OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #79

[Ann99]

GW is looking very pale. Imo.

Yes, G4 looks very pale. Parker will not look at G 4
Nash looks like he is viewing a horror movie.
Everyone at Defense Table is exhibiting extremely nervous mannerisms, fidgeting, squirming, etc.

 

[iulia]

Yes, G4 looks very pale. Parker will not look at G 4
Nash looks like he is viewing a horror movie.
Everyone at Defense Table is exhibiting extremely nervous mannerisms, fidgeting, squirming, etc.

To be fair, I don't think we've had the change to watch them so closely before, as many witnesses opted in, and at the beginning of the trial when a witness opted out we only got to see the dreaded painting.
I think Mr Parker has a very strong poker face, can't get much there, Mr Nash on the other hand is giving us something to work with..

 

[justtrish]

Yes, G4 looks very pale. Parker will not look at G 4
Nash looks like he is viewing a horror movie.
Everyone at Defense Table is exhibiting extremely nervous mannerisms, fidgeting, squirming, etc.

It shouldn't be a surprise to them.. they had a 12 hour recorded proffer to know what was going to be said.

Maybe what is making them nervous is Jake is believable... just like Beth was. Maybe they can see how the jury is reacting and it's got them shaking in their shoes... or should I say shaking in their ugly Walmart tennis shoes.

 

[Tillicum]

Yes, G4 looks very pale. Parker will not look at G 4
Nash looks like he is viewing a horror movie.
Everyone at Defense Table is exhibiting extremely nervous mannerisms, fidgeting, squirming, etc.

They've made very few objections today compared to the rest of the trial.

 

[arielilane]

Never thought I'd be watching a silent video.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

"On a 15 minute break. Jake testified that George helped build the fake bottom for the truck bed, and tagged along and was dressed with ski mask gloves and the shoes his mother bought just like he was."

B I N G O!! See ya GWIV , wouldn't wanna be ya!

If you go back to the original charges, there is also the firearm specification for Aggravated Murder and Aggravated Burglary that "George Washington Wagner IV had a firearm on or about his person or under his control." This does not say George4 shot anyone but rather that he had a firearm in being engaged in these killings and burglaries. Other counts also mention the fact of being armed (not the fact of shooting someone--just being armed.

And, another reading of the indictments is that GW4 "caused the death" of the various victims. That also doesn't require shooting. That's whatever he did to contribute to the group effort that led to 8 people dead is in fact "Aggravated Murder."

 

[iulia]

Never thought I'd be watching a silent video.

Of all days when I get to really watch the trial and not play catch up..

 

[Pru2U]

It would be great to tag team! I don't need to be right. lol. Let me know on any given day if you plan to pull a specific journalists' tweets and I will leave those alone. My goal is to get the info out there and more importantly help Niner.

I'm getting ready to walk the dog & may not make it back in time today if they break early. I can/will commit to pulling Courtney's in the morning.

@Niner FYI

 

[justtrish]

I bet they go later today. It has to be a lot to get Jake brought in each day. I would think it would be in the best interest of all to get as much done each day he is there so not to have to add extra days due to cutting out early.

 

[arielilane]

No updates yet

 

[iulia]

Did the cross examination start already? Mr Parker left the defense table.

 

[Dudly]

I've asked before here if defense lawyers even bother to ask the defendant to tell them what happened or if they prefer to not ask and see all the evidence then fit their own narrative to that. I mean at what point can a defense lawyer not defend a client if they think they are guilty.

It's one thing to attempt to get a fair trial for someone and to pick apart evidence to put down in the jurors minds and it's another thing entirely to know your client is guilty and then attempt to present a defense that tells a different story. That shouldn't be allowed. If they believe he did it or he's made inconsistent statements to them, then they try to say he wasn't there or he had no idea.. how can that be allowed? If he has told them nothing and they prefer it that way so they can defend him with a clean conscious then that I could see. So I am curious if the George had to sit down and tell them a story or if he just let them request the evidence and wait for it to come in and then find ways to put holes in the story without even telling a story of what George says.

