findcarrie
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Everyone, you are invited to read this article if you have time.
http://www.cincypost.com/news/1997/baker091897.html
http://www.cincypost.com/news/1997/baker091897.html
Deceased/Not Found OH - Carrie Culberson, 22, Blanchester, 28 Aug 1996 - #1 *V. Doan guilty*
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FindCarrie: I understand what your saying about not responding without the backup of an article to support something and I for one respect that. What I was questioning to the VD supporters is was there any abuse and if so why wasn't it stopped. I wonder why the VD folks aren't responding to this request. I can't find anything in the news anywhere. Thanks though.
God Bless All. What I do not find right is for people to come on here and trash either side. I could only imagine how frustrating it must be for both sides. I myself see Debbie almost everyday (my babysitter lives next door to her), though I've never spoken to here directly you can totally see the pain the woman has/is living with. I do not think anyone has the right to call her or her family names, how dare someone do that. I'm not here to slam anyone, I am just disgusted with some of the things I have read. Please if you are not here to try and help find Carrie then go elsewhere. God Bless!
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This is most of the article from the link in the post above:
Prosecutor: Lies hid killing
By Michael Rutledge, Post staff reporter
Lawrence Baker not only threatened witnesses at his son's murder trial, he solicited someone to cut down the 30-foot blue spruce ''Angel Tree'' in the victim's front yard that marks her memory, Clinton County officials said Wednesday in seeking a high bond.
Baker's son, Vincent Doan, was convicted Aug. 7 of murdering his girlfriend, Carrie Culberson. Since that conviction, one witness has received so many threats that ''she got laid off because no one was willing to work with her,'' Assistant Prosecutor Rick Moyer told Common Pleas Judge William McCracken.
Prosecutors charge that Baker helped his son cover up the murder while providing him with an alibi.
Baker was in jail after bond was set at $105,000. Two charges of obstructing justice and another charge of tampering with evidence - all felonies - could bring Baker 15 years in prison.
Moyer sought a $200,000 bond for the leader of the family that prosecutors and witnesses portrayed as brutal and bent on intimidation.
''He wanted the Angel Tree cut down,'' Moyer told the judge.
Debra Culberson, mother of 22-year-old Clarissa Ann ''Carrie'' Culberson, was shaken at the new allegation. Because Carrie's body has not been found since her Aug. 28 disappearance, supporters have decorated the tree with angels and lights.
''That's destruction of private property, isn't it?'' Debra Culberson said. ''That's just people trying to remember Carrie.''
* * *
''It's as though they're trying to break the armor of the Baker family, or the Doan family,'' said attorney John Rion, who also represents Doan.
Rion also said he has been in daily contact with Doan's half-brother, Tracey Baker, a long-distance trucker the family said is still on the road.
Rion's son, Jon Paul Rion, also representing the family, said Tracey Baker would turn himself in if prosecutors would reveal charges against him.
During the trial, Tracey Baker's ex-wife, Lori Baker, testified there is a code of silence among ''the Baker women.''
She testified that Doan showed up the night of Carrie's disappearance with dried blood smeared on his chest. He talked privately with Tracey Baker and the two men left with garbage bags and a gun. When they returned, they had blood on their clothes and boots, she testified.
She said her husband warned her not to say anything if police stopped by later that day.
Publication date: 09-18-97
Prosecutor: Lies hid killing
By Michael Rutledge, Post staff reporter
Lawrence Baker not only threatened witnesses at his son's murder trial, he solicited someone to cut down the 30-foot blue spruce ''Angel Tree'' in the victim's front yard that marks her memory, Clinton County officials said Wednesday in seeking a high bond.
Baker's son, Vincent Doan, was convicted Aug. 7 of murdering his girlfriend, Carrie Culberson. Since that conviction, one witness has received so many threats that ''she got laid off because no one was willing to work with her,'' Assistant Prosecutor Rick Moyer told Common Pleas Judge William McCracken.
