OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #78

[tlcya]

PIKE COUNTY, Ohio —

A town woke up one morning to the horror that eight people were brutally killed. The Rhoden family suffered an unthinkable loss eight times over on one late April night in 2016. And years would go by before an arrest was made, and the massacre of an entire family still haunts Pike County, Ohio to this day. On April 22, 2021 Edward Jake Wagner pleads guilty and agrees to testify against family members.

PRESSER: APRIL 27, 2016

Video Interview with Attorney General DeWine Published 8-13-16

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ames Pilcher

@jamespilcher
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Starting new thread for testimony in Wagner murder trial in Pike County. Also just learned appeals court ruled in media's favor allowing us to photograph and video any exhibit or evidence shown in court. It's up to us whether to publish or broadcast. Thanks
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[Sillybilly]

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[Tiff23fr]

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[Niner]

Wednesday, October 19th:
*Trial continues (Day 26) (@ 9am ET) - OH - Pike County 8 people dead: Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (40), his ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden (37), their three children, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden (20), Christopher Jr. (16), Hanna Mae (19); Frankie's fiancée, Hannah Hazel Gilley (20), Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, Kenneth Rhoden (44), & a cousin, Gary Rhoden (37). Hanna Rhoden's baby girl (5 days old), another baby (6 mos.) & a young child (3) were unharmed. (April 21-22, 2016, Pebbles) – for *George Washington Wagner IV (27/now 31) (Jakes’ bro) indicted (11/12/18), arrested (11/13/18), charged (11/15/18) & arraigned (11/28/18) with 8 counts aggravated murder, (plus gun specifications on each), 1 count of 1st degree conspiracy, 4 counts of 1st degree aggravated burglary, 1 count of 5th degree unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, 3 counts of 3rd degree evidence tampering, 1 count of 5th degree forgery, 1 count of 5th degree unauthorized use of computer or telecommunications, 1 count of 4th degree interception of wire, oral or electronic communication, 1 count of 5th degree obstructing justice, & 1 count of 1st degree engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will seek the DP. Per Jake’s plea agreement, DP is off the table if his testimony is truthful.
Trial began on 8/29/22 with final jury selection & the jury was seated on 8/30/22. 12 Jurors & 6 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 6 alternates: (5 women & 1 man). 9/30/22: Ill juror replaced with alternate. 12 jurors & 5 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 5 alternates (4 women & 1 man).
Trial began with opening statements began on Monday, 9/12/22. (Trial is scheduled for 30 days).
Crime info & court hearings from 11/28/18 thru 9/6/22 & Trial Day 1-24 (9/12 to 10/17/22) reference post #835 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-77.639955/page-42
10/18/22 Tuesday, Trial Day 25: All the calls are played - but Judge Deering didn't rule on whether to play them all. Will find out tomorrow morning whether that happens. So Judge Deering rules against defense & will not allow the playing of the full recordings.
for more info see posts #843 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...bers-wagner-family-arrested-77.639955/page-43
State witnesses: BCI Agent Julia Eveslage, back on stand, discussed various recordings from wiretaps. Former BCI agent Bryan White recalled to stand. He handled a lot of crime scenes but is now a Lt. with Madison Co. Sheriff's office.
for more info see posts #843 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...bers-wagner-family-arrested-77.639955/page-43
for more info see posts #901 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...bers-wagner-family-arrested-77.639955/page-46
State witness: BCI Special Agent Jennifer Comisford testifying about when Angela Wagner brought in for handwriting analysis.
For more info see posts #908 & 911 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-77.639955/page-46
State witness: BCI Agent Julia Eveslage, back on stand.
for more info see post #908 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...bers-wagner-family-arrested-77.639955/page-46
for more info see post #979 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...bers-wagner-family-arrested-77.639955/page-49
for more info see post #1055 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...bers-wagner-family-arrested-77.639955/page-53
State Witness: BCI forensic accounting supervisor Mike Kaizar.
for more info see post #1025 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...bers-wagner-family-arrested-77.639955/page-52
Trial continues on Wednesday, 10/19/22

 

[YaYa_521]

Continue here.

