OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #78

[rsd1200]

The only thing I recall about suppressors was in this article.


"In between engine roars and the crunch of metal, Joe, who works as a mechanist, said investigators actually paid him a visit. They’d heard he’d helped a friend make some silencers, which he had, and which his friend is legally registered to do. While the dirt flew in all directions and the air turned into fumes, Joe mentioned, too, that his kin actually lived on Union Hill Rd. He’d put in a word for me."

Eight unsolved murders in Pike County, Ohio

The murder of the Rhoden family was a brutal tragedy that seemed straight out of an Appalachian noir. Two years later, no one knows why it happened.

theoutline.com

That's it. It's not what I thought I remembered, but I knew there was a guy, who knew a guy... Thank you!

 

[rsd1200]

I don't think we've heard from the people the W's bought the truck from or those that they gifted it too.

I do wonder if those he gifted it too called in a tip ever?

Remember the BCI requesting info on vehicles of the Wagner's about the 1 year mark? I also think the timing being so odd, I would have thought twice about my uncle gifting me a truck the exact day 8 murders are committed and before the sun came up at that. Was that not at all suspicious especially if they never discussed Billy getting her a vehicle? Maybe it's just after the fact it seems so much more suspicious, but I'd like to think if a relative of mine showed up at my house to gift me or one of my children a vehicle before the sun came up and on the same day 8 people are discovered murdered and my relative knew all 8 of them.. were there any red flags?

No, they've not been up yet. I'm wondering if GW4's niece will be called, too. The three cousins are close in age. Maybe in some sick sort of way he thought he might as well help her out and, they'd know where the truck was at. Isn't it the one they got some dna from the carpet? I wonder if he just showed up, or called the night before, and told them he'd be bringing the truck up early the next morning. I think AC mentioned that KW, was in need of a vehicle. If so, she probably just didn't look a gift horse in the mouth.

 

[Cool Cats]

Yeah. They did plan enough that they were not arrested immediately after the murders. But someone a way back on this thread mentioned they thought they could get away with it when it was only the small town LE doing the investigating. That post got me thinking if Sherrif Raeder did not call in help that first day, they might have been overwhelmed and this case might not have been solved. I think once BCI and the state of ohio brought their resources into the picture it changed the dynamic. With BCI in the picture their mistakes slowly started to get exposed.

How big was the Pike County murders investigation?

Dayton Daily News.
By Will Garbe
Josh Sweigart
Nov 15, 2018

More than four dozen law enforcement agencies helped investigators. Several dozen state, local and federal agencies assisted in the investigation. They include:

• Adams County Sheriff's Office
• Buckeye State Sheriffs' Association
• Butler County Sheriff's Office
• Chillicothe Police Department
• Clark County Prosecutor's Office
• Columbus Division of Police
• Delaware County Sheriff's Office
• Franklin County Prosecutor's Office
• Franklin County Sheriff's Office
• Hamilton County Prosecutor's Office
• Ohio Air National Guard
• Ohio Crisis Response Team
• Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction
• Ohio Department of Taxation
• Ohio Organized Crime Investigations Commission
• Ohio State Highway Patrol
• Pickaway County Sheriff's Office
• Piketon Police Department
• Portsmouth Police Department
• Ross County Sheriff's Office
• Scioto County Prosecutor's Office
• Scioto County Sheriff's Office
• U.S. 23 Major Crimes Task Force
• Warren County Prosecutor's Office
• Warren County Sheriff's Office
• Waverly Police Department
• Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
• Customs and Border Patrol
• Drug Enforcement Agency
• Federal Bureau of Investigation
• Homeland Security Investigations
• U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of Ohio
• U.S. Postal Inspection Service

 

[Cool Cats]

This has always been awful horrific in my mind but to read HR was moved so her baby could still nurse off her was more than I could handle. I cannot even imagine what the family is going through! I am going to go back through this thread and all the closed ones to see what I have missed. Have they posted the autopsies of all the family members or just CRs and GR?

These are the ones I have found:
Chris Sr., Hannah Gilley, Frankie, Kenneth, Gary.

 

[Cool Cats]

Is FW on the witness list?

Where is that list, anyway? Where can I find it?

This is the only witness list that I know of - the subpoenas. There are more than this. Also, on very bottom right of page press on #2 for the second page.

