OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #84

[ralyla]

Is it typical to spend days admitting evidence and arguing over it once the prosecution rests? I could be entirely off base, but I've never seen this. If they sort it out during pre-trial motions and have objections sustained or overruled during the case, why do they need hours of back and forth about what to admit?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Thanks Raize. I'll try and find that. Much appreciated.

There is this. I did not look this up. Someone else found this and many thanks to them for helping us all out on this.

DAY 13: Defense introduces reasonable doubt with shoes, while state goes over phone records in Wagner trial

WAVERLY, Ohio — The thirteenth day of trial for George Wagner IV in Pike County saw reasonable doubt introduced for the first time in the trial that has spanned three weeks, with several more…

sciotovalleyguardian.com

The expert told the defense on cross-examination that she could not say who wore any of the shoes, but only said she knew that the sizes found were 10.5 and 11; the state has yet to say what size shoes the Wagner family wore.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Has there been clarification on the cash found on one of the victims? Or that there was a fight between Billy & Chris Sr? Did Billy have his own motivation (besides custody) for the murders? Revenge, spite, or to elude a debt?

It was testified early on the cash was a few dollar bills and a couple of fives I think.

The fight was tossed out by the judge because he considered it rumor I think. So it never got past the pre trial motions.

That's about all I know about it. Maybe someone else knows more?

JMO

 

[rsd1200]

That size 14 was posted by someone on here based on their calculations based on Billy's height. That was never testified to in court by anyone.

Neither has it been testified to what size shoe George or Jake or Angie wears.

JMO

You know, that could have been me. LOL I forget, but I have been really searching for BW's shoe size. They've brought in evidence from everyone but the Pope, and only one piddly interview from BW, and none from G4 (if AW was read her rights at the border then either they forgot to read G3 his, or they just don't want to play his interview, yet, it is him who is on trial). I digress, I remember doing calculations but those were American averages. They didn't even match my s/o. Still on the hunt, for size for G3. Can't believe they've not shared that. Maybe it's a size...Eleven?

 

[rsd1200]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I would never disrespect a sitting judge, but I feel different. My thoughts stem from how a normal trial is conducted. I was confused when the proceedings started in the beginning..when the defendants were allowed to wear street clothes while in custody, during motion hearings. I could never understand that but I moved ahead. Only one person rules a courtroom and some of his rulings and procedures is where I smh..JMO

The defendants are innocent until proven guilty. That is why they are permitted to wear street clothes. It's not just this judge. Note AW and JW no longer wore street clothes b/c they admitted guilt and are awaiting sentencing.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

"Ohio state Rep. Shane Wilkin (R-Hillsboro) got more than $1 million allocated through the state attorney general’s office to help pike county cover the costs of the trial.

Yet he told Local 12 Investigates there’s only about $99,000 left in that fund, with several large bills amounting to more than $100,000 still on their way.

Wilkin previously tried to get more through the state’s general fund through a budget request and legislation. But that effort stalled in the Senate."

How much is Pike Co Prosecution Costing

That is why I think if it ends in a hung jury they won't retry it. They will just move on to Billy.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Jake

But, who's feet matched? AW, JW, G3, or G4? Oh, AW said they only took in the three men.

They did say that the one shoe print's, Big Toe impression was how they calculated the 10.5 shoe size.

I wonder if hammertoes make a deeper indentation when one walks. If so, might one Wagner male's Big Toe, be a hammertoe? I do think I remember that the molds came back inconclusive though.

(OT: Every single time I've heard the word hammertoe, in this case, I cannot help it, but my brain goes back in time, to the 80's, and it's; Hammertime!! Let's hope it's a positive omen. )

It was never said if any of the molds matched to any of the W's feet. You can bet if one of the molds matched George Canepa would be crowing from the rooftops. So far not a peep out of her about those molds and who they matched.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Is it typical to spend days admitting evidence and arguing over it once the prosecution rests? I could be entirely off base, but I've never seen this. If they sort it out during pre-trial motions and have objections sustained or overruled during the case, why do they need hours of back and forth about what to admit?

I have never seen it either.