 

[sunshineray]

New thread for second afternoon session for Wagner Pike County Trial. Next up is BCI forensic accounting supervisor Mike Kaizar who has opted in


He started in private sector and investigated fraud all over the world. He says he thought it would be boring just doing criminal stuff for BCI but it has been anything but. Does drug cases/murder cases.

Says he focuses clearly on what allegations are instead of auditor who looks at everything. Looks at bank records, tax statements etc.

Finding the bank accounts is the biggest challenge for him. Once he gets them, he can start plowing through the records.

He might start with utilities - asks them through subpoena how they are paying their bills. Then finds banks and then can find the rest

Credit card purchases can take longer to post than when the purchase was actually made - especially ones from overseas. Also will flag fraud protection - like the ones made from Chinese company on George Wagner's card - and triggered fraud alert

That was me saying that about the George Wagner card - not him yet.

"Everything shows up" even when you dispute it and it comes off

He started helping on Rhoden homicide case in July or August 2016.

But also dove into the Wagner family finances after they were identified as supsects.

All the records he searched for all these accounts https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

The first shared account between Billy and Angela closed in May 2016.

He was on look at for flashlights, specialized drill bits, tactical equipment etc. ... found several of these.

Some accounts were in George's name, also shared with Jake. One purchase from that was for Winter Soldier mask as listed below, as well as lots of concrete mix.

Also he noticed several insurance payouts - my comment here - possibly from previous house fires etc. One was for $40k to George Wagner - three different ones all deposited in March 2016.

This was to the trucking company account that was in George's name.

There was also a deposit of a check from Fredericka and Bob Wagner for $33,000 into the account controlled by George IV and Angela Wagner in March 2016.

There was also a deposit of a check from Fredericka and Bob Wagner for $33,000 into the account controlled by George IV and Angela Wagner in March 2016. Then there was money transferred to another account, and that account paid a lawyer $27,000

They went into the credit card data for each person but then shut it down for the day. Kaizar will be back tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/jamespilcher
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Bringing forward from last thread



Did the witness say what account that money, $27,000, was transferred into? Was that money from FW given to JW via that GWIV/AW account?

I wonder if this was right around the time JW started soliciting funds from the public to pay his lawyer's bills?

 

[rsd1200]

Caylee Advocate said:
As much as some of us may dislike JW being her father, she did carry his last name, so SW is her initials not SR unfortunately. I'm thinking it's just a typo. Sad,

I think you are correct @Caylee Advocate

 

[altojack]

I hope we have an interesting day Sleuthers

 

[Niner]

I will be your Tweeter person for the rest of the week. I will try & stay up as long as I can for the afternoon tweets.

 

[Betty P]

Forensic accountant is up

WATCH LIVE: First Trial in Pike County Massacre

The first defendant will stand trial for allegedly helping kill eight members of an Ohio family.

lawandcrime.com

Talking about a credit card in the name of Jake Wagner

ETA: Bass Pro Shops cc

 

[Niner]

James Pilcher
@jamespilcher
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Good morning from Pike County - more from the murder trial of George Wagner IV. First up is BCI forensic accountant Michael Kaizar continuing his testimony from yesterday.

link: https://twitter.com/jamespilcher


I shall wait for 1/2 an hour for more tweets - this is the only one so far. Just to let you know who is up!

 

[Betty P]

A Cabela's Capitol 1 in George's name was rejected. Third attempt the payment was accepted on Jake's Bass Pro Shop card. So George was attempting to buy something with his Cabela card, got turned down, so he used Jake's card. All related to the same purchase of a camera

Items of interest purchased on another transaction - Ammunition, SKS magazine 30 rounds. Purchased with Jake's credit card. Bass Pro Shops Cinci

These are all purchases from March 2016

 

[Betty P]

Now talking about the purchase from China on credit card.

