OH - Ohio State University Rampage, 28 November 2016

[K_Z]

From article:
"The Somali refugee who unleashed a brutal slashing rampage at the Ohio State University that left 11 injured on Monday, is just 18 years old according to NBC.

But with his balding hair, mustache and goatee, Abdul Razak Ali Artan has the appearance of someone who could be much older.
Authorities have not yet verified the terror suspect's age - but it is possible pretending to be younger could have helped Artan's immigration status in the US. "


That's no surprise, it's in the refugee how-to handbook.

I completely agree. He is not 18 years old, IMO. He is at least mid twenties. It's a big problem with all refugees and illegal aliens from third world countries, because there is essentially no functioning government, little to no registry of births, spotty/ absent documentation, etc. It is well known that minors receive preferential asylum treatment in most countries that accept asylees, and many claim to be under age 18 who are much older.

Just two of thousands of links:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/01/13/when-underage-refugees-look-anything-but-age-tests-sweden/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...child-refugees-lying-age-actually-adults.html

As debate raged over the migrants, it emerged that:

16 European countries have used dental checks to help determine ages of asylum seekers or refugees;

Officials are dishing out arbitrary dates of birth because genuine ages are impossible to verify;

At least 400 'child' migrants are expected to arrive in the next few weeks;

Foster carers said dentists routinely turned away 'child' migrants – because they could tell they were adults;

Town halls facing huge support bills threatened a revolt if it turns out the refugees are in fact over 18.

 

[dotr]

Yes and I hit the thank you button for giving me more info. And that info helped show me that the graphs someone previously posted are just skewed to show whatever "facts" the person who created them wanted. Those graphs from earlier are what I am saying are pointless. Not the extended info you gave me. You were just the last piece of that conversation which is why you were quoted.

Thanks for the clarification, sorry for the misunderstanding.:smile:

 

[K_Z]

Minutes before his car-and-knife attack on the Ohio State University campus, Abdul Razak Ali Artan posted a photo to his Facebook page.

It was a picture of a document on a Dell computer screen with the warning: "Screenshot this before it gets deleted." Below that was a jumbled screed in which the author railed about the treatment of Muslims around the world.

It vented anger at the United States, cited the persecution of Rohingya Muslims in Burma and name-checked radical cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, calling him a "hero."

There was no specific threat of violence but a suggestion that the U.S. could stop "lone wolf attacks" by making peace with "dawla in al sham," an outdated name for ISIS. He wrote that he had reached "a boiling point" and included a bombastic vow to "kill a billion infidels" to save a single Muslim.

"By Allah, we will not let you sleep unless you give peace to the Muslims. You will not celebrate or enjoy any holiday," the post reads.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio-state-attack-what-we-know-about-abdul-razak-ali-n689556

After seven years in Pakistan, Artan and his mother and his siblings came to the U.S. as refugees. His father lives and works in Dubai, Khan said.

According to Catholic Charities records, the family came to America through Texas, staying in a temporary shelter in Dallas for 24 days before relocating to Columbus, Ohio, a city with a sizable Somali community.

Officials say Artan came to the U.S. with six family members in 2014 after fleeing Somalia and spending seven years in a refugee camp in Pakistan. CBS News has learned that Artan’s father was abducted in Somalia in 2007 and that is why his family left the country to ultimately seek refugee status in 2012. The family came to the U.S. by flying into New York, then going through Dallas and on to Ohio where they settled.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-st...ok-post-muslim-suspect-abdul-razak-ali-artan/

 

[Dogface]

I find his comment about the prayer rooms to be quite telling. In retrospect there might have been a lot of anger under that comment. But, for petes sake, you are on a college campus, getting prayer rooms seems like an easy thing to accomplish with the astounding open mindless that is usually found on college campuses.

 

[dotr]

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio-state-attack-what-we-know-about-abdul-razak-ali-n689556





http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-st...ok-post-muslim-suspect-abdul-razak-ali-artan/

Wondering why the family did not join the father in Dubai, especially since Artan ( as per his student interview wanting to pray ect.) would probably feel more comfortable with those who share his religion?
speculation, imo.

