VERDICT WATCH OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #85

[RAISINISBACK]

Why would she put her job on the line and lie? The transcript has to be certified and with the judge and his attorneys listening to it with no objections while she read it tells me he said it. JMO

When did she ever produce a transcript? I have watched his testimony twice now and never saw her give him one or read from one. So how does anyone know she produced a transcript of the MT interview? Or is that just an assumption because she said certain things were said by George in MT? She could have gotten her information from one of the agents that interviewed him.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Right.

BCI and the prosecution have provided more than enough witnesses and examples to explain the deep enmeshment of this family. Both George and Jake explained to their significant others why they could not leave their own home. None of them were sophisticated enough to understand it was enmeshment, although all three girls had the natural instinct to resist. HR's family was close, they lived near DR's parents, CR was close to his family. While maybe it wasn't what outsiders would think of as normal for CR & DR to live so close together after divorce, it seemed to work for the kids, and I don't think that is so unusual. There is a mountain of difference between a "close family" and an "enmeshed family".

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Going by your assessment you would have to include the R's as an enmeshed family. Frankie and Hazel living with Dana. Hannah living with Dana. Chris sr buying her a house. Mingling of finances in that he financed her house ect.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

https://twitter.com/jbakerohio

So far, the judge is denying defense motions related to jury instructions

The defense filed several motions related to jury instructions Monday and more Tuesday arguing the identity of the killer of 3 of the 8 victims 'is in dispute.' Chris Rhoden Sr, his cousin Gary Rhoden and his brother, Kenneth Rhoden

Jake Wagner testified he shot and killed 5 of the 8 victims and shot a sixth, Chris Rhoden Sr. His testimony implicated his father, Billy Wagner, in slayings of Chris Sr., Gary and Kenneth

Defense contends in court records now that 'Jake's method of killing the others is so similar it establishes his 'modus operandi of execution.’

Jake testified he shot all 5 victims he says he killed in the head, including one in her eye, Hannah 'Hazel' Gilley.' Kenneth was shot in the eye too, defense notes. And Gary and Chris Sr. suffered identical head shot wounds, defense argues, citing deputy coroner testimony

#BREAKING: Death penalty is OFF the table for George Wagner IV. Judge Randy Deering just granted state request to drop that possible sentence if George Wagner is convicted of aggravated murder charges in PIke County massacre

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No death penalty for George Wagner IV if he’s convicted of Pike County massacre

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Posting of all these pictures of attorneys is causing my computer to run really slow. LOL Is there a way to reduce those to a smaller size?

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Why would she put her job on the line and lie? The transcript has to be certified and with the judge and his attorneys listening to it with no objections while she read it tells me he said it. JMO

Why would she put her job on the line and lie?

Actually AC does not have a job. One of the podcasts said she was called out of retirement to try this case.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/pattinewberry

BREAKING: Pike County Common Pleas Court Judge Randy Deering issued a verbal order at 10:03 a.m. that removed the possibility of the death penalty in the #PikeCountyMassacre trial of #GeorgeWagnerIV. 1/8



The prosecution earlier indicated it would drop "death specifications" if Wagner IV's mother Angela Wagner and brother Edward "Jake" Wagner" followed through with a deal they struck with the state in 2021, when both switched their pleas to guilty in the case. 2/8

Under the deal, the state agreed to drop the death penalty for them, Wagner IV and his father, George "Billy" Wagner III, if they testified in the trials of Wagner IV and III. The elder Wagner will be tried next year. 3/8

To take death penalty off the table, the state asked Deering to dismiss three specifications in all eight aggravated murder charges against Wagner IV. Deering granted the request. 4/8

"I want to make it clear this is not a merit-based decision," Special Prosecutor Angela Canepa said in agreeing to modify the charges. 5/8

Wagner IV's lead defense attorney, John P. Parker, asked the court to resolve the matter this morning as both sets of attorneys prepare closing statements to deliver this coming Monday and Tuesday. The jury will learn about the decision before the statements begin. 6/8

With the jury on a holiday week break, lawyers met with Deering in court this morning to consider eight motions from Wagner IV's attorneys related to jury instructions. They filed one in January, five on Monday and two more today. Deering denied six, leaving two to go. 7/8

The prosecution objected to the motions, saying Deering's 150-page draft of jury instructions covered most everything already, in compliance with guidelines from the Ohio Judicial Conference's jury instructions committee. 8/8

 

[RAISINISBACK]

https://twitter.com/pattinewberry

BREAKING: Pike County Common Pleas Court Judge Randy Deering issued a verbal order at 10:03 a.m. that removed the possibility of the death penalty in the #PikeCountyMassacre trial of #GeorgeWagnerIV. 1/8

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The prosecution earlier indicated it would drop "death specifications" if Wagner IV's mother Angela Wagner and brother Edward "Jake" Wagner" followed through with a deal they struck with the state in 2021, when both switched their pleas to guilty in the case. 2/8

Under the deal, the state agreed to drop the death penalty for them, Wagner IV and his father, George "Billy" Wagner III, if they testified in the trials of Wagner IV and III. The elder Wagner will be tried next year. 3/8

To take death penalty off the table, the state asked Deering to dismiss three specifications in all eight aggravated murder charges against Wagner IV. Deering granted the request. 4/8

"I want to make it clear this is not a merit-based decision," Special Prosecutor Angela Canepa said in agreeing to modify the charges. 5/8

Wagner IV's lead defense attorney, John P. Parker, asked the court to resolve the matter this morning as both sets of attorneys prepare closing statements to deliver this coming Monday and Tuesday. The jury will learn about the decision before the statements begin. 6/8

With the jury on a holiday week break, lawyers met with Deering in court this morning to consider eight motions from Wagner IV's attorneys related to jury instructions. They filed one in January, five on Monday and two more today. Deering denied six, leaving two to go. 7/8

The prosecution objected to the motions, saying Deering's 150-page draft of jury instructions covered most everything already, in compliance with guidelines from the Ohio Judicial Conference's jury instructions committee. 8/8

Did they say which three specifications were dropped?

