OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #81

[Pru2U]

Also, see opening statements re. AW admissions to the prosecutor posted up-thread. Revisited Thursday -- good refresher..

Courtney Francisco
@CFranciscoWCPO

He told jurors he thought Hanna gave up her parenting standards. Although, he said he would have taken her back even though she was pregnant with another man's baby. He went so far as to ask her to pretend it was his baby.
9:17 AM · Oct 28, 2022

Thanks. I listened to OS twice recently, I guess I was focused on something else. I don't remember the part about AW not wanting HR to bring new baby into her house.

 

[gizmobtj]

I understood Jake made this accusation when he used EA's phone on their wedding night. He googled something "witch" related and google suggested witchcraft, spells, etc., which he took to mean that EW had visited such sites previously and became suspicious. Later when they were in Missouri, during a game of 21 questions, EA admitted she joined a cult as a teen. I didn't see anything referencing the Amish in the accusation per the Tweets. MOO

Ah. This explains Nash's question about her exploring many different religions.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I'm not seeing evidence against George yet, other than Jake's testimony, except he signed fake custody documents.

I would love to write out a list of evidence that directly ties George to the murders but can't come up with anything without Jake confirming George's involvement.

What am I missing? Is there an overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence against George that could convict him without Jake's testimony? And then Angela's testimony will probably implicate George as well.

I could write out a long list of how Jake implicates George in the murders.

I wish someone would list all the evidence against George that doesn't come from Jake.

I guess for me it's sort of simple. I believe that it was a conspiracy the 4 of them cooked up. They took different roles but planned it together. Billy, Jake and George went to the 4 homes together and left together. They got home together and burned the clothes together.

What supports this for me is how much criming the family did from the time the kids were small. Theft, arson, burglary, drugs, frauds of various kinds. All of them, from Angela selling puppies from the pound to the others to burning their own house down, they stuck together, never turned anyone in. Jake's testimony was that he was taught how to hide evidence the way my dad taught me how to wash a car properly. These are criminals. It makes no sense that any of them would go out to murder 8 (or more, had anyone else been there) people without taking the others as backup, if nothing else. Really, there's not all that much evidence against JAKE, other than his confession. Without his testimony and whatever Angela told them, all the state would have is that 4 people planned this, carried it out, and covered it up.

And finally, I don't see George as all that much different than Jake in how he treated his wife, the selfish way he wanted to sever her ties with their child, and how he would allow his mother to bully and threaten her.

 

[justtrish]

I guess for me it's sort of simple. I believe that it was a conspiracy the 4 of them cooked up. They took different roles but planned it together. Billy, Jake and George went to the 4 homes together and left together. They got home together and burned the clothes together.

What supports this for me is how much criming the family did from the time the kids were small. Theft, arson, burglary, drugs, frauds of various kinds. All of them, from Angela selling puppies from the pound to the others to burning their own house down, they stuck together, never turned anyone in. Jake's testimony was that he was taught how to hide evidence the way my dad taught me how to wash a car properly. These are criminals. It makes no sense that any of them would go out to murder 8 (or more, had anyone else been there) people without taking the others as backup, if nothing else. Really, there's not all that much evidence against JAKE, other than his confession. Without his testimony and whatever Angela told them, all the state would have is that 4 people planned this, carried it out, and covered it up.

And finally, I don't see George as all that much different than Jake in how he treated his wife, the selfish way he wanted to sever her ties with their child, and how he would allow his mother to bully and threaten her.

We did get to hear George on those recorded calls. He was putting terror into his child about bad people taking him away. The calls with his mother where he just sounds so... not sure the word. He seems paranoid about the BCI agent following him, but yet proud of himself that he figured it out. He was looking for it because he's paranoid. He was also going on and on about the border crossing and how he wasn't flagged and so on.

Then we hear his mom telling him all about this house up in Alaska, no neighbors and it was in his name. No questions or protests to this. He was not trying to separate from his family. It seems he was right along, just as worried about putting fear in the kids, just as worried about being followed by BCI, not at all concerned that the house they were getting was going to be in his name. I see no difference in his behavior and that of his family.

His wife was ran off and he didn't stick up for her with his mother. He didn't leave that house and go life with his wife and son. He expected her to stay there with his family.

He texted his dad "don't come up here got company".