 

[rsd1200]

Has there been clarification on the cash found on one of the victims? Or that there was a fight between Billy & Chris Sr? Did Billy have his own motivation (besides custody) for the murders? Revenge, spite, or to elude a debt?

The cash on KR was less than 10 bucks, IIRC, the fight is said to have happened, but no one can corroborate it, so they cannot bring it up in court. JM2, I believe BW had some motivation of his own. Revenge and anger toward CR2 are my main theories. I think each had a few of their own motivations, but it rolled into one, based on that one email the prosecution keeps bringing up. One common motivator is easier to prosecute than multiple.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

You know, that could have been me. LOL I forget, but I have been really searching for BW's shoe size. They've brought in evidence from everyone but the Pope, and only one piddly interview from BW, and none from G4 (if AW was read her rights at the border then either they forgot to read G3 his, or they just don't want to play his interview, yet, it is him who is on trial). I digress, I remember doing calculations but those were American averages. They didn't even match my s/o. Still on the hunt, for size for G3. Can't believe they've not shared that. Maybe it's a size...Eleven?

My sis wears a size 9 and her hubby wears a 10. She says she wears his boots all the time when feeding the horses.

I wear a 6.5 to 7 and bought a pair of size 8 heels because they exactly matched the color of a suit I have. I stuffed the toes with sponge to make them fit. But dang did those heels look good with that suit. lol

Does that help?
JMO

 

[rsd1200]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592714942377230336

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592714945376182272

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592714954641412096

I agree with Parker at this point. Haven't the jurors seen enough? AC said in the beginning that she went through all of the murder scenes, the ballistics, from the day they got the 911 calls, until they arrived at the proffers and to trial. I think that if they've been shown once, the jury is pretty sure that eight heinous murders were committed and AW and JW have in fact confessed in front of the jury. I didn't even see any photos and hardly any evidence photos and am convinced that eight people were murdered, and were autopsied. I would be rather ticked off at having to sit through it again. I'd want to hear evidence, solid, hard evidence, not see pictures of the deceased, that their families have to see as well, that do not prove who murdered them. JM2.

 

[rsd1200]

My sis wears a size 9 and her hubby wears a 10. She says she wears his boots all the time when feeding the horses.

I wear a 6.5 to 7 and bought a pair of size 8 heels because they exactly matched the color of a suit I have. I stuffed the toes with sponge to make them fit. But dang did those heels look good with that suit. lol

Does that help?
JMO

I understand that! If my muck boots aren't handy and the s/o's are, I wear theirs. Theirs are 3 1/2 sizes larger than mine. (I've noticed on another case on here, Missy Bevers, that the perp walked odd, as if they had on boots much too large for them. I know I do when I wear the larger boots.) Back when we used to go out on the town (which meant driving a few hours and an overnight stay) if the shoes were fabulous, but a bit small or large, I'd make them work too if they matched the rest of the attire. Gotta look good on that arm, that's walking you inside.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I agree with Parker at this point. Haven't the jurors seen enough? AC said in the beginning that she went through all of the murder scenes, the ballistics, from the day they got the 911 calls, until they arrived at the proffers and to trial. I think that if they've been shown once, the jury is pretty sure that eight heinous murders were committed and AW and JW have in fact confessed in front of the jury. I didn't even see any photos and hardly any evidence photos and am convinced that eight people were murdered, and were autopsied. I would be rather ticked off at having to sit through it again. I'd want to hear evidence, solid, hard evidence, not see pictures of the deceased, that their families have to see as well, that do not prove who murdered them. JM2.

I am right there with you on that. I want to see hard solid proof on george, not a bunch of pictures. We all know 8 people were murdered and after they described how many shots, where they were, not much else to say about that.

