OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #84

[Betty P]

I was listening to the hearing while on my power walk tonight. It sounds like they'll be finished early tomorrow. They plan to come in at 8 am, before they call the jury and finish the rest of the evidence.

It's a lot, but it was a very big crime - 8 people killed in 4 different crime scenes. It's the equivalent of the evidence for 4 separate murder trials. Huge amount of evidence that has to be entered into the record so it's there for any future appeals, etc.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I'll look that up. I recall his shoe size being 14. He's 6'5", pretty sure. Big guy.

That size 14 was posted by someone on here based on their calculations based on Billy's height. That was never testified to in court by anyone.

Neither has it been testified to what size shoe George or Jake or Angie wears.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

My Post, Thread 83, Post #974.


The Point of my post, linked above, was NOT that they needed to track victim DNA, but that of the Persistence of blood on shoe soles. Luminol should have shown the victim's blood on DR's flooring, had there been any left on the bottom of the soles. I find that pertinent. It would have actually HELPED the prosecution. JM2 Link below.

Persistence of blood (DNA/RNA) on shoe soles under varying casework related conditions

Again; Out of curiosity, has anyone found a link, as to what size of shoe that G3 wears? I may be looking over his shoe info. TIA!

The only testimony about shoe size was I think by a BCI agent, maybe Ryan S, who said the pile of boots found at Browns during the search were size 12 and believed to belong to Billy.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

The only testimony about shoe size was I think by a BCI agent, maybe Ryan S, who said the pile of boots found at Browns during the search were size 12 and believed to belong to Billy.

JMO

I'm sure they have that information. He's incarcerated. They need his shoe size to provide him with footwear. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned, but will have to look it up. Not having luck so far, but I'm not trying real hard, haha. Its the end of the day.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I'm sure they have that information. He's incarcerated. They need his shoe size to provide him with footwear. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned, but will have to look it up. Not having luck so far, but I'm not trying real hard, haha. Its the end of the day.

I am sure they have that information also. But it has never been testified to in court nor has their shoe sizes ever been released to the public.

As I said during the testimony of the trailer searches on Brown's property pictures were shown of a pile of boots and the agent said they were a size 12 and that agents BELIEVED they belonged to Billy. But it was never testified to definitively if they were Billy's boots or not.

JMO

 

[Tena]

Most of the disorganization of this trial can be laid at Canepa's door. The woman simply does not have her shyte together.

JMO

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I would never disrespect a sitting judge, but I feel different. My thoughts stem from how a normal trial is conducted. I was confused when the proceedings started in the beginning..when the defendants were allowed to wear street clothes while in custody, during motion hearings. I could never understand that but I moved ahead. Only one person rules a courtroom and some of his rulings and procedures is where I smh..JMO

 

[justtrish]

Lots of assumptions on what the defense knows and is thinking in your post. I like to deal in facts. The fact is we do not know what George told his attorneys. So saying the defense attorneys is tailoring their defense on the assumption that George told them he was guilty is just plain wrong.


JMO

I never stated anything as fact and I didn't say George told them anything. This is a discussion where we have all thrown out ideas. I was throwing out my thoughts after hearing from the witnesses they've called so far and what they've asked them or not asked them.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

October 18th foot molds were entered into evidence along with this pic.

 

[Cool Cats]

This trial could have been over in a week had it not been for Canepa's insistence that they show every piece of evidence against jake and Angie alone. She effectively tried Jake and Angie before the jury and proved their guilt to the jury. It might not be a good thing for her to have proved to the jury that Jake and Angie were proved guilty right before their eyes of murdering 8 people.

JMO

Why would a prosecutor need to prove to a jury that co-defendants who admit their guilty and agree to testify for the prosecution, are guilty?

Jury knew from day one that these 2 Wagners confessed to the crimes and pled guilty. Any time spent trying to prove their guilt, separate from focusing on George, makes about as much sense as buying murder shoes in a local store known for it's electronic surveillance systems and then not tossing out the receipt.

 

[FrenchyMommy]

Has there been clarification on the cash found on one of the victims? Or that there was a fight between Billy & Chris Sr? Did Billy have his own motivation (besides custody) for the murders? Revenge, spite, or to elude a debt?

 

[rsd1200]

I'll look that up. I recall his shoe size being 14. He's 6'5", pretty sure. Big guy.

Height doesn't matter re; shoe size. Believe me. Tall people can have small hands and feet. That thing they say about small hands and feet? Also true, j/s.