These are a few things that come to mind when I try to find any indication he wanted to leave that core group and be separate from them. His actions, his words, none of it shows anything other than George living it up with his parents and brother just like everyone has said they do.

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/Angenette5

Court in recess for weekend in OH v. #GeorgeWagnerIV . Lots to tweet about. Jake confirmed to Parker that he is known as Pastor Jake and Pastor Wagner in the jail.

Parker: You have to convince the state of Ohio that you are telling the truth? Jake: Yes.

Jake had earlier testified that Angela Wagner bred doodle dogs but when the fad got hot, they would go to puppy mills and pass off the dogs as pure bred

Lots of Q's on redirect and Parker ended with a bang on recross. Canepa basically asks Jake whether he told them what they wanted to hear of the truth? He said the truth.

Parker, on recross, asks "you're a stone cold killer?" Jake: I was Parker: you killed 8 people! Jake: I did. Parker: You sold your testimony to the state of Ohio to save your life? Jake: I provided truthful testimony

Parker: You sold that, didn't you? You didn't throw yourself on the mercy of the court with death specifications? Jake: That's one way to look at it.

Canepa asks a last Q. I missed it. Parker says when asked but Judge Deering: Any recross? Parker says: Take him away, Judge. No further questions and waves his hand dismissively.

More later on the day in OH v. #GeorgeWagnerIV

Also, at the end of the day, #GeorgeWagnerIV’s attorney asked for the death specifications to be removed from his agg murder charges. Prosecutor says they will discuss that but not in a public forum.

 

[rescuemom]

IMO, Parker's folksy, "good cop" treatment of Jake revealed little about GW, but he didn't ask either. He was filling/killing time and IMO, only revealed how stunted and ignorant JW is. He has distanced himself completely from what the 3Ws did that night. He has selected memory too, shocker there. Disgusting!!

 

[arielilane]

No updates from James since this am.

https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

 

[altojack]

The sound system is pretty good in the court. Jmo

Not at defence table, it's rather muffled and never crystal clear like it is on the Prosecutors table. Is it meant to be that way.

 

[Chris_p_bacon]

Having never attended public schools he never had any peer reactions, opinions, etc for him to weigh against anything AW and BW taught them.
Exactly, IMO, what AW wanted.

Yes. This is a good way to phrase how he started to become a phychopath or sociopath. He had no checks and balances.

 

[The 13th]

I knew JW would thrive in jail, and seems he is, he is even known as Pastor Jake, or Pastor Wagner,

SO GROSS! Getting his narcissistic supply. He is so gross and twisted.

 

[arielilane]

Friendly reminder: 10/28/2022 a.m. tweets can be found on thread #80, last four pages.

 

[LMDlong]

Sounds of what to me is someone shuffling papers. Who in the gallery has papers to continually shuffle???

I thought it sounded like a recording from a watch.

 

[arielilane]

JW is same loser that tried to take credit so baby K can still be feed, yet it was Hanna May who is a hero protecting her infant daughter as she is brutally murdered. IMO

BBM

Pike County murder trial: Evidence presented from scene where Hanna May, Chris Jr., Dana found dead

After an abrupt ending to proceedings Thursday, the trial of a man accused of killing eight people in Pike County in 2016 is expected to pick back up.

www.wcpo.com

In the prosecution's redirect, Canepa re-addressed that, pointing out that it was possible that Hanna turned, saw her killer and turned her back to them to protect the infant she was nursing. Looman agreed that was also a possibility. Hanna was, in the end, found lying on her right side with her shirt pulled up over her right breast, investigators and first responders have testified.

 

[arielilane]

Really unfair that plea deals were allowed. AW had every opportunity to halt the execution of eight people and failed to do so. IF AW was actually at home it takes a very cold and sick individual to wait it out until the execution is done and not attempt to stop it. Unbelievable. IMO

 

[rsd1200]

the most interesting testimony of the whole trial has been today for me, JW obsession with SW possibly being SA answers so many questions for me as to how easy he found killing HR SW mother and her family, he said he was consumed by these thoughts, and I have known people who have suffering horrendously with intrusive thoughts, to the extent they have been so debilitating that they have affected their whole life,