JMO

 

[pcrum12]

he said his father asked him once whether he had any regrets because he was feeling “frustrated with me,” with what he had been made to do

That is not how I read that statement. I read it as Jake saying his father made him do it. As usual pushing the blame for his own actions on someone else, but never on angel mommy or him.

JMO

I take that completely different. To me what Jake is saying is that Billy was frustrated with me/Jake, with what he/Billy had been made to do.

 

[dgfred]

He was made to do it.
GW was made to do it
BW was made to do it.

There ya go. Fixed

 

[rsd1200]

Judge Deering does not have the last word in this. The jurors do.

In certain situations, a judge can overrule the jury. I don't see that happening, and it is very rare but I'm leaning that the jury goes with guity, so G4's defense attorneys will probably request that Deering overrule, as a matter of record.

 

[rsd1200]

I could be wrong but I thought the insurance money bought the Peterson Rd house. The title or deed was put in G & J's name but they didn't take out a mortgage on it. Both boys referred to the house as "Angela's".

They said it was most definitely not their house. It was theirs in name only.

 

[Betty P]

As far as Dana's i think the defense should leave that alone.

I am wondering if they throw out the murders at Dana's house because of jurisdiction if Adams county can come back and try him for those three in an Adams county court?

JMO

The jurisdiction argument lost today. It's clearly in Ohio law that crimes that take place in multiple jurisdictions can be tried in one jurisdiction.

Parker's response was that he thought it was unconstitutional. He'll have to take that to a higher court.

 

[Betty P]

Going by your assessment you would have to include the R's as an enmeshed family. Frankie and Hazel living with Dana. Hannah living with Dana. Chris sr buying her a house. Mingling of finances in that he financed her house ect.

JMO

The Rhodens were not "enmeshed". They lived together for a while out of economic necessity. Chris Sr and Dana raised their kids to be independent and make their own decisions, pursue their own paths. The children were not supporting the parents. Both parents had jobs and provided for the minor children. The older ones developed skills, got jobs and paid their own way.

Chris Sr and Dana did not tell their children who to marry or impregnate. They didn't try to control the lives of the partners/spouses of their children.

They were not emotionally and psychologically dependent on each other.

 

[twall]

If he is found not guilty in Pike County can he be tried for those at Dana's in Scioto County? Or does double jeopardy kick in?

I believe double jeopardy would apply. JMO

 

[Pru2U]

The Rhodens were not "enmeshed". They lived together for a while out of economic necessity. Chris Sr and Dana raised their kids to be independent and make their own decisions, pursue their own paths. The children were not supporting the parents. Both parents had jobs and provided for the minor children. The older ones developed skills, got jobs and paid their own way.

Chris Sr and Dana did not tell their children who to marry or impregnate. They didn't try to control the lives of the partners/spouses of their children.

They were not emotionally and psychologically dependent on each other.

Of course they weren’t.

 

[iulia]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595164962556895233

 

[Myland]

Why would she put her job on the line and lie? The transcript has to be certified and with the judge and his attorneys listening to it with no objections while she read it tells me he said it. JMO

Jmo she never said she had transcript. She ignored George when he asked to see it to help jog his memory.

 

[justtrish]

If you will notice the house in his name was not burned. Ever wonder why? Maybe because George told them no way.

JMO

No, I don't wonder why the Peterson Road house wasn't burned.

BCI was looking at them for the murder of 8 people and they were trying to fly under the radar.

It benefited them a lot more to sell it.

 

[IType]

I've been trying to find something GW4 said when he testified but having no luck.

I remember reading a post, maybe a Twitter summary, where it stated that GW4 said something to the effect of Jake always tells the truth when he gets caught (paraphrasing).

Does anyone else remember that?

 

[Betty P]

The Rhodens were not "enmeshed". They lived together for a while out of economic necessity. Chris Sr and Dana raised their kids to be independent and make their own decisions, pursue their own paths. The children were not supporting the parents. Both parents had jobs and provided for the minor children. The older ones developed skills, got jobs and paid their own way.

Chris Sr and Dana did not tell their children who to marry or impregnate. They didn't try to control the lives of the partners/spouses of their children.

They were not emotionally and psychologically dependent on each other.

Didn't mean that to sound rude. I had to step away.

The families in that area and other rural areas like it are usually close for economic, lifestyle reasons and tradition. It's different from enmeshed families where healthy socialization is discouraged by choice or habit.

It's about raising your kids to be independent, instead of tied to the old apron strings. Hope that makes sense. JMO

 

[Myland]

Jmo wow Jeff Tackett was paid to record Wagner’s. So they paid more than just Jake.