Possible Victim: Jessica Taylor, 20, found Manorville July 2003 & Gilgo Beach Mar 2011

[Just K]

Yes, IMO, they target certain girls...maybe girls who show interest in being club promo girls, dancers, whatever but before that I think they phish out open FB & MS pages for girls who have certain interests, qualities, and types of pictures and invite them to clubs. IMO, the new pimps are definitely recruiting girls out of somewhat legit social scenes. Then the pimps slowly but surely take them down paths that escalate into outright prostitution. It is scary and sickening especially when you hear these men refer to these young woman and girls as their "babies."

 

[Just K]

I'd like to know if this pimp/bfs like AC and Terry, and MBBs BF work for someone above them. Are they just pawns, too? Do any of the pimps/bfd know each other or have associations with the same clubs,club owners, club clients or club patrons?

The key to finding these killers is through knowing if they have any common associates.

 

[marie-chantal]

I'd like to know if this pimp/bfs like AC and Terry, and MBBs BF work for someone above them. Are they just pawns, too? Do any of the pimps/bfd know each other or have associations with the same clubs,club owners, club clients or club patrons?

The key to finding these killers is through knowing if they have any common associates.

One thing about this idiot and AC is that they both don't appear to be much more than low-level criminals. This guy is simply not that smart. My guess is that he is a pawn to some sort of gang, drug-dealer, or bigger pimp.

JT appears to have been a drug user. Megan was also a drug user. These guys are probably hooking these women up with drugs. They're getting their drugs from somewhere. AC was busted for drug possession. I'm not sure about this guy, KW. I wonder if they have a dealer in common?

 

[Dwntwnslim]

Do I have this right, the perp(s) is either KW and/or AC?

 

[marie-chantal]

Do I have this right, the perp(s) is either KW and/or AC?

Not IMO, but if we can find a connection between these guys, we might be able to get closer to figuring out how the killer met his victims.

 

[Dwntwnslim]

I was under the impression that the perp met the victims via craigslist and maybe backpage.

 

[shadowraiths]

Posted about this before but will post this excerpt ( link, pp 13-14 ) again, to add to the "food for thought" wrt the direction this discussion may be taking.

d. Members of the Enterprise, acting as pimps, controlled their females, and punished them if they broke the rules set by the pimp. Punishment included physical beatings, verbal lashings and/or other humiliating acts toward the prostitute.

e. Members of the Enterprise, acting as pimps, sold, traded or "gifted" prostitutes to other pimps, and such gifted prostitutes were forced to work for receiving pimp.

f. Members of the Enterprise, acting as pimps, transported female prostitutes to various locations in San Diego County and elsewhere in the United States, including known areas of prostitution (called "tracks" or "blades"), private residences, hotels and motels that would facilitate such activity and places/events with large customer base such as professional sporting events.

h. Members of the Enterprise, acting as pimps, bottoms and coconspirators, provided logistical support for each other, including but not limited to renting motel rooms for one another, transporting prostitutes for each other, sharing computers, data, mobile internet connections, online accounts (like Craigslist.org and Backpage.com) and prepaid credit cards to post prostitution ads.
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[Just K]

IMO none of these women, including Shannan Gilbert, was truly "independent."

(This seems the most likely scenario)
Young women start out doing any of the following fairly innocent gigs:
Sneaking into clubs or just "clubbing"
Club Promo Girls
Then they are recruited by "business entrepreneurs," otherwise known as pimps but the woman/girls might not know this. These guys offer to hook them up with important people...club owners, business men, you name it who offer them high paying jobs working as
Dancers/strippers
Dancers at private parties
Escorts
All the while being plied with free or discounted alcohol & drugs maybe in exchange for sex. Next step, finally outright prostitution.

In addition, IMO, they are persuaded each step along the path by other girls who may or may not be full-fledged prostitutes, yet.

This is why it is not a victim-less crime. If these predators didn't lure them each step of the way then many of these young women might have gone on to college and/or other professions.

Now, as to who killed the woman, it could be the bigger boss, unhappy clients, the competition which I doubt, or someone who watches from the fringes and pretends to want to help these girls or offer them a way to escape the life.

 

[marie-chantal]

I was under the impression that the perp met the victims via craigslist and maybe backpage.

Yes, and we know that AC (the guy, not the town) placed ads for Megan on those sites; in fact, I believe that there was at least one ad still running during the time that Megan went missing.