Prosecutors charge that Baker helped his son cover up the murder while providing him with an alibi.
Baker was in jail after bond was set at $105,000. Two charges of obstructing justice and another charge of tampering with evidence - all felonies - could bring Baker 15 years in prison.
Moyer sought a $200,000 bond for the leader of the family that prosecutors and witnesses portrayed as brutal and bent on intimidation.
''He wanted the Angel Tree cut down,'' Moyer told the judge.
Debra Culberson, mother of 22-year-old Clarissa Ann ''Carrie'' Culberson, was shaken at the new allegation. Because Carrie's body has not been found since her Aug. 28 disappearance, supporters have decorated the tree with angels and lights.
''That's destruction of private property, isn't it?'' Debra Culberson said. ''That's just people trying to remember Carrie.''
* * *
''It's as though they're trying to break the armor of the Baker family, or the Doan family,'' said attorney John Rion, who also represents Doan.
Rion also said he has been in daily contact with Doan's half-brother, Tracey Baker, a long-distance trucker the family said is still on the road.
Rion's son, Jon Paul Rion, also representing the family, said Tracey Baker would turn himself in if prosecutors would reveal charges against him.
During the trial, Tracey Baker's ex-wife, Lori Baker, testified there is a code of silence among ''the Baker women.''
She testified that Doan showed up the night of Carrie's disappearance with dried blood smeared on his chest. He talked privately with Tracey Baker and the two men left with garbage bags and a gun. When they returned, they had blood on their clothes and boots, she testified.
She said her husband warned her not to say anything if police stopped by later that day.
Publication date: 09-18-97
findcarrie said:
Thanks for your reply. I was still just wondering what the attraction to VD was. Thought maybe VD was just like Daddy or something.
Thanks for the link. Wow, lots of reading to be done there. It is going to take awhile.
One thought from what I did read -one would surmise that if a perp thought that he was not going to be convicted that he would not take the plea and have to for sure do some time. Was VD cocky to the end? did he even fake tears?
I am wondering why Vincent would run away for a weekend knowing the police were looking for him in regards for Carrie's murder? Why wait until Monday to turn himself in? Was he thinking of getting one last free weekend in before going to jail for life?I'm sorry for not posting my link to back the case up. Here it is:
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/1997/03/25/loc_doan.htmlTuesday, March 25, 1997
Ex-boyfriend turns self in
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Doan jailed on kidnapping charges
in Culberson case
BY LISA DONOVAN
The Cincinnati Enquirer
Vincent Doan is escorted to jail by Clinton Coutny sheriff Ralph Fizer after a bond hearing Monday.
(Glenn Hartong photo)
| ZOOM |
WILMINGTON, Ohio - After a weekend of being hunted by authorities, Vincent Doan turned himself in to Clinton County deputies Monday on charges he kidnapped former girlfriend Carrie Culberson.
Reporters swarmed Mr. Doan as he was led to the sheriff's office late Monday afternoon. Fifteen feet away, friends and family of Miss Culberson clapped, hooted and cheered, convinced he is responsible for her seven-month absence.
Mr. Doan, 24, of Blanchester - clean-shaven and with close-cropped hair - refused to answer questions about the charges or where he had been this past weekend.
But at a hearing an hour later before Common Pleas Judge William McCracken, Mr. Doan pleaded ''not guilty'' to the four kidnapping charges. Bond was set at $100,000 cash or surety. A pre-trial hearing is to be April 18.
John Rion, Mr. Doan's lawyer, did not explain why his client failed to turn himself in when an arrest warrant was issued Friday.
''They don't have to file charges on Friday, so someone has to sit in jail all weekend,'' he said.
Since Friday, sheriff's deputies, as well as police in Wilmington and Blanchester, had been told to arrest Mr. Doan if he was spotted. Mr. Rion said all he would be accompanying his client to the sheriff's office Monday.
