DAY 17 BADEN-CLAY TRIAL WEBSLEUTHS THREAD COLLECTION TWEETS
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DAY 17 COMMENCES
Geoff and Priscilla Dickie, daughter Vanessa in court for trial day 16 #badenclay
We're in court waiting to make a start for Baden-Clay. Expecting this to be the final day.
#badenclay trial updates today from @couriermail can be found here:
http://bit.ly/1ozfsgR
Nigel and Elaine Baden-Clay, daughter Olivia and son Adam in their usual seats in court behind Gerard #badenclay
Gerard, 1m away, motionless and silent in the dock as we wait for the jury #badenclay
The jury is entering the courtroom. We'll start with Todd Fuller who is expected to finish his closing argument this morning. #badenclay
Prosecutor Todd Fuller is back on his feet. #badenclay
Day 17 has begun. Prosecutor Todd Fuller is speaking about financial situation.
Fuller is clarifying some information he gave yesterday on Gerard's financial position. #badenclay
Fuller asks how Gerard would have sold his business with Allison working there. #badenclay
Fuller says financially, leaving Allison was not an option. #badenclay
Justice John Byrne will order the Sheriff of Queensland to investigate an approach to the #badenclay jury
If Gerard was selling the business, how would that work - Fuller #badenclay
How could he afford to leave his wife - Fuller #badenclay
Fuller says Gerard told the marriage counsellor, Carmel Ritchie, his wife didn't trust him. #badenclay
Fuller says Gerard was only there because Allison wanted him to go, not because he wanted to save the marriage. #badenclay
Gerard goes to counselling with wife April 16, wants to get on with his life and wipe the slate clean - Fuller #badenclay
Fuller says the advice Gerard got from the marriage counsellor was to sit and listen to his wife. #badenclay
Advice is to sit and listen to his wife for 15 minutes at a time - Fuller #badenclay
Allison found out about the Toni McHugh affair the previous year, until then thought it was all her fault - Fuller #badenclay
Fuller says Allison always blamed herself. But after the affair, she knew someone else was at fault. #badenclay
Fuller says Allison was "over the moon" Gerard had gone to see the counsellor. He says it's an insight into her mind. #badenclay
Fuller says the phrase did not mean they were back on an even keel as Gerard suggested. #badenclay
Fuller says Gerard would have the jury believe it was just Toni McHugh making the contact. Not true. The emails show that. #badenclay
April 18. Toni says they were still having daily contact - Fuller #badenclay
Fuller says just like the explanation of the shaving cuts, just like the finances, he had to make up a story to explain actions. #badenclay
Fuller says he tells Toni McHugh he loves her, he tells her in the emails and on the phone. #badenclay
Fuller says how do you put all that together other than he loves Toni. #badenclay
Fuller says Gerard's claim that he and Allison's question and answer session was on April 18 is not true. #badenclay
Fuller says Gerard made it clear to the police early on that it was on April 19. #badenclay
Fuller is talking about the night of April 18 when Nigel and Elaine came to watch the children. #badenclay
Fuller asks is that when Allison retired for the night and wrote out her list of questions? #badenclay
Fuller says Allison retired and left her husband watching TV with his parents. #badenclay
Fuller asks if Allison was so upset about the birth of her nephew, what happens the next day? #badenclay
Fuller says April 19 was a normal day. Allison took the children to school, told friends she was happy about the birth. #badenclay
Fuller: Nobody has noticed anything unusual. #badenclay
Prosecutor Todd Fuller says Gerard's statements to police show he and Allison talked April 19, not the 18th as Gerard claimed #badenclay
If Allison was so upset about failing to produce a male heir, it is business as usual for her April 19 - Fuller #badenclay
She expressed happy about her nephew, nobody noticed anything unusual April 19 - Fuller #badenclay
She spent the day planning for the future in the business, talked about her family, laughing and joking with staff - Fuller #badenclay
All the staff described her as being excited about the conference the next day - Fuller #badenclay
Fuller says and yet, Gerard would have you believe the question and answer session happened the night before. #badenclay
Fuller says on April 19, staff described Allison as upbeat, laughing and joking, introduced a trainer to her husband. #badenclay
Fuller says Allison was excited about the conference the next day, was excited about plans for the business. #badenclay
Fuller says even Gerard told the police everything was fine, no reason that his wife would disappear. #badenclay
Fuller says Allison had a hair appointment, children were at the school cross country. #badenclay
It's all on the up for Allison - Fuller #badenclay
Fuller says the kids ate dinner at Nigel and Elaine's, then went home and were tucked into bed. #badenclay
Fuller says what we didn't hear about was the conversation with Toni McHugh, except from Toni McHugh. #badenclay
Gerard told police there was no reason his wife would disappear, everything was fine - Fuller #badenclay
Children tell us it was the normal routine that night - Fuller #badenclay
For half an hour after 5pm that day Gerard spoke to Toni McHugh - Fuller #badenclay
Fuller - phone records show Gerard #badenclay spoke to Toni McHugh for 30-odd minutes after 5pm on April 19, 2012.