08/22/2022 SUBPOENAS SERVED BY BCI BY PERSONAL SERVICE ON RANDA HUGHES, FREDRICKA WAGNER, ROBIN WAGNER, CHRIS NEWCOMB, RITA NEWCOMB, JAMES MANLEY, APRIL MANLEY, SHAWN WATSON, DONALD SLONE, EMMA MORGAN, AND BILLY MORGAN ON 8-22-2022

08/22/2022 SUBPOENA ISSUED ON RANDA HUGHES, RITA NEWCOMB, ROBERT WAGNER, JULIA WAGNER, KATY WAGNER, CHRIS NEWCOMB, ROBIN WAGNER & FREDERICKA WAGNER

https://cpcourt.pikecounty.oh.gov/eservices/searchresults.page?x=3WGpt6qqsfZX7u0Day7sUwrfkIfv3W*P0CSzhATFV1X*tNveAYZcDmksWAM*e-w*jWGBI6xpnWOPZZMndV11ig

 

[blackbeary]

I'd figured FW and RW would be called. I'd forgotten about the gifting of the truck. I wonder if, in addition to their Uncle RW, they'll call their cousin KW? Wasn't it KW, that G4, was supposed to have gifted the truck? I'd be livid. I'd also be feel so humiliated to have to face the R/HHG families. Makes me wonder if he/they had some sort of ill feelings toward her and her family. It sure doesn't seem like a gracious act.

I remember reading somewhere that KW is on the list to be called to testify, and I wondered why ? Then I heard AC's opening statements, about where the truck ended up..
There are not many people attending the trial, maybe once they are called to testify, they can attend, or maybe they don't want anything to do with them since JW & AW confessed? CN was devastated and duped by the W's.

 

[Niner]

for Wed., 10/19/22

Agent James Barlow from the ATF. Firearms enforcement officer


James Pilcher
@jamespilcher
·
10h
It was made out of a 2 D-cell Mag-lite flashlight. @local12
Device had also been melted at some point.

Says device found at former Wagner home cistern was definitely used as a silencer. Also says an oil filter can be used as a silencer.

But he says a Mag-lite flashlight works better than an oil filter as a silencer.

Asks what kind of homemade silencer to be put on a .762 by 39 mm rifle? He says a maglite would be better, but a spin on filter would be faster and easier.

Taking 15 minute break at this point. Back at 3:30.

ATF's Barlow going through reason for using a silencer. One is to obviously reduce noise and alerting people to gunfire - at night - want to be under the radar and not alerted to your presence.

Would work even better inside as it wouldn't alert other people in a house - used to avoid detection in the military.

Prosecutor Rob Junk now walking Barlow through all the things the Wagners bought especially drill bits - says can be used to help create silencers.

All the sizes of the drill bits and the thread size devices the Wagners bought could be used for silencer, Barlow says. Solvent trap combo for 2 D cell flashlight as well. Firearm silencer marketed as solvent trap - not approved by ATF.

We finished at 4 with no cross from the defense.




link: https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

 

[Niner]