The warrant was issued after a Clinton County grand jury handed up a four-count indictment, alleging he kidnapped Ms. Culberson Aug. 29.
If convicted as charged, Mr. Doan could face a maximum of 40 years - 10 years on each of the four charges.
Carrie Culberson
Ms. Culberson, 23, was last seen late Aug. 28 in front of her Blanchester home. Authorities say a friend dropped her off after a volleyball game. A short time later, a neighbor saw her red Honda CRX moving down the street. Neither has been seen since.
A local bondsman said early Monday night that he was working with Mr. Doan and his family to post the $100,000 bond. Mr. Doan was expected to spend the night in jail, said Kevin Walker, who runs Walker Bail Bonds next to the courthouse in downtown Wilmington.
After the hearing, Debra Culberson, Miss Culberson's mother, said the bond was too low. She also was upset Mr. Doan could be released today. ''What's wrong with him sitting in jail? He's taken away from us,'' Mrs. Culberson said. ''Where's Carrie's rights? Where's our right to be with our daughter.''
Because the investigation - including the search for Miss Culberson - continues, County Prosecutor William Peelle refused to comment about the case.
Mr. Rion said Mr. Doan is just as interested in finding Ms. Culberson, and has even hired a private detective to help find her.
For the naysayers who didn't believe that Vincent was on the run!!
findcarrie
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It was Tracey Baker who ran from the cops. It wasnt Vince. Tracey went on the run with Shannon Hodson and then got caught. He's like OJ though... he just got scared and ran.
findcarrie
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Sorry I forgot the article to back up this statement.
http://www.cincypost.com/news/1997/doan092397.html
http://www.cincypost.com/news/1997/doan092397.html
Find Carrie,
You have such a big heart. What you are doing for this family is so kind of you. You are doing a great job and I love the fact that you keep findcarrie.com up to date. I never knew Carrie, but something has always kept me wondering about her and her family. You are a blessing from God the creator of us all.
P.S. Keep up all the wonderful work you are doing.
You have such a big heart. What you are doing for this family is so kind of you. You are doing a great job and I love the fact that you keep findcarrie.com up to date. I never knew Carrie, but something has always kept me wondering about her and her family. You are a blessing from God the creator of us all.
P.S. Keep up all the wonderful work you are doing.
I guess Tracey BAker wouldn't threaten or intimidate witnesses would he?
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/1997/09/25/loc_doan.html
*SNIP* Mr. Baker allegedly tried to coerce a witness moments before the witness testified Sept. 15 to a grand jury that indicted him, and ran from police and tried to scale a fence when confronted Monday in Florence, said Rick Moyer, an assistant prosecutor with Clinton County.
There also have been threats against witnesses from Mr. Baker and his relatives, Mr. Moyer said.
''We have sworn testimony that (Tracey Baker) said no man, woman or child is safe because of the conviction of his brother in this case.
''When Tracey Baker realized he couldn't influence a witness, he left town, and when he saw police, he ran,'' Mr. Moyer said. *SNIP*
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/1997/09/25/loc_doan.html
*SNIP* Mr. Baker allegedly tried to coerce a witness moments before the witness testified Sept. 15 to a grand jury that indicted him, and ran from police and tried to scale a fence when confronted Monday in Florence, said Rick Moyer, an assistant prosecutor with Clinton County.
There also have been threats against witnesses from Mr. Baker and his relatives, Mr. Moyer said.
''We have sworn testimony that (Tracey Baker) said no man, woman or child is safe because of the conviction of his brother in this case.
''When Tracey Baker realized he couldn't influence a witness, he left town, and when he saw police, he ran,'' Mr. Moyer said. *SNIP*
Why do you feel the need to continuously degrade the Culberson name? You have already said Carrie is a victim by someone else, why are you still degrading the family name and making comments that Carrie was a *advertiser censored*? What will that accomplish? Apparently you find it amusing. Others do not. Me included. Jesus said let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I am so glad that you decided to step up and do that. Now folks outside of Blanchester, OH can see how truly crass and cruel you are. You can't shut all of us up. You can't threaten and intimidate all of us. YOU can't be happy doing this on a daily basis.