I wouldn't be surprised if this KW person was the one who either brought Jessica into the world of prostitution, or if he was someone that she met while she was already in that world and she worked for him. Since this was earlier in the decade, I'm not sure if JT had an internet presence; if she did, I wouldn't be surprised if "Remy" helped her to establish one. However, I think that in her later years, when she met up with her killer, she was a street walker.

JustK-I agree with you, especially about the person lurking on the fringes who operates under the guise of just wanting to help these women out. I think that might have been the appearance given in Atlantic City to those victims by the killer; he was someone who just wanted to talk, or just wanted to help them.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Wow! That's an excellent find, fred&edna. I'd never heard that she used another name, but it makes sense.

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Notice the email address; notice also that this idiot doesn't even know how to properly write an email address (you would never have 'www.' in an email address). Seems consistent with this guy.

**-removed an inappropriate slur from the original

Oh man...we are on a roll, folks! :rocker:

ETA: While sleuthing this line of thought, keep an eye out for a pic of a young black woman with a peach tattoo on her breast. You never know.

 

[Redbird]

The Remy mystery was driving me nuts! Many thanks to fred&edna!

 

[fred&edna]

I was soooo not sure when I posted the link that there was a real connection. I am still new here and my very first post was a complete and total disaster and I was VERY embarrassed. I'm no spring chicken (ain't over the hill yet either, tho!) but I continue to live and learn and learn and learn... if I stop learning, well, living isn't as much fun/interesting.

It was really marie-chantal who noticed the KW comment on a news article

Anyway, I DO NOT think KW nor AC is the perp and I certainly never meant to suggest that. There COULD be a link regarding pimping and/or drug trafficking. I do not know that, have no information to prove that. I have no idea if the doc, the computer whiz, the duck hunter or anyone is else is involved/guilty.

I'm here because I'm interested and I care about people. I believe most, if not all, the members here share the same feelings/mindset. However, I cannot speak for anyone else... this is "JMO"

 

[marie-chantal]

I was soooo not sure when I posted the link that there was a real connection. I am still new here and my very first post was a complete and total disaster and I was VERY embarrassed. I'm no spring chicken (ain't over the hill yet either, tho!) but I continue to live and learn and learn and learn... if I stop learning, well, living isn't as much fun/interesting.

It was really marie-chantal who noticed the KW comment on a news article

Anyway, I DO NOT think KW nor AC is the perp and I certainly never meant to suggest that. There COULD be a link regarding pimping and/or drug trafficking. I do not know that, have no information to prove that. I have no idea if the doc, the computer whiz, the duck hunter or anyone is else is involved/guilty.

I'm here because I'm interested and I care about people. I believe most, if not all, the members here share the same feelings/mindset. However, I cannot speak for anyone else... this is "JMO"

I'm glad you're here, fred&edna! Please don't go. The information you posted opened up a lot of doors. It was very valuable and revealing. We've been trying to figure out the Remy mystery since last year. Without you, we would have still been looking in the wrong direction.

 

[Seaslug44]

I'd like to know if this pimp/bfs like AC and Terry, and MBBs BF work for someone above them. Are they just pawns, too? Do any of the pimps/bfd know each other or have associations with the same clubs,club owners, club clients or club patrons?

The key to finding these killers is through knowing if they have any common associates.

Like a common drug dealer?

or

Like a common supplier of stolen firearms?

or

Like a common enemy?

I am really liking the road you are going down. This is indeed the key! We might not be looking at the photos of the killer but we certainly are looking at photos of people who are still actively living and doing business in his domain!

Chances are, the killer(s) are still in these gang members' lives as we speak! Every girl in those FB photos is on the short list of the killer(s) next potential victims.

 

[fred&edna]

I'm glad you're here, fred&edna! Please don't go. The information you posted opened up a lot of doors. It was very valuable and revealing. We've been trying to figure out the Remy mystery since last year. Without you, we would have still been looking in the wrong direction.

Thank you! :blushing:

I'm not going... I'm sticking around! I rather like it here. There's so much to LEARN!!

Thanks again :curtsey:

 

[marie-chantal]

Like a common drug dealer?

or

Like a common supplier of stolen firearms?

or

Like a common enemy?

I am really liking the road you are going down. This is indeed the key! We might not be looking at the photos of the killer but we certainly are looking at photos of people who are still actively living and doing business in his domain!

Chances are, the killer(s) are still in these gang members' lives as we speak! Every girl in those FB photos is on the short list of the killer(s) next potential victims.

Exactly! That's what I think too. That's why it's important to try to discover any links between these women and these "men" (sorry, I just hate pimps-they're not real men) .