Thursday, October 20th:
*Trial continues (Day 27) (@ 9am ET) - OH - Pike County 8 people dead: Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (40), his ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden (37), their three children, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden (20), Christopher Jr. (16), Hanna Mae (19); Frankie's fiancée, Hannah Hazel Gilley (20), Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, Kenneth Rhoden (44), & a cousin, Gary Rhoden (37). Hanna Rhoden's baby girl (5 days old), another baby (6 mos.) & a young child (3) were unharmed. (April 21-22, 2016, Pebbles) – for *George Washington Wagner IV (27/now 31) (Jakes’ bro) indicted (11/12/18), arrested (11/13/18), charged (11/15/18) & arraigned (11/28/18) with 8 counts aggravated murder, (plus gun specifications on each), 1 count of 1st degree conspiracy, 4 counts of 1st degree aggravated burglary, 1 count of 5th degree unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, 3 counts of 3rd degree evidence tampering, 1 count of 5th degree forgery, 1 count of 5th degree unauthorized use of computer or telecommunications, 1 count of 4th degree interception of wire, oral or electronic communication, 1 count of 5th degree obstructing justice, & 1 count of 1st degree engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will seek the DP. Per Jake’s plea agreement, DP is off the table if his testimony is truthful.
Trial began on 8/29/22 with final jury selection & the jury was seated on 8/30/22. 12 Jurors & 6 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 6 alternates: (5 women & 1 man). 9/30/22: Ill juror replaced with alternate. 12 jurors & 5 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 5 alternates (4 women & 1 man).
Trial began with opening statements began on Monday, 9/12/22. (Trial is scheduled for 30 days).
Crime info & court hearings from 11/28/18 thru 9/6/22 & Trial Day 1-25 (9/12 to 10/18/22) reference post #5 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...e-4-members-wagner-family-arrested-78.640545/
10/19/22 Wednesday, Trial Day 26: State witness: BCI forensic accountant supervisor Michael Kaizar, back on stand.
for more info see post #15 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...e-4-members-wagner-family-arrested-78.640545/
for more info see post #30 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...mbers-wagner-family-arrested-78.640545/page-2
for more info see post #69 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...mbers-wagner-family-arrested-78.640545/page-4
State witness: BCI Special Agent Ryan Scheiderer, lead investigator.
for more info see post #113 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...mbers-wagner-family-arrested-78.640545/page-6
State witness: Former BCI agent Bryan White, now lieutenant with Madison Co. Sheriff.
for more info see post #157 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...mbers-wagner-family-arrested-78.640545/page-8
State witnesses: BCI agent Bryan White. Franklin Co. Sheriff Deputy Shaun Floyd, on the dive team for that agency.
for more info see post #178 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...mbers-wagner-family-arrested-78.640545/page-9
State witness: BCI Special Agent Ryan Scheiderer. Agent James Barlow from the ATF. Firearms enforcement officer.
for more info see post #184 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-78.640545/page-10
State witness: Agent James Barlow.
for more info see post #195 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-78.640545/page-10
for more info see post #267 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-78.640545/page-14
Trial continues on Thursday, 10/20/22.

 

[blackbeary]

I think tomorrow is the day we hear the big rig recordings. I am not sure what else would be next after this suppressor is found. We know we have those recordings to come and the arrests were just shortly after finding this suppressor. I think we will finish this week with recordings from the big rig, maybe some recordings from the jail calls? Wasn't there a person in jail with Angela that came forward? I am not sure how RN fits in with all this because she hasn't been called yet, maybe she won't be?? I am leaning toward next week being the big week we hear from Jake and Angela and then the defense getting their turn in Nov.

Edited: It was pointed out I have the wrong person here with RN.. I meant FW Billy's mother. Thank you @Skully67 for pointing this out!

Speaking of RN, did she sign HR's name and stamp the custody papers, or did AW do it, and RN was lying to BCI telling them she witnessed the girls signing the papers? This is really confusing ‍
Was TWC's custody papers faked, also?
Were the W4's attempting to get custody of TWC's other baby, too? (The drugging.)

 

[rsd1200]

I remember reading somewhere that KW is on the list to be called to testify, and I wondered why ? Then I heard AC's opening statements, about where the truck ended up..
There are not many people attending the trial, maybe once they are called to testify, they can attend, or maybe they don't want anything to do with them since JW & AW confessed? CN was devastated and duped by the W's.

I think you may be right. CN didn't stay that day, and hasn't been back. I can see them not wanting to be there. Even RJN hasn't shown back up for her grandson. A grandparent. It would be hard to accept but she knows.

 

[Lacus Perseverantiae]

I think you may be right. CN didn't stay that day, and hasn't been back. I can see them not wanting to be there. Even RJN hasn't shown back up for her grandson. A grandparent. It would be hard to accept but she knows.

RJN opted-out of audio and video during her testimony. If she's avoiding the media, I don't find it surprising she hasn't shown back up in court. The YouTube livestreams of the trial easily show the audience/observers.

 

[Betty P]

Speaking of RN, did she sign HR's name and stamp the custody papers, or did AW do it, and RN was lying to BCI telling them she witnessed the girls signing the papers? This is really confusing ‍
Was TWC's custody papers faked, also?
Were the W4's attempting to get custody of TWC's other baby, too? (The drugging.)

RN admitted she forged custody documents with HRs name. TWCs custody case went through court, so not forged. Wagners threatened her, so she gave up custody.

 

[iridized]

I think you may be right. CN didn't stay that day, and hasn't been back. I can see them not wanting to be there. Even RJN hasn't shown back up for her grandson. A grandparent. It would be hard to accept but she knows.

