Okay now with the syringe, chloroform evidence released how do we fit the pool theory in? maybe after she killed Caylee with the cloroform, she placed her in the pool to make it appear to be a drowning and then when she could not get ahold of anyone, fished her out with the shovel placed her back in the trunk... but why put the duct tape over her mouth?
Entomology conclusion.. the body was removed from the car between June 20-27.
http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/1106/21539770.pdf
Meaning... at minimum 4 days in the trunk.. Body farm report 2.6 days. Yes, close.... But I do believe it wasn't until later that she dumped her body. (gas can incident on the 24th)...which would be 8 days. She reports to Amy June 27th that she got rid of the dead squirrel plastered to her car. So how accurately do the two really dovetail together? And how accurate is the Chloroform finding in the same report? I am sooo on the fence with the Chloroform issue.
I agree that the proximity of the bag/bottle/syringe in very curious, but do agree nothing we have seen ties it to KC. Still trying to catch up on today's posts, but something hit me today. How is it possible this was less than a foot from her remains, with the huricaines and the flood waters in the area, wouldn't be more likely to float away? Perhaps it was originally in the bag with Caylee, and later drug out by creatures. Thoughts or theories?
I'm working on a theory...
Bottom-line - she might have stolen chloroform, quite possibly from the tattoo shop, and she spilled or it leaked in the trunk.
- KC didn't make the chloroform - too hard & too lazy.
- One place she could have gotten it was the Tattoo shop. While chloroform is a banned substance in cleaning supplies, a quick Google search shows that it is used in tat shops
- Quick forum search and this was validated by a tat shop worker who posted here
- Ok - KC visited the tattoo parlour the week before she got the tattoo, didn't she? (It sounds as if she would drop in there fairly often - have to refresh my brain)
- Anyway, while researching chloroform online she notes use by tattoo artists OR she happens to see her buddy cleaning his equipment with it during a visit to the parlour
- Next visit brings a gatorade bottle with her --> Bathroom is likely near back of shop, where cleaning supplies are usually kept - inc. chloroform --> 'scuse please, I have to pee
- Swipes bottle of chloroform and tosses in backpack, or pours some in juice-bottle while in bathroom
- puts it in the trunk when she leaves
- as she is fiddling with it in the process of murdering Caylee, she spills some in the trunk. Perhaps be pouring from stolen bottle into smaller Gatorade bottle, or dousing the cloth (Mama Doll's clothes?) Many scenarios here - regardless she spilled some or it leaked.
- > CA got rid of the bigger bottle when she was cleaning out the trunk, in my little theory, btw... just sayin' <
- I still haven't seen anything definitive in regards to the amount of chloroform that was actually registering in the syringe, so I'm still on the fence about that (could be chloroform from the testing 'postive control solution' from what I am reading in the reports & results print-outs - won't know until someone figures out the amount registered)
- So at this point syringe is only part of this theory in that KC shoved the syringe in the bottle - perhaps she injected Caylee with testosterone and used Mama Doll's clothing to apply the chloroform, perhaps it was just an artifact lieing in her trunk from when she stole Tony's garbage. Lots of possibilities
Thoughts?
I just posted similar thoughts. I am thinking that KC was too hyper, too immediate in her own needs, to make chloroform in a home shared with her parents and with a brother who dropped in. And I don't think she cared a hoot about how it synthesized or reacted with anything. JMHO.
But what about the blowfly issue? Had she been in the sandbox, wouldn't they have arrived on the scene quite rapidly and easily? I know this isn't the entomology thread..but I am questioning accuracy of the body farm report, including the Chloroform results. And the car still smells 2 months later from a bagged body in the car for 2.6 days? I have a hard time believing that.BBM
Maybe they are both right. Ponder this...starting with the basic math of 4 days minus 2.6 days = 1.4 days(being the difference between the entomology and the farm). Maybe/possible the first 1.4/1.5 days was spent in the sand box or her playhouse in the yard. THEN moved to the trunk for the additional 2.5/2.6 days. If that scenario is feasible, that would make both reports correct. Thoughts???
Yes, I had forgotten that, thanks. That was way before she disappeared though, wasn't it?