 

[rsd1200]

The only testimony about shoe size was I think by a BCI agent, maybe Ryan S, who said the pile of boots found at Browns during the search were size 12 and believed to belong to Billy.

JMO

Thanks Raize. I'll try and find that. Much appreciated.

 

[rsd1200]

This is definitely not how it is done in my state. And we have had trials with scores, yes scores, more victims. Then again,we have modern courtrooms with computer access (along with judges that know how to use them), audio/visual equipment (along with courtroom personnel that know how to use them), and everything else one might expect to use in this year of 2022. And it has been that way for years along with sunshine laws. If nothing else, this trial has shown how backward this county's court system is, and the state throwing money at it as they did sure did not help.

They are not alone. Govt. systems, in neighboring counties, not to mention the one I lived in at the time, had to get computer systems, with 10-year-old software, b/c no one knew how to operate the updated version of Windows. I kid you not. These communities have no money for software training. Their software does not connect to the primary databases nor to each other. They are poor communities, and the town owners, don't really care as long as it doesn't affect an election or their place on the ladder. Most on the force can't stop drinking long enough to even learn the software and those who can are not promoted b/c, ooops, that would shine a light on those good ole boys who can't learn sh.it.e from Shinola.

 

[rsd1200]

I understand what you meant. AC keeps wanting to introduce pics from FR and HG's home showing messiness, so IMO both sides are guilty of wrongs.

I saw those. That's why a move was made so quickly the month before the murders. JM2. JM2. JM2.

 

[rsd1200]

"Ohio state Rep. Shane Wilkin (R-Hillsboro) got more than $1 million allocated through the state attorney general’s office to help pike county cover the costs of the trial.

Yet he told Local 12 Investigates there’s only about $99,000 left in that fund, with several large bills amounting to more than $100,000 still on their way.

Wilkin previously tried to get more through the state’s general fund through a budget request and legislation. But that effort stalled in the Senate."

How much is Pike Co Prosecution Costing

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I would never disrespect a sitting judge, but I feel different. My thoughts stem from how a normal trial is conducted. I was confused when the proceedings started in the beginning..when the defendants were allowed to wear street clothes while in custody, during motion hearings. I could never understand that but I moved ahead. Only one person rules a courtroom and some of his rulings and procedures is where I smh..JMO

It is a custom for defendants to be allowed to wear street clothes in court and most of the time the judge rules they can.

If you get time go back and watch how puzzled the judge gets in some of Canepa's questioning of witnesses. One day he outright scolded her because she did not give the defense a list of witnesses she intended to call that day or what she intended to question them about. Most of the time he just interrupts her mid sentence and asks her where she is going with the testimony.

Today she made herself a real nuisance with objecting every two seconds.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I never stated anything as fact and I didn't say George told them anything. This is a discussion where we have all thrown out ideas. I was throwing out my thoughts after hearing from the witnesses they've called so far and what they've asked them or not asked them.

Okay.

 

[iulia]

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[rsd1200]

That size 14 was posted by someone on here based on their calculations based on Billy's height. That was never testified to in court by anyone.

Neither has it been testified to what size shoe George or Jake or Angie wears.

JMO

Jake

October 18th foot molds were entered into evidence along with this pic.






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But, who's feet matched? AW, JW, G3, or G4? Oh, AW said they only took in the three men.

They did say that the one shoe print's, Big Toe impression was how they calculated the 10.5 shoe size.

I wonder if hammertoes make a deeper indentation when one walks. If so, might one Wagner male's Big Toe, be a hammertoe? I do think I remember that the molds came back inconclusive though.

(OT: Every single time I've heard the word hammertoe, in this case, I cannot help it, but my brain goes back in time, to the 80's, and it's; Hammertime!! Let's hope it's a positive omen. )

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Why would a prosecutor need to prove to a jury that co-defendants who admit their guilty and agree to testify for the prosecution, are guilty?

Jury knew from day one that these 2 Wagners confessed to the crimes and pled guilty. Any time spent trying to prove their guilt, separate from focusing on George, makes about as much sense as buying murder shoes in a local store known for it's electronic surveillance systems and then not tossing out the receipt.

Any time spent trying to prove their guilt, separate from focusing on George,

Exactly. Thank you @Cool Cats for making my point. That is exactly what I have been saying all along. This trial could have been over in a week had Canepa not insisted on entering every single piece of evidence against Angie and jake instead of just focusing on trying the defendant who is on trial, George.

JMO