I read one time that Defense attorneys do not ask if their client is guilty. They don’t want to know. Can’t say that is fact. MOO

 

[twall]

What is Parker doing? Up, down, up, down

 

[skyedaze]

I just want to "hear" who shot Hannah R in the face with her baby right there. Did that happen already? I'm off this week and was looking forward to listening to this trial...not looking forward to only looking at it, lol

 

[Cool Cats]

Todd Dykes
@ToddDykesWLWT

1h
Jake just described, in vivid detail, shooting and killing Chris Rhoden Sr., the first of 8 Rhoden loved ones killed in April 2016. Jake said George Wagner was supposed to shoot Chris Sr. but basically froze. So Jake said he pulled the trigger himself. #WLWT

1h
More updates later. Have to head back up to the courtroom to secure my seat. It's gotten really crowded. #WLWT

https://twitter.com/x/status/1584575792209887234

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[Pru2U]

It would be great to tag team! I don't need to be right. lol. Let me know on any given day if you plan to pull a specific journalists' tweets and I will leave those alone. My goal is to get the info out there and more importantly help Niner.

I'm getting ready to walk the dog & may not make it back in time today if they break early. I can/will commit to pulling Courtney's in the morning.

@Niner FYI

 

[ohioexpat63]

What is Parker doing? Up, down, up, down

He looks angry

 

[sunshineray]

GW is looking very pale. Imo.

He looks like he's really clenching his jaw and glaring at JW every now and again. Must be talking about the road trips they all made together and how GWIV in his "ugly tennis shoes" stood guard over CRJR's room, gun in hand, as JW shot DR, then HR, then back again to DR before JW came and went into CRJR's bedroom.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

from Angenete Levy, on Twitter. I used Twitter's Thread Reader APP.
Lunch break in OH v. #GeorgeWagnerIV as Jake Wagner, who opted OUT, testifies against his brother. Jake is wearing a tan jail shirt marked INMATE on the back and blue plans. Shacked at wrists and ankles. @LawCrimeNetwork
Jake sits at the stand. Looks at his brother, GW4. I am sitting behind George so I can't tell whether George looked back or not. But, Jake has looked him several times. Sometimes George's head is down @LawCrimeNetwork
Angie Canepa asks him how long he's been incarcerated. He says nearly 4 years. He describes how the family intentionally burned down buildings at the Bethel Hill Rd. property where they'd lived for 20 years. @LawCrimeNetwork
When they bought the farm at Peterson Rd., they put it in George and Jake's name because their insurance history and credit was "clean." He said everyone at knew he Bethel Hill Rd. fires were set intentionally. Moved items out of the house and stored at Chris Rhoden Sr.'s property and elsewhere. He said after the murders, he volunteered to intentionally wreck GW4's truck for the insurance $$$ b/c it was going to be too expensive to repair the engine. He said his uncle, Chris Newcomb, @LawCrimeNetwork
knew the wreck was going to happen. Chris N. had testified the wreck wasn't intentional "on my part." He said he nearly died during the wreck. Jake said he went to public school for a month otherwise was home-schooled @LawCrimeNetwork
Jake is asked if he loves his brother. He says yes. He said it's difficult for him to be here today when asked. When he said he loves GW4, he looks at him. He said he believes GW4 loves him. Would love nothing more than @LawCrimeNetwork
his brother, mom and dad to be able to go home. He said he was close to his mom, Angela, but closer to George. Closeish to his dad, Billy. He said he and GW4 would go hunting, fishing, ride ATV's. @LawCrimeNetwork
GW4 was more the avid hunter because it was "more of a science for him", food plots, migration, etc. He said they poached deer and did spotlighting, shining a light the eyes of deer to stun them and kill them. @LawCrimeNetwork
Family shopped mostly at Wal-Mart, Kroger, Bass Pro Shops and Cabella's. He would buy items at BassPro because he got points on his credit card. They helped each other pay off debts and he and GW4 shared a bank account @LawCrimeNetwork
Each member of he family could use the others' account even if they weren't a co-signer. They had family meetings where decisions were made, took votes in the kitchen. If it related to Jake, he had the final say. @LawCrimeNetwork