Casey may have just poured some in the trunk thinking it would take the smell away and all evidence
and i wish i could help to prevent beautiful children from growing up to become killers..:innocent:
Also if she did not plan on making it, why would she research it on her putor?
She seems like she has plenty of time on her hands and the devious imagination to create evidence of a job via fake emails etc..I don't think that making Chloroform is rocket science, and afterall, someone researched it for a recipe.. I think she is more mentally/emotionally affected than stupid.. while no braniac by all means..she gets by better than average on smarts..I'm working on a theory...
Bottom-line - she might have stolen chloroform, quite possibly from the tattoo shop, and she spilled or it leaked in the trunk.
- KC didn't make the chloroform - too hard & too lazy.
- One place she could have gotten it was the Tattoo shop. While chloroform is a banned substance in cleaning supplies, a quick Google search shows that it is used in tat shops
- Quick forum search and this was validated by a tat shop worker who posted here
- Ok - KC visited the tattoo parlour the week before she got the tattoo, didn't she? (It sounds as if she would drop in there fairly often - have to refresh my brain)
- Anyway, while researching chloroform online she notes use by tattoo artists OR she happens to see her buddy cleaning his equipment with it during a visit to the parlour
- Next visit brings a gatorade bottle with her --> Bathroom is likely near back of shop, where cleaning supplies are usually kept - inc. chloroform --> 'scuse please, I have to pee
- Swipes bottle of chloroform and tosses in backpack, or pours some in juice-bottle while in bathroom
- puts it in the trunk when she leaves
- as she is fiddling with it in the process of murdering Caylee, she spills some in the trunk. Perhaps be pouring from stolen bottle into smaller Gatorade bottle, or dousing the cloth (Mama Doll's clothes?) Many scenarios here - regardless she spilled some or it leaked.
- > CA got rid of the bigger bottle when she was cleaning out the trunk, in my little theory, btw... just sayin' <
- I still haven't seen anything definitive in regards to the amount of chloroform that was actually registering in the syringe, so I'm still on the fence about that (could be chloroform from the testing 'postive control solution' from what I am reading in the reports & results print-outs - won't know until someone figures out the amount registered)
- So at this point syringe is only part of this theory in that KC shoved the syringe in the bottle - perhaps she injected Caylee with testosterone and used Mama Doll's clothing to apply the chloroform, perhaps it was just an artifact lieing in her trunk from when she stole Tony's garbage. Lots of possibilities
Thoughts?
They have analyzed the contents of the bottle and no mention is made of 'swamp water'.
Oh, I've good news everyone... I probably should have mentioned it earlier, but started posting and forgot. I'll be speaking with Tricia sometime tomorrow to get my qualifications/educational background OFFICIALLY verified and everything... yay!! I'm excited!
Someone other than Casey you mean? What makes you think it would not be Casey's?
Caylee swam at the pool at Tony's apartment, but I doubt the pool chemicals were readily available for KC to grab, so I am not sure that is meaningful in regards to your question.
ETA: - dang y'all is good. ^
Okay, I have read all 800+ posts on this thread and nobody has convinced me that this new "evidence" is at all connected to Caylee's death. I have yet to see what the proportion of chloroform was in the syringe or the bottle. I keep thinking of how this spot on Suburban was a dump site and even though Casey is a ding-a-ling she's not goofy enough to inject Caylee then repackage a syringe and throw it out near the dump site. It is also my belief that she was not thinking clearly enough at that time to be trying to frame anyone.
So, can anyone convince me otherwise?
In those particular pages/reports I did not find ANY chloroform mentioned at all in any of the samples??? And if you look carefully at that report, Q240.1(the syringe) is stated to have been within Q240(the BAG). Hmmm...I had to search for the actual documents from the FBI labs on this so I thought I would post actual link - these are on the Webleuths current docs but were hard to find :
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/11911-11987.pdf
(pages 11984 and 11985 are the report pages - the other pages show all the lab results)
Many people do this after swimming away from home, throw their suits and towels etc into the trunk so they do not wet the interior of the car.Its only meaningful to me if they through their bathing suits or towels in the trunk