JMO

 

[Niner]

Wednesday, November 16th:
*Judge & Attorneys (@ 8am) & Trial continues with jury (Day 43) (@ 9am ET) - OH - Pike County 8 people dead: Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (40), his ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden (37), their three children, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden (20), Christopher Jr. (16), Hanna Mae (19); Frankie's fiancée, Hannah Hazel Gilley (20), Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, Kenneth Rhoden (44), & a cousin, Gary Rhoden (37). Hanna Rhoden's baby girl (5 days old), another baby (6 mos.) & a young child (3) were unharmed. (April 21-22, 2016, Pebbles) – for *George Washington Wagner IV (27/now 31) (Jakes’ bro) indicted (11/12/18), arrested (11/13/18), charged (11/15/18) & arraigned (11/28/18) with 8 counts aggravated murder, (plus gun specifications on each), 1 count of 1st degree conspiracy, 4 counts of 1st degree aggravated burglary, 1 count of 5th degree unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, 3 counts of 3rd degree evidence tampering, 1 count of 5th degree forgery, 1 count of 5th degree unauthorized use of computer or telecommunications, 1 count of 4th degree interception of wire, oral or electronic communication, 1 count of 5th degree obstructing justice, & 1 count of 1st degree engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will seek the DP. Per Jake’s plea agreement, DP is off the table only for Jake if his testimony is truthful. But George still faces the DP as he did not take a deal.
Trial began on 8/29/22 with final jury selection & the jury was seated on 8/30/22. 12 Jurors & 6 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 6 alternates: (5 women & 1 man). 9/30/22: Ill juror replaced with alternate. 12 jurors & 5 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 5 alternates (4 women & 1 man). A few are in their late 20s or 30s, but most are in their 40s or 50s.
Trial began with opening statements on Monday, 9/12/22. (Trial is scheduled for 8 to 9 weeks (56-63 days). State rested their case on 11/10/22.
Added note: Regarding shoe sizes: Jake wore the size 10.5 & George the 11.
Crime info & court hearings from 11/28/18 thru 9/6/22 & Trial Day 1-41 (9/12 to 11/10/22) no court on 10/27, 11/4 & 11/11 & 11/14/22 reference post #884 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-83.643555/page=45
11/15/22 Tuesday, Trial Day 42: Judge & attorneys went thru evidence to be allowed. They will do two defense witnesses quickly & then going back to the evidence the rest of the afternoon.
For more info see posts #910 & 917 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-83.643555/page-46
For more info see posts #923, 924, 928 & 939 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-83.643555/page-47
For more info see posts #945 & 948 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-83.643555/page-48
Defense witnesses: Bernard Brown, who allowed the Wagners to store trucks & trailers filled with their possessions at his Peebles car business from mid-2017 to mid-2018, the year the family spent in Alaska. Alex Staley, friends with George through his wife Samantha (who previously testified for prosecution). Went fishing with him, and George talked about his friendship with Frankie Rhoden.
For more info see posts #953, 954, 957 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-83.643555/page-48
Judge & attorneys continue going thru evidence to be allowed. Jury is dismissed for the day.
For more info see posts #973 & 977 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-83.643555/page-49
For more info see posts #990, 991, 994, 996 & 998 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-83.643555/page-50
Will resume the evidence items at 8am & jury back at 9am.
For more info see post #7 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...e-4-wagner-family-members-arrested-84.644269/
For more info see post #38 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...gner-family-members-arrested-84.644269/page-2
Trial continues on Wednesday, 11/16/22.

 

[rsd1200]

That is why I think if it ends in a hung jury they won't retry it. They will just move on to Billy.

JMO

I have a feeling any holdouts will be encouraged to do the "right thing", and he'll be convicted. Then again, they may be back in five minutes, with an all guilty. It's hard to tell. We can't see the faces of the jury, but boy, if I were a juror and had to sit through all of those photos again, I'd think it would seem rather desperate on the part of the prosecution, or that they thought I was too stupid to get it the first time, during the Prosecutions months of presentation of evidence via testimony, diagrams, ballistics, graphic photos, and the occasional, JESUS!! Surely calling upon Jesus worked.

 

[Chelly]

Patricia Gallagher Newberry

@pattinewberry
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Day 44 in the #PikeCountyMassacre trial of #GeorgeWagnerIV for ⁦
@Enquirer
⁩. Lawyers arrive at 8, the jury at 9, with the defense continuing its case.

 

[pcrum12]

10 minute break then bringing in the jury

 

[Chelly]

Defense is calling George Washington Wagner to the stand.

 

[CIA Team Member]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592884840592199680

 

[twall]

GW is testifying, looks like he is going to hurl!