Fuller says from about 5.03pm until about 5.40pm, Gerard was talking to Toni McHugh. #badenclay
Fuller says the conversation was inflamed when it was raised that Allison and Toni would be at the same conference the next day. #badenclay
Fuller says Gerard uses the words "two of my staff are going". Doesn't have the courage to say straight up it was his wife. #badenclay
Fuller says Gerard said both Allison and Toni contacted him when they bumped into each other at the gym. #badenclay
Fuller says Allison had flashbacks about it. Gerard insists he was not concerned about the two women running into each other. #badenclay
It's inflamed when he says there's something he needs to tell Toni - Fuller #badenclay
The words he uses 'there's two of my employees going' to the next days conference - Fuller #badenclay
We've heard earlier Allison had flashbacks about seeing Toni McHugh at a gym - Fuller #badenclay
But Gerard tells you he had nothing to worry about - Fuller #badenclay
How does Toni McHugh react - Fuller #badenclay
The previous year, Allison had found out about the affair. Toni realised she had to leave Gerard's business - Fuller #badenclay
When Toni found out about the conference, she told Gerard it was unfair on both her and Allison - Fuller #badenclay
The previous year, Allison had found out about the affair. Toni realised she had to leave Gerard's business - Fuller #badenclay
McHugh takes a stand, says they have to meet and sort out where they are going - Fuller #badenclay
Fuller says Gerard said both Allison and Toni contacted him when they bumped into each other at the gym. #badenclay
Fuller says Allison had flashbacks about it. Gerard insists he was not concerned about the two women running into each other. #badenclay
Fuller says Toni made the decision to leave the business herself after Allison found out about the affair. #badenclay
Fuller says Toni was angry at person who let the affair slip. No suggestion that she was angry at Gerard until he made the claim. #badenclay
Fuller asks the jury to believe Toni's version of events. Toni told Gerard it was unfair for both women to be at the conference. #badenclay
Fuller says Toni had no option. She's just started a new job. She had to go. #badenclay
She's been blindsided. She's just started a new job, has to go to the conference - Fuller #badenclay
You might think that's a significant pressure as of 5.40pm - Fuller #badenclay
Is he going to just ignore it - Fuller #badenclay
He told Toni he was thinking of selling his business - Fuller #badenclay
He'd tried to get $300,000 from MP Bruce Flegg, said he would go bankrupt, just weeks earlier - Fuller #badenclay
Roles had been reversed, Toni used to be in the business, now it was Allison - Fuller #badenclay
Toni was angry, expressed it - Fuller #badenclay
Any disclosure the next day by Toni to Allison would have catastrophic effects to him - Fuller #badenclay
Fuller says it was that afternoon, April 19, on the phone to Toni, that he said he was going to sell the business. #badenclay
Fuller says it had not been that long since Gerard had told Sue Heath on the phone that he was about to go broke. #badenclay
Fuller says Toni said she was angry on the phone, she was expressing her anger. #badenclay
Fuller says it was that afternoon, April 19, on the phone to Toni, that he said he was going to sell the business. #badenclay
Fuller says it had not been that long since Gerard had told Sue Heath on the phone that he was about to go broke. #badenclay
Fuller says Toni said she was angry on the phone, she was expressing her anger. #badenclay
Fuller says in September, 2011, Gerard had to make significant changes. He told his staff about affair, Allison came to work. #badenclay
Fuller asks what was going to happen in Allison Baden-Clay found out for a second time. #badenclay
That's what happened in September 2011 when Allison found out about the affair. She thought it was over - Fuller #badenclay
His choices were to tell Allison about the impending meeting or do nothing - Fuller #badenclay
He tried to live without Toni and couldn't do it, he had to have her back in his life - Fuller #badenclay
He was going to be shown to be disingenuous in counselling, his undertakings, promises - Fuller #badenclay