 

[bluesneakers]

Wondering why the family did not join the father in Dubai, especially since Artan ( as per his student interview wanting to pray ect.) would probably feel more comfortable with those who share his religion?
speculation, imo.

Maybe because he'd already started his education in Columbus?

Somali Community Association of Ohio:
http://www.somaliohio.org/

More than One Thousand of Somali's are attending Ohio Colleges and Universities.
99.9% of Somali are Muslims

Columbus.gov Somali Community Project:
https://www.columbus.gov/uploadedfi...th/somalicommunityproject_final_12.3.2010.pdf

Columbus, Ohio has the second largest Somali community in U.S., with an estimated 45,000 Somalis living in this area.

There's much more at both those links.

So maybe he would have been more comfortable there wrt religion, but wanted the familiarity and educational opportunities available here. (Which he threw away anyway, which he could have thrown away without doing so much damage in the process.)

 

[K_Z]

Wondering why the family did not join the father in Dubai, especially since Artan ( as per his student interview wanting to pray ect.) would probably feel more comfortable with those who share his religion?
speculation, imo.

UAE is not really interested in taking many refugees. Artan and his family came to the US in 2014, after 7 years in a pakistan refugee camp. Anyone who is a refugee in UAE is not eligible for Emirates citizenship, also.

The United Arab Emirates is not a State party to the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees, nor to its 1967 Protocol (hereafter the 1951 Convention). The UAE is also not a State party to the 1954 Convention relating to the Status of Stateless Persons, or to the1961
Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness.

No legal framework exists to govern the relationship between UNHCR and the Government of the United Arab Emirates. Therefore, the UNHCR office in UAE, which was opened in 1986, works under the umbrella of the UNDP. UNHCR’s presence is welcomed by the UAE. Under current conditions, the functional responsibilities for all aspects related to refugee
status determination in the country are carried out by UNHCR.

As of 30 April 2012, there were a total of 707 asylum-seekers and refugees (recognized under mandate) registered with UNHCR Abu Dhabi, 75% of whom are Iraqis. The remaining active caseload is composed of a mix of nationalities, including Iranians, Somalis and Sudanese

http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/4ffd31262.pdf

http://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...ticism-about-doing-little-for-syrian-refugees

http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/dubai-based-charity-aids-somali-refugees

 

[Tillicum]

Are they saying he purchased the knife on Monday morning or are they referring to the attack on Monday morning? I just assumed he brought a knife from home. Thoughts?

Law enforcement sources tell CBS News that investigators have not settled on a motive for Monday’s apparent terror attack at Ohio State University, but so far it appears Abdul Razak Ali Artan’s decision to attack “came out of the blue.”

A law enforcement source confirmed to CBS News that Artan purchased the knife used in the attack on Monday morning.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-st...razak-ali-arta-may-have-come-out-of-the-blue/

 

[K_Z]

Are they saying he purchased the knife on Monday morning or are they referring to the attack on Monday morning? I just assumed he brought a knife from home. Thoughts?



http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-st...razak-ali-arta-may-have-come-out-of-the-blue/

Maybe we need background checks and a mandatory waiting period for purchasing butcher knives? (Yes, that is sarcasm.)

 

[K_Z]

All non-citizens in the UAE fall under national immigration laws (Expatriate law) with regard to their legal status in the country including refugees and asylum seekers who are registered with UNHCR. Thus, they are covered by national immigration laws, which clearly provide that work sponsorship is an essential pre-requisite for becoming a legal resident in the country and that deportation is a possible consequence of overstaying a legal residence permit.

