MP14069NamUs ruleouts as of July 2nd:
MP6796
Angela Westberry
12/01/1984
Duval
FL
MP5695
Karen Wilson
03/27/1985
Albany
NY
MP8281
Cynthia Perry
06/17/1985
Wake
NC
MP13118
Patricia McGill
05/15/1983
Collier
FL
MP20265
Valerie Smith
03/04/1981
Queens
NY
MP1232
Renee LaManna
01/08/1994
Cape May
NJ
MP8529
Priscilla McKee
03/26/1991
Virginia Beach
VA
MP6608
Cindy Rowles
08/16/1986
Ulster
NY
MP12212
Brenda Crowley
03/01/1979
Richmond
NY
MP7574
Sylvia Lwowski
09/06/1975
Richmond
NY
MP3070
Judith Brown
04/06/1977
Queens
NY
MP3166
Sandy Schlamann
03/15/1994
Orange
FL
MP30722
Tabbetha Worford
05/05/1990
Escambia
FL
MP7051
Amy Pagnac
08/05/1989
Hennepin
MN
MP4711
Andrea Durham
02/01/1990
Okaloosa
FL
MP6527
Tracy Pickett
08/12/1992
Jasper
MO
MP2484
Tracy Kroh
08/05/1989
Dauphin
PA
MP6974
Heide Wilbur
02/09/1991
Rutland
VT
MP5531
Tammie McCormick*
04/29/1986
Saratoga
NY
MP6429
Julie Moseley
12/23/1974
Tarrant
TX
MP8387
Penny McClees
02/16/1985
Arapahoe
CO
MP2493
Tracy King
07/08/1975
Adams
PA
MP8051
Judith O'Donnell
11/30/1980
New York
NY
MP5533
Denise Sheehy
07/07/1970
Queens
NY
*Tammie McCormick is listed twice.
MP14069
Doris Mulhern
March 5th, 1987
King
WA
has been added to the list of ruleouts per NamUs.
From Post #4 in this thread: “An International Ladies Garment Workers tag of a type sewn into clothing in 1988 was recovered with the victim.”The watch she was wearing is a Bulova. There's a date code in the back of Bulova watches. A 2 digit code. There a letter and a number. For instance, the letter L Means the decade 1950. Ah the code L6 Would mean 1956. The code on the back of her watch was obviously M (1960s) and the number 6 = 1966. Thus then knowing it's a 1966 Bulova. Typically those were made with what they called "rolled gold" cases. A base metal case with a little gold melted into it to give the appearance of real gold . So there we establish the 1966 date of the watch.
Back in the day in the 1960s, Bulova watches and Hamilton watches were usually gifted on birthdays , sweet 16 birthdays and even as a gift.
Being that the Skeletonized remains were found wrapped in a red rug, placed behind the wall, her arms and legs bound with an extension cord with panty hose wrapped around the neck is appalling. It's very possible that the killer worked on construction and was killed closer to the time of the date of the ring.
Plus the 1965 dime. I believe this date of 1965, and the 1966 watch is closer to the time she died. I believe the remains were placed in the rug in the killer's home until he had to move it. Then he found this place and went into the basement and put the remains there. Later they were exhumed upon the renovations of the building in 2003.
The ring could be a boyfriend's ring or nothing.
According to your research which is inclusive of all details and possible belongings of UID provided, you are saying date of death would not be after 1987? I’m trying to figure out the cap for the date.This has been posted before many years ago, but I’m still unclear why investigators say the clothing tag was produced in or after 1988.
I’ve attached an image of the clothing tag photo included on the doe network page. The photo shows the back of the International Ladies Garment Workers Union tag, which has a different logo - The National Coat and Suit Industry Recovery Board. The label with both of these logos (ILGWU on front, National Coat and Suit Industry Recovery Board on back) wasn’t introduced until 1960. From what I can find, this exact iteration of the logo shown in the image was produced from 1963-1974.
Union Made — Slow Notion
This coat bears the history of organized labor initiated by women in the garment industry on one tiny tag. Editorial resident Iris Aguilar thrifted the garment, and Vintage Detective Alex Stevens digs into its connections to the American labor movement.theslownotion.com
So here are the associated dates for this UID:
-1966 Bulova watch
-dime from either 1968 or 1969
-clothing tag produced between 1963-1974
-a brand of rat poison not marketed until 1979
Assuming all of these items are related (which, who really knows), then we’d be looking for a female who went missing in 1979 or later, not 1988 or later. Thoughts?
I've thought for a long long time that the 1995 date is way too late. Her belongings scream to me that she disappeared before 1985. The 25-year window for date of death based on the autopsy is so broad that it's hard to conclude anything useful.According to your research which is inclusive of all details and possible belongings of UID provided, you are saying date of death would not be after 1987? I’m trying to figure out the cap for the date.
ME has listed possible date of death 1970-1995 according to autopsy and rate of decomposition. Should we not be taking this into consideration?
You are thinking we should narrow the search from 1979 through but not including 1988, right?
According to your research which is inclusive of all details and possible belongings of UID provided, you are saying date of death would not be after 1987? I’m trying to figure out the cap for the date.
ME has listed possible date of death 1970-1995 according to autopsy and rate of decomposition. Should we not be taking this into consideration?
You are thinking we should narrow the search from 1979 through but not including 1988, right?
I’m not sure of a cap tbh. Initially they were saying that she couldn’t have died before 1988 because of the tag, and I think my post clarifies that. It seems as though they’ve widened the possible date of death back to 1970 which makes sense. I can’t find anything that places a definitive cap on the latest date she could have died, although I think based on the evidence found with her we can guess she died before 1988. Having said that, I wouldn’t necessarily not look at anyone who went missing after 1988 but I think she probably died earlierAccording to your research which is inclusive of all details and possible belongings of UID provided, you are saying date of death would not be after 1987? I’m trying to figure out the cap for the date.
ME has listed possible date of death 1970-1995 according to autopsy and rate of decomposition. Should we not be taking this into consideration?
You are thinking we should narrow the search from 1979 through but not including 1988, right?
I understand your thinking. But when you look at the scene where she was found after they sledgehammered that wall you'll see bones EVERYWHERE. Watch this video, the bones WEREN'T found neatly it was a cluster. You couldn't discriminate between bones and cement.Here’s something I’m wondering. I think the theory of her being killed circa 1970s (ish) before being transported to the basement and buried under “relatively fresh concrete” closer to the discovery date is plausible. If the remains were stored in the carpet/rug at another location from the time of death until they were moved here and buried, would the remains keep their shape for the most part? Meaning investigators would still be able to tell she had been hogtied? Exact wording: The killer had bound her hands and feet with an extension cord and circled it around her neck, then wrapped her body in a patch of rust-colored carpet.
Does that make sense? I would assume bones, among other things, would become dislodged and she’d not be in the form of a skeleton anymore. Even being wrapped in the carpet/rug. Especially if decades had passed.
This is the only thing that makes me think maybe she died later. I’m really not sure though.