Jake said he,George and Billy stole things but they would do it in a way that it hurt someone as little as possible. They would steel from a truck transporting goods for a big company rather than an individual b/c items were insured and driver wouldn't be hurt @LawCrimeNetwork
They stole fuel, lumber, appliances, things to use on the farm. First met Hanna May at the 4-H barn of the Pike Co. Fair in 2013. Hanna asked him if he wanted to pet her bunny. It was black and white. @LawCrimeNetwork
Hanna was 13. Jake was 17. Jake asked her parents, Dana and Chris Sr. for permission to date her. Sophia was born on November 18, 2013 at 2:30 p.m., he said. @LawCrimeNetwork
Hanna May lived with them more after Sophia was born. He was asked about an incident where he choked Hanna May. He said he didn't choke her. She didn't want to do her chore of mowing the lawn. She stormed off and he held his arm on her collar bone. @LawCrimeNetwork
Jake says "She was lazy in her responsibilities." She was acting like my brother's ex-wife" (Tabitha). He said he held Hanna May with his arm on her collar bone until she calmed down. Said it lasted less than 5 minutes. @LawCrimeNetwork
Jake didn't want their relationship to end but it did in Feb. 2015. Hanna May started dating Charlie Gilley and later Corey Holdren. He said Sophia told him about them looking her in their bedroom with them for hours. @LawCrimeNetwork
He said Sophia told him that Corey locked her in a bedroom for hours and she screamed and no one rescued her. He said S screamed for him and he never came to "rescue" her." Sophia would cling to his leg and Dana said "She's just being a brat." @LawCrimeNetwork

Jake said there was a history of rape in his mother's family, Hanna May's family and Tabitha's. Jake said he was worried Sophia would be molested. He confronted Hanna May about it and he said she responded "if it happens we'll deal with it." @LawCrimeNetwork
Jake says he consulted a lawyer about a custody arrangements and wanting something drawn up but Hanna May was stalling and claimed she was consulting her dad's lawyer in Columbus. Jake didn't believe her.
End of 2015, his mom made him aware of the convo between Hanna May and Tabi's mom where Hanna said she would only sign custody papers "over my dead body" according to Jake.
Angela told him about this in private. He knew Angela was monitoring Tabi and her mom's Facebook accounts to see if Tabi was going to try to get custody of Bulvine.
"I felt I had, I had decided I had no other choice but to kill Hanna," Jake said. However, Billy first made the suggestion and he said he would never do that b/c she was the mother of his child and stormed off.
Billy said the only option would be to kill Hanna May or Sophia. That was January 2016. Jake said he was still hesitant but Hanna May saying "we'll deal with it" if S was molested was "my tipping point."
JAKE
Jake said his suggestion was to kill Corey and Hanna May and make it look like a murder-suicide - as if Corey killed H and then took his own life. Billy said "if you kill Hanna you have to kill Chris Sr., Frankie and Kenneth" b/c "they'll come after you like a sniper on a hill. They'd have to kill HANNAH Hazel Gilley and Gary Rhoden, he said b/c they lived in the same houses as the others and they could have "witnesses, would be the proper word."
Jake said Billy said he would take care of the timing and surrounding events of the homicide. Jake was supposed to get a vehicle and silencers. A vehicle not their own.
Initially, Jake was going to use a Ruger 1022 and Billy would use a Baretta 92. But, in trial and error with the silencer, the Ruger 1022 was destroyed. The SKS belonged to George.
Jake tried to make silencers out of two flashlights - an off-brand ordered off Amazon and then a Maglite. The off-brand flash lights aluminum was too thin. Jake believes they were blue. On Baretta, silencer malfunctioned in final stage of construction
Tossed Maglite in the burn barrel and the other items thrown in a dumpster. (This is odd b/c Maglite found in cistern). Jake then decided to use Colt 1911.22 And Billy a 40 Glock.
The Baretta was given back to Billy. Jake says he is not aware of grips purchased for the Baretta. Jake then decided to use standard oil filters to make silencers. Weld it to SKS and screws on with standard threading?

Jake says he ordered drill bits, taps and dyes to help build a silencer. Also bought freeze plugs. These items purchased in March 2016. Bought a Chevy pick-up, late 90's and early 2000's for $1,500-$2K from Uncle Todd.
The sale happened in the driveway of Peterson Rd. Uncle Todd, Uncle Gus, Jake and GW4 were all there for the transaction. 3 weeks before murders.
Lunch break called after this. Jake looked over at George several times throughout testimony. He also asked Angie Canepa to repeat some question. He awkwardly fumbled around with a small bottle of water to get a sip while handcuffed.
Also before the break, an exhibit was displayed showing the family's list of guns found on Jake's phone. He said it was last modified in May 2015.
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[Cool Cats]

Reporter Mike Schell
has been in the courtroom listening to testimony all day. He'll be live outside the courthouse with all the latest developments at 4

Mike Schell
@Fox19_Mike
Journalist