I tried to figure out what commonalities were present in all the victims as far as drugs go. Molly only had alcohol in her system, Kim was a crack addict, Tracy was also a crack addict, Amber had issues with heroin, Megan's boyfriend got busted for coke dealing, Shannan had issues with cocaine, and I'm not too sure about Jessica, Barbara, Maureen, and Melissa's drug of choice.

Of course, drug dealers can usually get a variety of things; the people in the immediate circle of these women seem really low-level, so I doubt they specialized in dealing anything in particular.

Or am I missing something?

 

[Seaslug44]

Exactly! That's what I think too. That's why it's important to try to discover any links between these women and these "men" (sorry, I just hate pimps-they're not real men) .

I tried to figure out what commonalities were present in all the victims as far as drugs go. Molly only had alcohol in her system, Kim was a crack addict, Tracy was also a crack addict, Amber had issues with heroin, Megan's boyfriend got busted for coke dealing, Shannan had issues with cocaine, and I'm not too sure about Jessica, Barbara, Maureen, and Melissa's drug of choice.

Of course, drug dealers can usually get a variety of things; the people in the immediate circle of these women seem really low-level, so I doubt they specialized in dealing anything in particular.

Or am I missing something?

And possibly the connection is a legal, legit business;

What if the common denominator is an employee where they buy their disposable cell phones (or the place where they recharge the minutes on those phones with cash)?

or

Everyone seems to have tattoos- what if the common denominator is an employee at tattoo shop where they all frequent?

or...

What if it's an employee at a no-tell motel where they all frequent?

The possibilities appear to be endless but if we truly consider that these are simple-minded thugs who don't deviate much from the same simple routines then we can see that there is actually only a short list of possible common connections between them.

Seriously, think about the short list of activities on their agenda;

Eat, sleep, do drugs, drink alcohol, hang out on the streets, have sex, recruit new girls, pimp out girls, steal stuff, vandalize stuff, buy stuff, sell stuff, get tattoos, make phone calls, scope out the competition, harass the competition, kill the competition, harass or kill innocent people for the fun of it, hide the people they kill, defend themselves, seek revenge for themselves, go to clubs, go to private parties, throw private parties, pay their rent, get arrested, serve time in jail/prison, prepare/plan some of these activities...

It's not like their daily/weekly/monthly itinerary deviates much from this.

Now the question is, who are the common denominators who they come in contact with when they do these activities that also might be someone who came in contact with any of the other victims or associates of the other victims?

For instance, someone on the INSIDE of their world. Someone who would have known that the girls were escorts, known where/when they did most of the activities listed and most important, someone each of the girls would have trusted. That INSIDER may not be the killer(s) either but he might be associated with someone who is.

 

[marie-chantal]

We know of one (possibly two if you count AC) no-tell motel that links a couple of the victims. You're right about the daily activities of these pimps. They're not hanging out in the circles of middle class/educated people, unless they're possibly hooking someone up with drugs, or even being arrested by someone. Perhaps they have arresting officers or probation officers in common.

Do we know if either of these guys worked as an informant? I doubt that such info would be public, but this could be a link. KW had references to a particular gang in some of his pics. Could an undercover cop have made friends with him?

We have Times Square and Port Authority as two other locations that link some of the victims. We also have a Brooklyn connection. NYC is a very big area, but surely these people have run in the same circles at some point.

I think the drug angle and the police officer angle are the most likely if you don't go with the "killer found these victims on Craigslist" angle. There are many commonalities between victims who weren't on Craigslist with the GB victims that make it hard for me to ignore other angles besides Craigslist.

 

[Theforeigner]

Not IMO, but if we can find a connection between these guys, we might be able to get closer to figuring out how the killer met his victims.

Both KHALIL WHITE and AKEEM CRUZ was from BROOKLYN


http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-03-05/news/28673741_1_megan-waterman-akeem-cruz-gilgo-beach

FBI agents sought a search warrant this week to troll through the laptop of Akeem Cruz, a Brooklyn pimp and cocaine dealer, according to records filed in Brooklyn Federal Court.

Cruz, also known as "Vybe" and "Mello," was one of the last people known to have seen 22-year-old Megan Waterman alive when he pimped her out at a Holiday Inn Express in Hauppauge, L.I., around Memorial Day, according to her family and court records.

I have tried to find an address on Akeem Cruz but I have had no sucess
Anyone else have an address on him? if you do, please post it, or PM me.

 

[Redbird]

He was staying in some sleazy motel when he got busted and if he is out of jail by now he is probably staying in a sleazy motel now.