Resettlement is used by UNHCR in a strategic manner and as a tool for protection, mainly for persons who have been identified as having legal problems in the UAE, in particular those who are at risk of losing their legal residence as a result of work termination. This has been particularly common in recent years, when a large number of foreigners in the UAE lost their jobs as a result of the financial crisis. Granting a permit for refugees to stay in the UAE beyond the valid legal residence period requires a special request from UNHCR and is temporary, pending the finalization of resettlement procedures to a third country.

http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/4ffd31262.pdf

 

[bluesneakers]

Are they saying he purchased the knife on Monday morning or are they referring to the attack on Monday morning? I just assumed he brought a knife from home. Thoughts?


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-st...razak-ali-arta-may-have-come-out-of-the-blue/

It does sound confusing. I searched and found this:

The sources said that Artan purchased the knife Monday morning at a local Walmart shortly before the attack. The FBI has concluded interviews with Artan's family members but is seeking to interview others close to the assailant.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/isis-attempts-claim-osu-attacker-soldier/story?id=43851229

If he purchased it at WalMart there are undoubtedly receipts and video. But how strange he bought it at the last minute like that.

 

[human]

I live in a foreign country now and picked up a guy hitchhiking who was from the Netherlands. Blonde hair, blue eyes.

He is going to the Middles East eventually, even Iran and Saudia arabia. I asked how he could go to Iran and he said they love Dutch people.

I asked how he could afford to travel around . I said he must have had a good job. He said he worked in the UAE.

He said that there is no poverty in the Netherlands. America was very strange to him.

It is interesting the different views . I wonder if the UAE is recovered. Sounds like a good place to get a high paying job

 

[passionflower]

I just saw a TV news (sorry don't know the channel) interviewed his neighbor lady.
She said allot of strangers were visiting him. Then she said he wore a gopro??? on his head
the night before and said if he died it would show who did it..............I have to search for a link.
Did anyone else see or hear this interview tonight?

 

[Dogface]

I live in a foreign country now and picked up a guy hitchhiking who was from the Netherlands. Blonde hair, blue eyes.

He is going to the Middles East eventually, even Iran and Saudia arabia. I asked how he could go to Iran and he said they love Dutch people.

I asked how he could afford to travel around . I said he must have had a good job. He said he worked in the UAE.

He said that there is no poverty in the Netherlands. America was very strange to him.

It is interesting the different views . I wonder if the UAE is recovered. Sounds like a good place to get a high paying job

OT, but oh my gosh, be careful picking up hitchhikers!

 

[K_Z]

Wondering why the family did not join the father in Dubai, especially since Artan ( as per his student interview wanting to pray ect.) would probably feel more comfortable with those who share his religion?
speculation, imo.

Frankly, I think the more interesting question is why the father didn't join the family in the U.S.

I wonder if he abandoned the family? And what effect that may have had on the assailant?

 

[K_Z]

Monday’s attack on the OSU campus is the second such knife attack in Columbus this year by a Muslim immigrant.

In February, four people were wounded, one critically, while dining at the city’s Nazareth Mediterranean Restaurant, which is owned by an Arab Christian from Israel. The attacker in that case was Mohamed Barry, an immigrant from the West African country of Guinea who slashed diners with a machete before he was killed by police while shouting, “Allahu Akbar!”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/muslim-r...at-ohio-state-university/#JJK74DpOcCyiPvL3.99

Cops kill man after machete attack at Ohio deli

Last Updated Feb 12, 2016 2:28 PM EST

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Police shot and killed a man who stormed into a central Ohio restaurant wielding a machete and randomly attacking people as they sat unsuspectingly at their dinner tables, authorities said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/machete-attack-nazareth-restaurant-columbus-ohio-stabbing/

CBS News homeland security correspondent Jeff Pegues reports it was also revealed late Friday that he was in U.S. on a green card.

The suspected attacker has a Somali background, and officials believe he may have traveled to Dubai in the United Arab Emirates in 2012, Pegues reports. Law enforcement is concerned that this incident has the hallmarks of the type of so-called "lone wolf" terrorist attack that they have been working to stop.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nazareth-restaurant-police-machete-attacker-columbus-ohio/

 

[dotr]

Frankly, I think the more interesting question is why the father didn't join the family in the U.S.