I think JW under the malign (I love to use that word when discussing AW) influence of AW grew up with a warped view of women and sex, IMO you were either *advertiser censored* or Madonna, AW saw herself as a Madonna obviously, he chose 2 inexperienced girls/women as his sexual partners, once SW was born AW was triggered due to her SA in the military and possibly SA as a child, they were surrounded by girls and women who had either been raped or had been sexually abused, and they both became obsessed that SW was also going to be a victim, they fed off each other with this obsession, JW compulsively had thoughts that she was going to be SA and only he could protect her,

IMO HR fate was sealed once she left JW and took her daughter away, he and AW from then on IMO became so fixated on protecting SW that killing 8 people didn't seem an extraordinary thing to do, anything would be done to protect SW and gain control of her so that only AW or JW would ever be allowed to look after her again,

I see this also, and it went so far as 'vine. AW didn't just put the fear into them about girls, she put the fear into them about boys, also. G4 nearly went off his rocker thinking that TC was there at the border. He, and I can't blame him, did not want his son around TC's family. The sexaual abuse she experienced could happen to him. If AW went through anything close, or worse, than what was ultimately exposed at Lackland AFB, and other military bases, then maybe that is why her way of thinking became such as it was, only that was horrible not only for her but her children, and then ultimately, on down the line to the murders. I doubt she ever got any treatment of any kind. The AF may have been what a lot of young girls thought the military might be for them, a way out of a small town, with no prospects and only poverty. She comes home, after being assaulted, and here's G3. He's big, loud, and can protect her with his size and his firearms. He's got access to money. A possible way out? No, just stuck more. Train the boys that sex is only for procreation and that any alternative forms will send you straight to Hell. Maybe they won't be like all those other "men". Warped thinking but we don't truly know what she went through and then went home to raising two children and basically still being indebted and impoverished and reliant on a male. I'm not excusing her role but I do try to see the mind of the perpetrator's. They were once young. Some, I am not so sure there is a reason behind their thinking, no matter if they were raised in a wonderful home, or a house of nightmares.

Just one AFB trainee who ultimately decided enough was enough.
Lackland AFB instructor's victim speaks of trauma, fear

 

[rsd1200]

Relative to the subpoena by defense counsel served on Jake's counsel allegedly for their notes related to JW's confession of his body count, no surprise that this request was quashed by the Judge for a couple of reasons: here, each defendant is charged with 8 counts of murder and in the prosecutors opening statement, AC states that the proffer agreement is for all 8 counts. Whether or not Jake confessed to killing none, 5, or 8 victims, under the statute, the charges remain the same. GW4's defense is very annoying. MOO

I'd want mine to be very annoying if I were facing the DP, and especially if I was not guilty (speaking for myself, b/c I've never murdered anyone, only thought mean thoughts about their denim skirt falling off in public. GASP! ).

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Let's try a thought experiment. What evidence have we seen that indicates the 8 victims were killed by the four Wagners in a conspiracy? When we pull out one member from that family, we get all tied up with what we have separate about that person. But what do we have that indicates these people as a group were the killers?

• the forged custody documents
• the pattern of verbal, emotional abuse and threats against the wives and Sophia's mother (direct testimony from 2 victims)
• the purchase of the shoes (receipts)
• the shell casings and ballistics
• the suppressor/silencers
• the guns found in the goose house
• the hacking of social media accounts of Tabitha, her mother, and Hanna, indicating that not only were the Wagners worried about not having full custody of Sophia, they feared Hanna would influence Tabitha
• the purchase of the murder truck
• the modification of the murder truck
• getting rid of the murder truck
• evidence of obsession about maintaining control and custody of minor children

I'd also include:
testimony from Tabitha and Jake about the extensive criminal activity of the Wagner family
testimony about the kitchen table decision-making of the family (3 sources)

My opinion only but there is overwhelming evidence that the Wagner FAMILY did these murders. And if George assisted, he's as guilty as everyone else. Please add, challenge, or correct as you see fit.

 

[rsd1200]

I wonder if that's because he didn't like his dad, or because his dad participated in the shooting? Or both?

I think they were all afraid of him at the root of it all. Who goes to blows with their father on a regular basis? G3 is all I love you, I love you, I love you, but can't have an actual conversation unless it's about how to break the law and cover for yourself. He's one of the big guys who realize they aren't.

 

[rsd1200]

DBM accidental double post

 

[abeaman02]

@henrikvanger2 aka Lilly in london has some interesting tweets of historical value. You might want to check them out.

There is information on there I have not seen anywhere else. Thank you