Pastor's wife, 65, buys pistol from gun shop, shoots herself dead in parking lot

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But how many folks commit murders with a rope vs. with a gun? How about mass murders?

And how many suicides by rope vs. gun?

A new report from researchers with the Johns Hopkins Center for Injury Research and Policy finds the majority of the previously reported increase in suicide in the U.S. between 2000 and 2010 is attributable to an increase in hanging/suffocation, which increased from 19 percent of all suicides in 2000 to 26 percent of all suicides in 2010.

http://www.jhsph.edu/news/news-releases/2012/baker-suicide.html


Australia -- Firearm suicides have fallen from about 22% of all suicides in 1992 to 7% of all suicides in 2005. Firearm suicides have fallen from about 22% of all suicides in 1992 to 7% of all suicides in 2005. Immediately following the Buyback there was a fall in firearm suicides which was more than offset by a 10% increase in total suicides in 1997 and 1998. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

So apparently when Australia got most weapons off the streets their guns suicide rates went DOWN but OVERALL suicides went up 10%! Gosh, guess people found other methods when they had to!
 
Maybe she wanted her death to be known as a suicide and not hushed up as some sort of in-home death or accident. Some families would tend to try to hide a suicide, perhaps a parson's family especially, IMO.

Good point. Or perhaps she wanted to make sure there was no way her husband might be a suspect.

I hate for her that she thought she had no other choice. :(
 
So had it not been for the gun, she wouldn't have killed herself? The guns to blame for this aledged suicide?

No, but if she had had to wait even a week to get the gun, she might have changed her mind. We'll never know.
 
I have read before (not sure if it is really true) that women typically do NOT shoot themselves to commit suicide. Women typically choose methods that are less, em, mutilating. (Sorry)

If that IS true, then it is unusual for her to kill herself that way, but maybe she also knew that pills, CO, etc were not reliable methods and she meant business.

It's just sad, poor lady. :(

I have read the same thing about female suicides. Unfortunately, I don't have a link and perhaps there are new studies that show otherwise.
 
Suicide is a sad matter. For everyone. I learned this really early on when my brother committed suicide in our backyard when I was a preschooler and he was an older teenager. I always figured his choice of locales was a final "eff you" to our parents. I doubt he thought about the fact that his little preteen sister could be (and was) the one to find him and that all of his siblings would be traumatized not only by his death but also the aftermath and by our parents' grief.

It sucked. It was a horrible thing. I'm angered by some of it. However, obviously, he had a lot going on in his mind--I can't really blame him for not having perfect foresight, or for having the foresight and still making that choice because whatever had him feeling so hopeless outweighed (in his mind) any negative consequences to those left living. *shrug*

People who have been depressed enough to have entered such a dark space understand how that desperation and seemingly never-ending pain can overshadow everything else. I just typed a really personal paragraph and deleted it. :) My point, though, is that unless you've been in that dark space, then, respectfully, IMO, you can't really fully understand and appreciate the depth of darkness involved in a suicidal mind.

I agree with Ms. Knot up there ^ that this woman clearly thought she had no other viable, livable choice. I also agree with the idea that she may have purposely chosen the car so as to leave as little clean-up as necessary and/or to make sure her death was clearly a suicide and not "brushed under the rug." Perhaps she knew her family dynamics well enough and suspected her husband would ask her children to clean up instead of hiring specialists--that is completely unfounded conjecture, I'm just saying we don't know why she chose that place, and there are many reasons why she may have made that choice.

Sad.
 
Suicide is a sad matter. For everyone. I learned this really early on when my brother committed suicide in our backyard when I was a preschooler and he was an older teenager. I always figured his choice of locales was a final "eff you" to our parents. I doubt he thought about the fact that his little preteen sister could be (and was) the one to find him and that all of his siblings would be traumatized not only by his death but also the aftermath and by our parents' grief.

It sucked. It was a horrible thing. I'm angered by some of it. However, obviously, he had a lot going on in his mind--I can't really blame him for not having perfect foresight, or for having the foresight and still making that choice because whatever had him feeling so hopeless outweighed (in his mind) any negative consequences to those left living. *shrug*

People who have been depressed enough to have entered such a dark space understand how that desperation and seemingly never-ending pain can overshadow everything else. I just typed a really personal paragraph and deleted it. :) My point, though, is that unless you've been in that dark space, then, respectfully, IMO, you can't really fully understand and appreciate the depth of darkness involved in a suicidal mind.

I agree with Ms. Knot up there ^ that this woman clearly thought she had no other viable, livable choice. I also agree with the idea that she may have purposely chosen the car so as to leave as little clean-up as necessary and/or to make sure her death was clearly a suicide and not "brushed under the rug." Perhaps she knew her family dynamics well enough and suspected her husband would ask her children to clean up instead of hiring specialists--that is completely unfounded conjecture, I'm just saying we don't know why she chose that place, and there are many reasons why she may have made that choice.

Sad.

(((Hugs)))

I am sorry that you had to experience the loss of your brother, and in that way. I'm just sorry.
 
No, but if she had had to wait even a week to get the gun, she might have changed her mind. We'll never know.

Very well put.

I don't know that I have ever been suicidal, but in my younger days, everything seemed sooooo drastic and I remember feeling pain over things that just consumed me.

Being told that "this will pass" and "things will look better tomorrow" seldom sinks in when you are in such despair.

Fortunately, for most of us, things DO look better in the morning and if we had to wait to make such a final decision as suicide, I would bet that many us wouldn't follow through on the same dark thoughts we may have entertained when at our lowest.
 
No, but if she had had to wait even a week to get the gun, she might have changed her mind. We'll never know.