He was either going to be a coward or a fool - Fuller #badenclay
The risks to his marriage, children, friends, business were huge - Fuller #badenclay
Add that to the scratches on his face, the leaves in her hair, her blood in the car - Fuller #badenclay
Fuller says Toni insisted Gerard warn Allison. He says you might say that's significant pressure on Gerard. #badenclay
Fuller says it was that afternoon, April 19, on the phone to Toni, that he said he was going to sell the business. #badenclay
Fuller says it had not been that long since Gerard had told Sue Heath on the phone that he was about to go broke. #badenclay
Fuller says Toni said she was angry on the phone, she was expressing her anger. #badenclay
Fuller says in September, 2011, Gerard had to make significant changes. He told his staff about affair, Allison came to work. #badenclay
Fuller asks what was going to happen in Allison Baden-Clay found out for a second time. #badenclay
Fuller says Gerard claimed he did nothing about the two women meeting the next day, that he had no concern. #badenclay
Fuller: When the ultimatum was coming the second time, what decision would he make. #badenclay
Fuller says he was going to be shown to be disingenuous, a coward or a fool. #badenclay
Fuller says you would think the person risks to Gerard were huge. #badenclay
Yet he doesn't mention any of these events when he talks to the police that day - Fuller #badenclay
Add that to the scratches on his face, the leaves in her hair, her blood in the car - Fuller #badenclay
When he gets up, he has no explanation for his phone being put o charge at 1.48am - Fuller #badenclay
There's phone calls to Allison almost straight away. Why? - Fuller #badenclay
Why straight after 6.32am does he begin a series of calls - Fuller #badenclay
He says she normally goes for a walk. Would you be concerned by that time of the morning - Fuller #badenclay
Gerard hasn't moved in the dock since Crown prosecutor Todd Fuller QC resumed his closing statement this morning - Fuller #badenclay
Yet he doesn't mention any of these events when he talks to the police that day - Fuller #badenclay
Add that to the scratches on his face, the leaves in her hair, her blood in the car - Fuller #badenclay
When he gets up, he has no explanation for his phone being put o charge at 1.48am - Fuller #badenclay
There's phone calls to Allison almost straight away. Why? - Fuller #badenclay
Why straight after 6.32am does he begin a series of calls - Fuller #badenclay
He says she normally goes for a walk. Would you be concerned by that time of the morning - Fuller #badenclay
Gerard hasn't moved in the dock since Crown prosecutor Todd Fuller QC resumed his closing statement this morning - Fuller #badenclay
Fuller says he was in jeopardy, in respect to his friends, family, business. #badenclay
Fuller says you add that to the scratches, the blood in the car, the leaves in her hair. #badenclay
Fuller says Gerard has no explanation for his charger being connected at 1.48am other than it must have been Allison. #badenclay
Fuller says that morning, April 20, there are a series of phone calls to Allison almost straight away. #badenclay
Fuller says, why is that? He doesn't know what time Allison is supposed to be meeting Kate Rankine for the conference. #badenclay
Fuller is showing the text message Gerard sent to Allison at 6.41am asking where she is. #badenclay
Fuller says where are you? The cars are there, she could only have gone for a walk. #badenclay
Fuller says the message talks about girls being up, making lunches. It was always the plan for Gerard to get girls ready. #badenclay
Fuller says Gerard didn't bundle the girls into the car and do a quick couple of laps. He called his parents and waited for them. #badenclay
Gerard's text message to his wife at 6.41am shown to court - Fuller #badenclay
A text earlier then that as well - Fuller #badenclay
At 6.44am he calls his parents. Doesn't put the kids in the car and do some laps - Fuller #badenclay
Requires his father to come over - Fuller #badenclay
He calls police, Indooroopilly, before he has looked for his wife - Fuller #badenclay
Gerard's text message to his wife at 6.41am shown to court - Fuller #badenclay
A text earlier then that as well - Fuller #badenclay