OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #83

[Pru2U]

Mike Schell @Fox19

PIKE COUNTY: Week 10 of the George Wagner IV murder trial begins. No jury/testimony today. State moving to admit over 1000 exhibits including autopsy, crime scene pics into the record. Defense can object. Anything not admitted can’t be considered by jury. ⁦

WATCH: Prosecution to rest in George Wagner IV’s murder trial

The trial has been going on for more than two months now

www.fox19.com

 

[Pru2U]

Live feed, Law & Crime Network

Dropping this in so I can quickly find it to check-in later. Wish I had unlimited internet so I could stream it on my drive home today.

Have a good day!

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/Angenette5

WATCH: OH v. #GeorgeWagnerIV - Attorneys to discuss exhibits and more. No jury today

 

[Nanasteele]

I think Tabbi was established in a new life with a husband and two other children. She may have hesitated to file for custody because she had her hands full already or her husband objected to supporting and raising a son that was not his own.

At any rate it looks like she was very reluctant to file for custody of BW and only did so when pushed by BCI.

JMO

When was it said she was reluctant to file for custody when pushed by BCI? I thought she automatically got custody when GW went to jail.

 

[Skully67]

really the question becomes is this ok? are we as a society ok with absolutely requiring evidence outside of common sense. if a murder is commited with no innocent witnesses, no dna is left behind, and no video evidence exists. is this murder now un-convictable without a confession? because this is what the wagners plan was and its what they almost accomplished. if jake had not cracked the other 3 may have gotten off . even though its 100 percent they killed 8 ppl the cumlative effect of defendents rights case law is just like the pass interference rules in the nfl. they keep adding restrictions. and it fundamentaly changes the game. every nfl fan knows its gotten much easier to complete a pass since the rules restricting contact to the wr. just like its gotten way easier to kill someone and be found not guilty or get a sweet plea bargain as a killer . difference is ones a game and the other is protecting peoples lives.

I know nothing about football so your references fell flat on me. Sorry. I do think GW4 is guilty...I just would like some solid evidence other then the testimony of 2 liars.

 

[Chelly]

@jamespilcher
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Good morning from Pike Co. murder trial of George Wagner IV. The prosecution is introducing all its evidence and resting its case today. Right now, lawyers are meeting off the record over which photos the defense may object to - then the judge will come back and decide.
@local12

 

[Betty P]

I know nothing about football so your references fell flat on me. Sorry. I do think GW4 is guilty...I just would like some solid evidence other then the testimony of 2 liars.

His shoeprints are at the crime scenes, his weapon was used, ballistics match. There's also the testimony of Jake's wife, who was a witness to the conversations and activities about the murders, the cover up, etc.

Remember, if GW4 is involved in any of those things, he's also guilty of Aggravated Murder. That's the law in Ohio.

 

[Betty P]

@jamespilcher
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9m

Good morning from Pike Co. murder trial of George Wagner IV. The prosecution is introducing all its evidence and resting its case today. Right now, lawyers are meeting off the record over which photos the defense may object to - then the judge will come back and decide.
@local12

As info, this is SOP. Nothing special, just routine process for officially submitting evidence.

 

[Chelly]

Catching up this morning. I am remembering the well-know quote by Daniel Patrick Moynihan: "You are entitled to your own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts." imo, this quote distinctly applies to this trial.

 

[Skully67]

What to know: Seven themes as defense takes over in Pike County murder trial

The defense in the George Wagner IV trial has begun its case. Here are seven themes that have emerged in the Pike County murder trial.

www.cincinnati.com

 

[Skully67]

His shoeprints are at the crime scenes, his weapon was used, ballistics match. There's also the testimony of Jake's wife, who was a witness to the conversations and activities about the murders, the cover up, etc.

Remember, if GW4 is involved in any of those things, he's also guilty of Aggravated Murder. That's the law in Ohio.

But do we know that's GW4s shoe print. And I thought we had a debate of whether it was his gun. I do think he participated in the cover up. Jmo.

 

[rescuemom]

I keep thinking back on the Clutter Family murders, committed Nov 15, 1959 by Perry Smith and Dick Hickok. A family of 4 innocent people murdered by total strangers in a home burglary gone bad. It was the subject of the book and movie “In Cold Blood”.

Police were able to convict Smith and Hickok based on a shoeprint in the victim’s blood and a confession in which Perry Smith accused Hickok of taking part in the shooting. No other evidence connected them to the shooting, yet both eventually confessed, were tried, convicted and executed.

That was sufficient evidence, back when a confession and testimony against an accomplice meant something. All the evidence was circumstantial. The jury wouldn’t have dreamed of setting free killers because they didn’t think a confession and testimony against an accomplice was enough.

Today some folks insist on DNA or nothing, a ridiculously high standard.

Clutter family murders - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Agree!!!!

 

[Pru2U]

I have made an effort to try to keep an open mind & consider other’s opinions since the trial started, or at least the opinions as I have read. Even with all that has been written here throughout the trial, there are things I can’t reconcile, mainly why JW & AW would lie about GW’s involvement; before, during or after.

Some here believe Jake taking DP off his sentence was his motivation to lie about GW however, Jake’s plea was for DP to be taken off for WHOLE FAMILY, not just himself. That tells me ALL 4 were directly involved in at least one phase of before, during & after and JAKE believed there was enough evidence to convict ALL 4. Jake also tried to lessen GW’s involvement. That alone tells me GW was there. Jake knew it, he knew BCI knew it and he knew Prosecution knew it. Jake didn’t sell-out GW. He tried to lessen his involvement.