 

[Niner]

James Pilcher
@jamespilcher
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Good morning from Pike County - more from the murder trial of George Wagner IV. First up is BCI forensic accountant Michael Kaizar continuing his testimony from yesterday.

They are going through credit cards in the names of Jake, Angela and George. There was a purchase and a receipt for something just shown to the jury on Jake's card - Walmart receipt for the camera kit.



There were two attempts to use George's Cabela Visa card that were declined (possibly for China purchase) and then another purchase was made with Jake's credit card.

Also bought ammunition at a Bass ProShop in Cincinnati. 40 rounds of ammo per box and a magazine bought as week - SKS magazine 30 round. .762 x 30 mm ammunition

George Wagner's credit card was never refunded for the $600-plus purchase to Chinese company. They haven't said exactly what that purchase was for - but the website they found on laptop indicated it was a cell phone jammer from China.

That purchase was made on March 18, 2016. Now onto one on April 13, 2016 from Rural King in Waverly for $553. Bought another flashlight. Another one on George's card from OK Auto Parts in Peebles in April 2016 for an auto filter possibly used as silencer

More on George's card on April 27 2016 at Rural King - bought a gun with his name on the receipt.

Prosecution previously introduced a Beretta 9 mm with skulls on the grips that was bought on that day.

Home equity loan on Peterson Road property in Jake's name, but then some money from that loan sent to George Wagner's credit card




link: https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

 

[ColMustard]

Here is the Wix 33960 fuel water separator.

Specs show it is 3.9" diameter, 7" long.

https://www.amazon.com/WIX-Filters-33960-Heavy-Separator/dp/B0035R0TEC

 

[Chelly]

According to this testimony, it sounds like the Wagners were a criminal enterprise financially connected to each other.

 

[rsd1200]

@Caylee Advocate @Puzzles8 I don't know what his fees are, but from the previous thread re; BW's 1st chair (Atty. Collins), my guess is he is not the least expensive choice.

BW's Atty's Bio

 

[pittsburghgirl]

James Pilcher
@jamespilcher
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Good morning from Pike County - more from the murder trial of George Wagner IV. First up is BCI forensic accountant Michael Kaizar continuing his testimony from yesterday.

They are going through credit cards in the names of Jake, Angela and George. There was a purchase and a receipt for something just shown to the jury on Jake's card - Walmart receipt for the camera kit.

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There were two attempts to use George's Cabela Visa card that were declined (possibly for China purchase) and then another purchase was made with Jake's credit card.

Also bought ammunition at a Bass ProShop in Cincinnati. 40 rounds of ammo per box and a magazine bought as week - SKS magazine 30 round. .762 x 30 mm ammunition

George Wagner's credit card was never refunded for the $600-plus purchase to Chinese company. They haven't said exactly what that purchase was for - but the website they found on laptop indicated it was a cell phone jammer from China.

That purchase was made on March 18, 2016. Now onto one on April 13, 2016 from Rural King in Waverly for $553. Bought another flashlight. Another one on George's card from OK Auto Parts in Peebles in April 2016 for an auto filter possibly used as silencer

More on George's card on April 27 2016 at Rural King - bought a gun with his name on the receipt.

Prosecution previously introduced a Beretta 9 mm with skulls on the grips that was bought on that day.

Home equity loan on Peterson Road property in Jake's name, but then some money from that loan sent to George Wagner's credit card




link: https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

The state is showing they commingle money in buying items probably (most likely) used in the massacre.

 

[Pru2U]

I will be your Tweeter person for the rest of the week. I will try & stay up as long as I can for the afternoon tweets.

Thank you Niner.

Now I have chorus from The Traveling Wilburys song Tweeter and the Monkey Man stuck on repeat in my head:

And the walls came down
All the way to hell