believe MB's boyfriend's tattoo tells us something. He said the man on the phone knew he had tattoos on his back. This is the only thing I've heard that convinced me a tiny bit that the SK must have stalked and followed and watched the victims before he killed them, and saw MB and her bf JT from the back. Would JT have to have his shirt off in order for these tattoos to be seen? Are they visible if he is wearing a tank top? IMO, a better explanation would be that JT has driven MB to see this john(SK) and thats how he knows about his tattoos.


Has anyone found out any information on James Bond Entertainment, where MB worked as an escort? I can't find 1 thing about a "James Bond" escort service AT ALL.

Maybe there were pictures of MB's boyfriened including his tattoo's in MB's phone, the phone that the killer obviously had in his possession?

 

[goathairjones]

Mind if I ask what makes you feel that way? Do you think SG could have been taken by whomever was killing the women in Manorville?

Marie,

I just feel that her killer will want to send a message to LE that he is in control and he calls the shots.

Two areas where SCPD should be on high alert is the area around Gilgo and Manorville. By disposing of the body in Manorville, he sends a message to SCPD that he can operate right under their noses without getting caught.

I still hope that SG is alive, but I've just been getting these weird feelings that she will be found shortly in Manorville.