I wonder if he abandoned the family? And what effect that may have had on the assailant?

The father not joining the family would have been my next question, but when poster Human mentioned high paying jobs in the UAE, thought/hoped that he was there to help support his family.
Wondering if the absence of his father might have made the perp take drastic measures to get his attention?
speculation, imo.

 

[K_Z]

Ohio State attack suspect wasn't well-known in Columbus' Somali, Muslim communities

COLUMBUS, Ohio--Ohio State University attack suspect Abdul Artan, a Somali refugee living in Columbus, was not well-known among the city's Somali or Muslim communities, local leaders said Monday evening.

"We don't know who he is," said Horsed Noah, who runs the Masjid Abubakar Asiddiq Islamic Center, the largest such center in Columbus. When Artan's face appeared on television, Noah said, no one in his congregation - which totals more than 2,000 people - recognized him.

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2016/11/ohio_state_attacker_wasnt_well.html

 

[K_Z]

The father not joining the family would have been my next question, but when poster Human mentioned high paying jobs in the UAE, thought/hoped that he was there to help support his family.
Wondering if the absence of his father might have made the perp take drastic measures to get his attention?
speculation, imo.

I have to wonder if there is any truth to the story that the attacker's father is in Dubai. It doesn't seem to be a very likely path, that a man from Somalia who was purportedly abducted, and may or may not have spent time in a Pakistani refugee camp with his family, would end up in a sponsored job in wealthy Dubai-- who accepts only a handful of Somali refugees every year.

I'm sure the U.S. authorities (Homeland Security and FBI are leading the investigation) are now looking into all of the particulars of how this family came to be sponsored by Catholic Charities into the U.S., and what kind of vetting procedures were conducted.

I'd be particularly interested in learning the ages of the 6 siblings, as it sounds like some are fairly young. Several articles say Artan drove his siblings to school before he conducted the terrorist attack. If that is so, then they are school age. The family spent 7 years in a pakistani camp, and came here 2 years ago, while the father is reportedly in Dubai-- not sure what year they say he went there. The timeline is somewhat troubling.

 

[K_Z]

Texas Governor weighs in on the OSU terror attack, and the role his state played in the refugee process.

Greg Abbott Points to OSU Stabbing As Caution Against Refugee Resettlement

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott is using the violent attack on the Ohio State University campus yesterday as an example of why he removed Texas from the Refugee Relocation Process. He says in a tweet he will not "be an accomplice to importing terrorists."

Catholic Charities of Dallas CEO David Woodyard says that matches their records.

“It does appear that he is a match for our records for someone who was here with his mother and six other siblings for a total of 23 days in June of 2014,” Woodyard says.

Woodyard says Catholic Charities of Dallas provided temporary housing for Artan’s family and tried to help them assimilate into the culture and become more familiar with the English language. The resettlement group’s mission hasn’t changed – though Texas recently decided to pull out of the refugee resettlement program. This morning, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott told Fox & Friends that Monday’s attack underscores his concerns.

“I predicted this was going to happen,” Abbott says. “This refugee from Somalia who made the attack on Ohio State initially came into the United States to Dallas, Texas. And because I knew that refugees were coming in from terrorist-based countries, posing problems like this, I could not be an accomplice to importing terrorism into the United States of America.”

Abbott says he wants the U.S. to stop accepting refugees from countries like Somalia, Syria and Yemen – saying it leads to a higher probability of an incident like the one at OSU on Monday.

“It is insanity that the United States of America will not safeguard our people by bringing in people from terrorist-sponsored nations,” Abbott says.

In his TV interview this morning, the Abbott also used the incident to reinforce his position on campus carry, saying that the Texas policy could help stop a violent attack like the one at Ohio State more quickly.

http://kut.org/post/greg-abbott-points-osu-stabbing-caution-against-refugee-resettlement