How sad and shallow your lives must be. BTW, how often do you folks visit Vincey and Tracey in jail? Print out these postings from here, CTV Missing Thread and show them how much they are loved and how your reacting and responding. Answer me that please. Thank you.
How sad and shallow your lives must be. BTW, how often do you folks visit Vincey and Tracey in jail? Print out these postings from here, CTV Missing Thread and show them how much they are loved and how your reacting and responding. Answer me that please. Thank you.
After reading much of this thread and both websites and guestbook...
I have to ask why the anomosity towards Jill and Carrie's mother??
If the goal is ultimate justice.... of course many would and rightfully should believe that justice has been served in that 12 jurors found both men guilty of the murder or acompliss after the fact of Carrie.
But I see many on all for boards ..here and the 3 aboved mentioned....
address the issue as though Carrie, Jill and her mother deserve anomosity.
IMO whatever occurred... Carrie was killed, her mother ..regardless of their relationship must feel the trauma of that and Jill just trying to help find her or sadly her remains.
I am gleaming from what I read at other sites that there exists this anomosity from the Vince innocent group..
Why would that be??
Most people will and do trust the US judicial system although it does have its flaws.
Innocent people do go to prison..... However In whatever sceneario either it be Vincent and Tracey are innocent and wrongly convicted or they are in fact guilty... in no way does that lesson the death of Carrie or her family.
In neither scenario does it call for attack upon those who morn and miss her..
I've read her mother parties on a Saturday night???
Good for her!!! After what she has been through... she deserves a night out.
Furthermore ...she may go to church on Sunday morning...
SOOO??? to drink is not against most religions..
To pray for her child every Sunday???
I just see nothing wrong with this........
From the little I have read... I feel bad for both families..
Very few could live up to the scrutiny of a microscope over our past decisions..
Most do not live day to day wondering how it will look if a tragedy happens...
We just live doing the best we can in that moment.
That all being said ...I wish to add... that it is understandable that the culbersons feel anomositytowards those who have been found guilty in a court of law of the murder of Carrie...
However the same rule does not apply to the convicted's family...
You see although the system may be flawed at this point in time legallsy the convicted are guilty. For people to assume as such is not wrong.
It is wrong however to attack the victim ...or her family...
They may believe vince and tracy are guilty because a DA accused and a court found it to be fact.....
Even if that ultimately is a mistake it in no way should subject Carrie or her family to accusation by those who disagree.
To be murdered does not mean one must be perfect..Nor her parents nor those who defend her.....
But the less the perfection in no way diminishes the need for justice to be served. As justice is not ultimatley served for the victim or their family but to greater protect the people as a whole from further crimes.
I feel that for those to defend Vince or Tracy... right wrong or otherwise...
is not served by attacking the victim or her family. or those who believe in what the local police, DA or 24 jurors found to be.
I have to ask why the anomosity towards Jill and Carrie's mother??
If the goal is ultimate justice.... of course many would and rightfully should believe that justice has been served in that 12 jurors found both men guilty of the murder or acompliss after the fact of Carrie.
But I see many on all for boards ..here and the 3 aboved mentioned....
address the issue as though Carrie, Jill and her mother deserve anomosity.
IMO whatever occurred... Carrie was killed, her mother ..regardless of their relationship must feel the trauma of that and Jill just trying to help find her or sadly her remains.
I am gleaming from what I read at other sites that there exists this anomosity from the Vince innocent group..
Why would that be??
Most people will and do trust the US judicial system although it does have its flaws.
Innocent people do go to prison..... However In whatever sceneario either it be Vincent and Tracey are innocent and wrongly convicted or they are in fact guilty... in no way does that lesson the death of Carrie or her family.
In neither scenario does it call for attack upon those who morn and miss her..