Unless they have been released by the judge they are subject to recall and not allowed in the courtroom.

OT, this year's flu shot knocked me down for three days. Once again it looks like I missed lots of stuff.

 

[StrangeOne]

These are the ones I have found:
Chris Sr., Hannah Gilley, Frankie, Kenneth, Gary.

Thank you!!!

 

[iulia]

Oh and Nash's "yeahhh, yeahhh" is so annoying

This is the first trial I’ve ever followed and I don’t know what’s normal and what is not, but this has been bothering me a lot, along with the way he says “riiight”. It may be the way he talks in general, but it sounds very inappropriate to me, especially coming from an attorney. I‘ve never lived in an English speaking country so maybe it’s just me..

 

[IType]

Speaking of RN, did she sign HR's name and stamp the custody papers, or did AW do it, and RN was lying to BCI telling them she witnessed the girls signing the papers? This is really confusing ‍
Was TWC's custody papers faked, also?
Were the W4's attempting to get custody of TWC's other baby, too? (The drugging.)

AW forged HR's and RN's signatures and used RN's notary stamp without RN's knowledge.

 

[ohioexpat63]

This is the first trial I’ve ever followed and I don’t know what’s normal and what is not, but this has been bothering me a lot, along with the way he says “riiight”. It may be the way he talks in general, but it sounds very inappropriate to me, especially coming from an attorney. I‘ve never lived in an English speaking country so maybe it’s just me..

I dont know why he does that. Parker does something similar, especially when a witness corrects him. I don't think it is you.

 

[rsd1200]

BW may or may not have "broke" his back but I think it's probably safe to say he suffered from back pain. Or at minimum, he claimed he did. Billy claimed a lot of things.

Does it really matter who MOVED the bodies? IMO, all that matters is the jury believes WHO WAS INSIDE CR’s HOUSE. Whoever was in the house was a party to the murders. Full stop.

As of now, all we (and the jury) have is shoe print evidence plus what we heard in opening statements as to who the prosecution believes was in the house: BW, JW, and GW.

Maybe the state can't physically put GW's foot in those shoes, inside CR's house but what they HAVE shown is 1) the footprints matched the sku # of the shoes on the receipt, the receipt found in W-4 family possessions, 2) the receipt matched the video placing Angela at Wal-Mart making the purchase and 3) that video (plus AW's statement during questioning in Montana) placed GW & JW in the vehicle, in the Wal-Mart parking lot, when Angela made the purchase.

Yes, the shoe print is circumstantial evidence but it's pretty darn solid circumstantial evidence nonetheless.

MOO.

I'd have to have more than the shoe print, but we know that there was an SKS listed under GW4's name, on JW's wish list Even though, it's not putting him at the site, and is not proof positive he was there. Combined with that though, if I had to go by what I know so far, CN's testimony would tip me over the edge if I had to make a call, this moment, based on what we've seen so far. He's known him longer than anyone, with the exception of his brother and parents, and I'd say that he knows him better, on a personal level. His entire testimony showed that GW4 was physically capable of grunt work, and, that he was an excellent shot. Skilled at hunting, and patient. Willing to sit in a tree, and wait for a deer to come by, if it took all day. If it wasn't the right deer, willing to wait for the the right deer. I think he's the only one out of the four who could stand on their own, but he may very well have been the only one with the intelligence and patience for parts of this. JM2

Edit: Not to mention, he'd not wish to share a space with G4 again. CN knows in his heart. He just wants a jury to say so. Again, jm2

 

[rebelchild]

This is the first trial I’ve ever followed and I don’t know what’s normal and what is not, but this has been bothering me a lot, along with the way he says “riiight”. It may be the way he talks in general, but it sounds very inappropriate to me, especially coming from an attorney. I‘ve never lived in an English speaking country so maybe it’s just me..

It's definitely not just you .. he rubs me the wrong way too! The way he speaks to professionals as if they are children .. his condescending tone of voice .. the way he rolls his eyes while listening to testimony .. I'm just glad he is not questioning me. He would certainly be meeting his match if so.

 

[Betty P]

AW forged HR's and RN's signatures and used RN's notary stamp without RN's knowledge.

We'll get this straightened out some day, haha. Had this discussion the other day. Unfortunately, AW and her mother have lied so many times, its hard to figure out which story is true.