Some think Angela bargaining for only 30 years was her motivation to throw GW under the bus. That doesn’t make sense to me. The very root off all this evil is Angela’s (Jake’s & George’s) obsession with the custody of the minors.

If George wasn’t involved, I believe with every fiber of my being AW & JW would have exonerated George if he were not present during the murders. They would have been insistent he wasn’t involved at all. The most important thing to them was keeping the minors safe and within the family. Both AW & JW would have wanted George free to take the children.

So it’s actually the plea bargaining that has convinced me George was there.

JMO

 

[dgfred]

Great post P!

 

[Betty P]

Possible witnesses that defense may call:

The other 10 possible witnesses who received subpoenas Sept. 30 include two who testified for the prosecution, at least two with ties to the local drug world and two in law enforcement.

• Samantha Staley, of Waverly, earlier testified that her father worked for Wagner IV’s grandmother, Fredericka Wagner. She was friends with both Wagner boys growing up. Alex Staley, with an address in Chillicothe, also got a subpoena. They were once married, according to a Facebook post.
• Jeff Tackett, of McDermott, earlier testified about the criminal lifestyle of Wagner IV’s father.
• Bernard Brown allowed the Wagners to store trucks and trailers filled with their possessions at his Peebles car business from mid-2017 to mid-2018, the year the family spent in Alaska.
• Skid Montgomery, of Piketon, and Vance Walls, of Bainbridge, have both been convicted on marijuana charges. Also subpoenaed were Shawn Walls, with the same address as Vance Walls and Nathan Walls, of Waverly.
• The defense also sent subpoenas to West Chester police Capt. Seth Hagaman, who questioned Wagner IV in the Rhoden case in 2017 when employed by the Bureau of Criminal Investigation, and Clinton Canter, a former corrections deputy in the Ross County Jail in Chillicothe where Wagner IV was held from his arrest in November 2018 until late 2021 or early 2022.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/crime/crime-and-courts/2022/11/10/pike-county-murder-trial-rhoden-family-george-wagner-defense/69626803007/

 

[arielilane]

In opening statement the defense stated that JW major witness for the prosecution will tell the court that GW4 neither helped plan nor pulled a trigger throughout any of the crimes committed on the night of 4/21.

He (Nash) pointed out that credibility for Angela and Jake as prosecution witnesses should be viewed with skepticism, because they took a deal.

However, JW testified that GW4 was present for the murders and GW4 helped build the false pick-up bed under which the brothers hid that night, that GW4 wore a ski mask and a pair of Walmart shoes and he possessed the SKS rifle that night.



AW testified that the entire family planned, prepared for, carried out and attempted to cover up the murders. AW testified that BW3 and both sons left the house together that night and returned the next morning. She stayed home with two (S&B) of her grandchildren, she said.

AW spoke with GW4 about the bloody footprints left at one of the crime scenes, because GW4 had told her he’d attempted to smudge them, but BW3 hurried him out of the room too quickly, telling him not to worry about it, come on.

Canepa (AC) asked AW whether she knew who was responsible for the footprints; she initially responded that she didn’t. AC asked her to read a transcript of the testimony she gave the prosecution during her plea deal, which AW stated sparked her memory. AW replied that GW4 told her the bloody footprints at the home were Chris Sr. and Gary were murdered were his.

AW testified: Billy doled out instructions on what to do leading up to the homicides, she said, including telling her to send texts from George and Jake's phones to make it look like they were home during the homicides.


Common sense tells you GW4 would be a participate, in action. Visualize it. I can see GW4 standing around not doing anything (makes no sense). No, he wasn't standing watch either. Adrenaline... fight or flight response. His make up shows he would fight for his family. "One for all, and all for one." Is JW lying about GW4 not shooting anybody in order to make sure he is a free man? Probable. Ws need a man out to keep control of the kids. Both GW4 & JW were willing to take the blame for all 8 murders.

Defense hasn’t placed reasonable doubt, thus far. We will see...

IMO, there were many times during the trial what seemed like more than GW4 was on trial. However, in a sense maybe they all (Ws) were because with this crime family it’s always been “one for all, and all for one”... Right? However, make no mistake, GW4 is on trial and him alone.

Even if there is no evidence of GW4 shooting there is enough evidence to put him away LWOP.

This narrative is all in my opinion only and subject to change.

 

[Betty P]

Great post P!

Agree, there was no benefit to either Angela or Jake Wagner to lie about George's involvement in the murders.

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

Good morning from Pike Co. murder trial of George Wagner IV. The prosecution is introducing all its evidence and resting its case today. Right now, lawyers are meeting off the record over which photos the defense may object to - then the judge will come back and decide.

 

[arielilane]

Not many tweets from James. Posting Courtesy tweets:

https://twitter.com/CFranciscoWCPO

Back in Pike County this week for the #PikeCoMassacre trial of George Wagner, IV. Thursday, the state finished calling witnesses. Today starts with procedural moves: prosecutors formally enter evidence, and the defense will ask for judgment of acquittal.

Prosecutors are entering exhibits they want to formally submit as evidence while defense sifts through it and decides what to object. The judge will come back in whenever they are ready to argue any objections.

The jurors heard from 54 witnesses so far. Opening statements were Sept. 12. There have been three or four delays due to illnesses and procedural work. So, a little less than two months worth of testimony and evidence.

Attorneys are just sifting through picture evidence in the courtroom. George left when the judge left.







https://twitter.com/CFranciscoWCPO/status/1592181963871629313

 

[arielilane]

Catching up this morning. I am remembering the well-know quote by Daniel Patrick Moynihan: "You are entitled to your own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts." imo, this quote distinctly applies to this trial.

Excellent!