I doubt that it was a spur of the moment thing. The lady was in her sixties, had several children and was very religious. I am sure at her age, having had all of those kids and dealt with church folks and countless problems for over a half century she would not freak out and over-react to a temporary problem.

She sounds like a very stable person, I am sure she thought this out well and considered it carefully.
 
I doubt that it was a spur of the moment thing. The lady was in her sixties, had several children and was very religious. I am sure at her age, having had all of those kids and dealt with church folks and countless problems for over a half century she would not freak out and over-react to a temporary problem.

She sounds like a very stable person, I am sure she thought this out well and considered it carefully.

So then a waiting period wouldn't have altered her decision at all. But really, we won't ever know since she was able to purchase then gun without one.
 
not to rub anyone the wrong way but here's my theory:

she decides to commit suicide for whatever sad reason. just as we have, she has recently been witnessing the horror that is the aftermath of the connecticut massacre. she has children and grandchildren with whom above mentioned reports state she was very close.

while it's horrible that she felt she had to kill herself, i can actually envision a scenario in which she chose her route to death to possibly help others. here you have a beautiful, beloved, active, well-respected, seemingly wonderful pastor's wife from the burbs of texas. maybe she figured once word got out that someone like her could walk into a gun shop and be dead by way of their purchase moments later, it would help keep the gun issue in the headlines.....

just a thought.
 
while it's horrible that she felt she had to kill herself, i can actually envision a scenario in which she chose her route to death to possibly help others. here you have a beautiful, beloved, active, well-respected, seemingly wonderful pastor's wife from the burbs of texas. maybe she figured once word got out that someone like her could walk into a gun shop and be dead by way of their purchase moments later, it would help keep the gun issue in the headlines.....

Are you really suggesting she shot herself in the head and caused trauma to her children, grandchildren, husband, and church congregation in order to make some sort of gun control statement in TEXAS???

Wow. That idea is .... errrrmmmm. Guess things are starting to get really strange. I think I need to take advantage of the current laws and buy a few more firearms.
 
I doubt that it was a spur of the moment thing. The lady was in her sixties, had several children and was very religious. I am sure at her age, having had all of those kids and dealt with church folks and countless problems for over a half century she would not freak out and over-react to a temporary problem.

She sounds like a very stable person, I am sure she thought this out well and considered it carefully.

Agreed. As a direct descendant in one of the wealthiest familiies in America, Mrs Deison undoubtably had many resources available to her. She was an accomplished, well-loved person. It's unfortunate for her & her family that her final desperate actions have become so public & also pulled into the current gun issues.
 
I doubt that it was a spur of the moment thing. The lady was in her sixties, had several children and was very religious. I am sure at her age, having had all of those kids and dealt with church folks and countless problems for over a half century she would not freak out and over-react to a temporary problem.

She sounds like a very stable person, I am sure she thought this out well and considered it carefully.

Bbm.

Usually stable people do not commit suicide. :(.
 
Agreed. As a direct descendant in one of the wealthiest familiies in America, Mrs Deison undoubtably had many resources available to her. She was an accomplished, well-loved person. It's unfortunate for her & her family that her final desperate actions have become so public & also pulled into the current gun issues.

Are you suggesting the she ought to have shot herself in her home where perhaps her husband might have been named a suspect? The woman was obviously deep in despair and pain and did what she sadly thought she had to to do.

And I seriously doubt her last thoughts were of stirring up gun control issues and that her choice of location would have cheesed off so many people. :rolleyes:
 
I doubt that it was a spur of the moment thing. The lady was in her sixties, had several children and was very religious. I am sure at her age, having had all of those kids and dealt with church folks and countless problems for over a half century she would not freak out and over-react to a temporary problem.

She sounds like a very stable person, I am sure she thought this out well and considered it carefully.

Even so. We'll never know how she would have felt a week from now.

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P.S. to Flourish: I am so very sorry. I have a lifelong friend who found his mother hanging in the garage. To this day, 50 years later, he has NEVER mentioned it to me. It happened when we were children and I wouldn't even know about it if his father and my grandmother hadn't been co-workers.

I can't even imagine how distressing that must have been for you!
 
Are you suggesting the she ought to have shot herself in her home where perhaps her husband might have been named a suspect? The woman was obviously deep in despair and pain and did what she sadly thought she had to to do.

And I seriously doubt her last thoughts were of stirring up gun control issues and that her choice of location would have cheesed off so many people. :rolleyes:

No. Of course not! Did you read Sonya's comment?
"I doubt that it was a spur of the moment thing. The lady was in her sixties, had several children and was very religious. I am sure at her age, having had all of those kids and dealt with church folks and countless problems for over a half century she would not freak out and over-react to a temporary problem.
She sounds like a very stable person, I am sure she thought this out well and considered it carefully."

Obviously, she was in deep despair. (Perhaps a health issue although it's none of our business.) I was saying it was a private matter that has unfortunately become very public.

I hope noone else misread my intent.
 
And I seriously doubt her last thoughts were of stirring up gun control issues and that her choice of location would have cheesed off so many people. :rolleyes:

If her MESSAGE was about GUN CONTROL then I am pretty darn sure she would have written a LONG and detailed suicide note explaining that!!!!!!

Has there been any MSM report about a long and detailed suicide note that explained she took her own life, blew her own brains out, as a way to make a statement about gun ownership??? If there has been please POST THE LINK!

I think the mods need to get involved here. Implying this woman took her own life as a ploy to support the political opinions of some posters seems not right to me. Not right at ALL! The woman is dead and her family is grieving and it is NOT something to be used as a political ploy unless you can PROVE it was a political ploy.
 
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