I've read her mother parties on a Saturday night???
Good for her!!! After what she has been through... she deserves a night out.
Furthermore ...she may go to church on Sunday morning...
SOOO??? to drink is not against most religions..
To pray for her child every Sunday???
I just see nothing wrong with this........
From the little I have read... I feel bad for both families..
Very few could live up to the scrutiny of a microscope over our past decisions..
Most do not live day to day wondering how it will look if a tragedy happens...
We just live doing the best we can in that moment.
That all being said ...I wish to add... that it is understandable that the culbersons feel anomositytowards those who have been found guilty in a court of law of the murder of Carrie...
However the same rule does not apply to the convicted's family...
You see although the system may be flawed at this point in time legallsy the convicted are guilty. For people to assume as such is not wrong.
It is wrong however to attack the victim ...or her family...
They may believe vince and tracy are guilty because a DA accused and a court found it to be fact.....
Even if that ultimately is a mistake it in no way should subject Carrie or her family to accusation by those who disagree.
To be murdered does not mean one must be perfect..Nor her parents nor those who defend her.....
But the less the perfection in no way diminishes the need for justice to be served. As justice is not ultimatley served for the victim or their family but to greater protect the people as a whole from further crimes.
I feel that for those to defend Vince or Tracy... right wrong or otherwise...
is not served by attacking the victim or her family. or those who believe in what the local police, DA or 24 jurors found to be.
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very well said!!
froggy, you said "I would also like to clarify that I did not mean to attack Carrie but to say that she was a victim of her own bad decisions, along with some other horrible action."
Her decisions were on the upswing, she was trying to rid herself of this pestilence. Please do not make it out to be that her free will was the reason she died. Her free will made her leave this jerk and report him for the crimes against her. Abused persons do not get help without a support system, period. She had one, a darn good one, or else she would not have even had those pictures made. She was trying to start anew. A life free of pain and free of covert and blatant abuse.
You nullified the first part of your sentence with the second part, can't you see that? "I did not mean to attack Carrie", and you also said "she was a victim of her own bad decisions"
The ONLY person(s) responsible for the abduction and/or murder of a victim is the sick *advertiser censored*(s) that took and/or harmed them.
Capice? And YES, I read your whole post. Does not make sense to me.
Again, thank you for your comments.
Her decisions were on the upswing, she was trying to rid herself of this pestilence. Please do not make it out to be that her free will was the reason she died. Her free will made her leave this jerk and report him for the crimes against her. Abused persons do not get help without a support system, period. She had one, a darn good one, or else she would not have even had those pictures made. She was trying to start anew. A life free of pain and free of covert and blatant abuse.
You nullified the first part of your sentence with the second part, can't you see that? "I did not mean to attack Carrie", and you also said "she was a victim of her own bad decisions"
The ONLY person(s) responsible for the abduction and/or murder of a victim is the sick *advertiser censored*(s) that took and/or harmed them.
Capice? And YES, I read your whole post. Does not make sense to me.
Again, thank you for your comments.
I am only wondering if lori baker and her sister still live in Blanchester and what has life been like for them since the trial and did Vincent have any children I did see where tacy had children but I dont remeber seeing rather vince did
findcarrie
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Lori and Vicki still live in Blanchester. Vince didnt have any children.
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This thread is either going to get back on track and the attacks will stop, or I'm going to close the thread and time out those who keep up the personal attacks.
Good Morning Everyone. First off I would like to say God Bless everyone especially Carrie Culberson. Second of all, I would like to say thank you to LP Moderator and FindCarrie for their excellent work in being positive for Carrie and her family in the fact that their are DoanBakerClones posting here. LP< thank you for keeping this site clean and the fact that it's free from threats and intimidation from that clan of abusers.
Thanks again for also cleaning out the trash!!
WE appreciate it.
In Memory of Carrie.
Thanks again for also cleaning out the trash!!
WE appreciate it.
In Memory of Carrie.
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