OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #78

[rescuemom]

I think it is fair to say that these various credit cards in the names of the family members could often be used by another member of the family to actually order online or to purchase items in person. I often let my grandchildren use my credit card to purchase items online and at stores with my permission. Now, even in person, merchants rarely ask for IDs to prove card belongs to them. If JW's card was used, AW or GW or BW could have actually made the purchase. Unless and until one or more of the defendants testify I don't think we'll ever know who actually purchased any item. JMO

 

[twall]

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Pike Co. does not have a jail so they are housed in other facilities. If you look at their court dockets the jail they are currently housed in is listed as their address. RSD is correct in their reply with the exception GW4 is being housed in Scioto Co. during his trial.

https://cpcourt.pikecounty.oh.gov/eservices/search.page.15?x=lwl6NvBbzIq4N0VO4Ig5ew

edited for spelling

 

[sunshineray]

See if this link works. You would place the floor higher up to make more room underneath, the stack hay bales on top to look like a full load of hay.

https://external-preview.redd.it/16ecE_q_Ijwzp4oprzFMqnWLb9GFkOUOKv2nsbc8FlU.jpg?auto=webp&s=4b4ee0209850ee7f5ff207c757d7db19bf71ad28

How much heavier was GWIV at the time? I can see JW fitting under there just fine but GWIV's a much bigger guy, must of been a very tight squeeze for him.

 

[Chelly]

I don't see that at all, there are questionable insurance claims which fall under other evidence acts but I wouldn't call that a criminal enterprise, AW either didn't or wouldn't work, BW had had enough of the whole family and had run home to mummy, after Bethel Rd burnt down and they got the insurance money he was out of there, GW and JW bought a home, BW left his boys to provide for their mother,
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BW finances were tied in with FW according to witness, JW and GW and AW were tied together because AW needed their money as she didn't work so had no income

Forensic accountant continues to testify that Wagner accounts, in his experience, indicated criminal activity. Those statements are in his testimony.

 

[dgfred]

I am thinking 40-50 lbs or even more.

 

[almond]

See if this link works. You would place the floor higher up to make more room underneath, then stack hay bales on top to look like a full load of hay.

https://external-preview.redd.it/16ecE_q_Ijwzp4oprzFMqnWLb9GFkOUOKv2nsbc8FlU.jpg?auto=webp&s=4b4ee0209850ee7f5ff207c757d7db19bf71ad28

The truck beds have indentions where you can place 2x6 boards across the bed, or build like in the picture.

Hey Col, If I remember correctly Jake said that they "slithered" out of the truck to do the shooting.

 

[sunshineray]

This forensic accountant didn't even know about JW's GoFundMe account!? Why would he be given that info by investigators?

 

[ColMustard]

How much heavier was GWIV at the time? I can see JW fitting under there just fine but GWIV's a much bigger guy, must of been a very tight squeeze for him.

It could have quite a bit of room if the false bottom is built high up on the truck bed. Look at how many immigrants they can stuff in a truck bed.

You lie down on your belly and shoot from a prone position.

 

[Niner]

BCI forensic accountant Michael Kaizar

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One of the oil filters initially credited to George's account actually was Billy's account as well.

Asks about tax data - says Angela reported some income but it was minimal. And the sons paid the utilities.

That's all for cross now going to 15 minute break. Redirect afterward.

Back in session - prosecution redirect of BCI forensic accountant Michael Kaizar

Going over all the transfers into George's credit card from the account controlled by Billy and Angela.

There was transfer from Fredericka Wagner of $33,000 payable to George Wagner IV into account he shared with mother Angela.

This was in January 2014 - 10 days later, $25,880 was transferred to George and Jake Wagner's account.

Prosecutor again went into specifics on purchases on George's account. And Kaizar says transfers show the connectivity of the family finances.

On re-cross defense lawyer Nash again brings up the fact that the family didn't have one account for all four of them. Kaizar also says he doesn't know when George was working on the road or at home.

He never went out and looked at actual items purchased only passed on what he thought was significant to investigators. Also fuel filter was less significant if it was to vehicle he owns.

On another re-direct - large transfers again - he didn't know what they were for. @local12
Electronics purchased were significant? Yes. He's done with testimony. Will start a new thread.





link: https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

 

[sunshineray]

Hey Col, If I remember correctly Jake said that they "slithered" out of the truck to do the shooting.

That's kind of what I was vaguely remembering. Then they positioned temselves, and this could be totally wrong, under BW's truck?

 

[rsd1200]

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Pike county is, traditionally, not super accurate, (note month of March, above) so I've listed each jail link.

Some require a captcha to be passed, then enter the inmate's name.


Angela - Delaware DELAWARECOUNTYSHERIFF.COM

Edward Jake Wagner Franklin County County Sheriff's Office

George 3 Butler County, Ohio - Persons Currently In Custody

GW4 is not showing up at Montgomery nor Ross (both of which he's been listed at before, however, he is being transported regularly, to and from court, so that would not be unusual in a high profile murder case)

 

[ColMustard]

Forensic accountant continues to testify that Wagner accounts, in his experience, indicated criminal activity. Those statements are in his testimony.

All those payouts from Ohio Casualty, and previous testimony by TC or CN (?), it looks like Ws were burning hayfields and collecting. Among other scams.

 

[ColMustard]

Hey Col, If I remember correctly Jake said that they "slithered" out of the truck to do the shooting.

Maybe they did, just wiggle out and off the tailgate and onto the ground.

 

[almond]

That's kind of what I was vaguely remembering. Then they positioned temselves, and this could be totally wrong, under BW's truck?

That's how I remember it Sunshine. They "slithered" out when Billy & Chris went to look at the grow.

 

[dgfred]

Heck... that doesn't look very hard to do. Even my non-handyman self might could do that. Haha

 

[almond]

Maybe they did, just wiggle out and off the tailgate, onto the ground.

I remember AC emphasizing the word Slithered.

 

[twall]

All those payouts from Ohio Casualty, and previous testimony by TC or CN (?), it looks like Ws were burning hayfields and collecting. Among other scams.

I hope someone from the insurance company testifies, I would like to know what they were claiming.

 

[dgfred]

Snakes do slither.

 

[ColMustard]

I remember AC emphasizing the word Slithered.

I've just been thinking in terms that Jake is a liar. moo

 

[CIA Team Member]

Thinking back to the text messages between AW & BW, I’m not so sure BW left sons to provide for their mother so much as AW refused to leave said sons - and especially their small children, her grandchildren. She wanted the littles, she couldn’t take the littles away from their fathers so she very obviously chose them over her husband.

Also - I am in NO WAY defending AW but she was responsible for keeping her grandchildren 24/7 while their fathers worked & were on the road for days at a time, providing housekeeping & saving them daycare & babysitting fees. Of course, they didn’t “believe” in leaving their children with babysitters or even public/private school (or even biological mothers) but that’s another piece of the puzzle.

And not defending BW but what man wants to live in a house where his wife is tucking in their adult son(s?) & rubbing their backs in bed while soliciting sexual advisement (testimony by TW)

The W-4s aren’t your everyday dysfunctional family. There’s many complex layers to the dysfunction. No one piece of evidence or testimony is going to convict GW but there’s no denying a very ugly big picture is coming into focus.

Agree on all points.