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BBM: No, it was just another tent, not used for isolation.
Hart wasn't heralded as a hero, any further than his being a very good athlete and football player for his high school. I think the media has over the years really stretched this "hero" thing. He did have a very large extended family and many, many friends who probably did help him out after he escaped jail, but it was not the entire town.
This isn't quite true. All parents knew the girls were alive and well when waiting for the buses to bring the girls back to Tulsa. Lori's, Michelle's, and Denise's (she did go by Denise) parents were notified of their deaths, but were not told how they died at first.
Being born and raised in NE Oklahoma, I cannot agree with you that Oklahoma is totally corrupt. There are pockets of corruption, mostly in small towns, but most of us are good people. I can understand your shock reading about this crime for the first time, but it's been part of my life since I was 9 years old. I think about it mostly without emotion now and logically, I agree there were probably two perpetrators. I still don't have any feelings about whether one was Gene Leroy Hart or not.
"Welcome to the Hart of Gene Country" certainly sounds like a network of good ole boys to me. Protecting one of their own, despite his despicable crimes. I live in a notoriously corrupt state, too ... Mississippi ... so I'm not biased. Just calling it what it is. And I don't know how one might think of this case logically, it's diabolical. Even 23 years after interviewing a SK I still can't see him rationally, his crimes will always be raw and horrific to me. But at least he is in prison. These families have no justice ... and at least one murderer may still be walking free.
I am in the 'I don't think Hart did it' camp - and I also think one of the murderers is still alive, if not both, there was probably at least two people in order to subdue the three little girls. And one of those is a woman. From what I have gathered, this case was mishandled from the start. I have to wonder, whoever did it, if their consciences will ever catch up with them enough to make a confession.
If his mother lived so close, why did he stay in a cave??? After all, she helped him break out of jail...
Thank you for that link, I was on that entire website last night. Question: Why did the ME say the girls were not raped when they were?
Still reading all I can find about this case. Wondering if a woman was a lookout, staying in the tent, and the girls were killed one by one. That would explain the sounds for hours. The entire case is so horrifying, but the one most disturbing detail that chills me to the bone is the "guttural sounds" heard throughout the night. What was that?
Does anyone know what is written on the outside of their tent? There are words. It looks like: GIRL SCOUTS ?KICK? ______ COOKIES???
It says "Girl Scouts" then underneath "Magic Empire Council".
Also, WRT the note threatening killing of campers, it was not reported to anyone until after the murders occurred. The note was found in the empty donut box a few months before the murders by a senior girl scout (not a counselor) there in April for a spring camp out. The girl thought it was a joke and threw it away. She didn't mention it to anyone until after the 3 girls were murdered, when she passed the information along. The camp director first heard of it from the senior girl scout's mother around August after the murders.
http://www.girlscoutmurders.com/PreTrialVolume2.pdf
See p 215 of pre-trial testimony
The following page has testimony from Mrs. Day that there was no effigy found at the camp. Some time earlier at another camporee, a girl thought she saw a body hanging in a tree. Camp counselors and directors investigated and found it was just some dead limbs in the tree that probably looked strange to the girl.
Here's a link to the page with all links to pre-trial testimony documents (PDF)
http://www.girlscoutmurders.com/PRETRIAL.html
Just finished reading Barbara Day's testimony ... I have so many questions. Thanks for sharing that link!
Would anyone like to PM me if you have a female accomplice in mind for this?
According to the pre-trial testimony link you provided, Barbara Day was questioned (almost) about her sexual history ... this line of questioning was objected to. But according to the questioning, detectives felt strongly that a female (lesbian) was involved in the murders. This pre-trial testimony was WELL before DNA was even a thing, so their suspicions couldn't possibly have been rumor-based on DNA samples.They strongly felt that a woman helped. The size 7 tennis shoe print was a factor in their suspicions because it was in the same line of questioning. As to the shoe print itself, it was outside the tent, in mud after the heavy rains would have washed away any other traces of shoe prints in the camp, no doubt. The shoe print would have been left in those wee morning hours after the rain had stopped. The only people who were at tent #7 that morning were the killers, Carla (checking for the girls after she saw the one body), Barbara Day when she showed the officers the tent where the girls had been, and police officers. All of the other girls were led straight from their tents to the kitchen for breakfast. Carla and Barbara's shoes were compared to the size 7 print.
I don't believe any of the killers worked at the camp. This case sort of reminds me of the movie The Strangers ... creeping around all night, being seen sneaking in the woods, touching different girls in the darkness on the way to the latrines, like it was some kind of game.
What kind of woman would hang out with rapists, pedophiles, killers? Many have. But Karla Homolka to name one.