Trial Discussion Thread #52 - 14.11.9, Day 41 ~announcement of the verdict~

[zwiebel]

Ugh. Wish he'd use a tissue.

 

[Fuskier]

The seal is up on wildabouttrial.com. Over to our Zwiebel.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Respectfully, I don't agree. The State charged OP will killing "a person, to wit, Reeva"

Are you sure J Masipa is on the same page? I don't think so.

I agree with you, Nel argued the fact with OP on the stand, that he wanted to shoot and kill 'somebody'. Nel tried to make that clear.

Why is J Masipa ignoring this? I think I'm going to blow my top any minute. :stormingmad:

 

[atthelake]

It is not a challenge to an as yet unknown verdict but on a point of law.

Thanks for clarifying what I was trying to point out!

 

[Mr Fossil]

What does that phrase really mean though. To wit Reeve? Could still only related to reeva who is a person.

'To wit' means 'that is to say' in legal parlance. Reeva is the evidence that he did indeed kill someone, to put it crudely

 

[atthelake]

Cleared cache so no hang ups/buffering tonight - check
Bluetooth speakers hooked up - check
Shut down/restart.... and come up on new thread...

:seeya:

 

[delilah]

Just caught up with yesterday's event having been away yesterday - ironically, at a funeral.

i was not surprised that Masipa dismissed a lot of the state's evidence - the eye/ear witness testimony (humans are notoriously bad witnesses), the stomach contents (doesn't prove anything either way), the whatsapp messages (worrying, but ultimately don't prove anything).

the big problem in the state's case was always the timeline - the bat vs gunshot sounds. Nel never put together a state timeline and didn't explain the first set of noises. Roux did, albeit by being economical with what bits of evidence he selected.

So I'm not surprised Masipa concluded the state had not proven that OP intended to kill RS (although I believe he probably did).

what I don't understand is how, firing four shots into a small area having armed himself, and having shown that he went through a conscious decision making process beforehand (which Masipa concluded he had), this does not mean he is guilty of murder.

i do, though, wish people would refrain from making ridiculous allegations that Masipa has been bribed or whatever. That is so disrespectful.

 

[Suthrnqt]

Pretoria Rekord ‏@RekordNewspaper 3m
Media and public waiting to get in courtroom. Proceedings expected to start at 09 : 30 #OscarPistorius

andrew harding ‏@BBCAndrewH 7m
Meanwhile, Reeva Steenkamp's parents are already back in court and journalist scrum awaits #OscarPistorius arrival outside.

BBC Africa ‏@BBCAfrica 4m
RT @BBCAndrewH Reeva Steenkamp's parents are already back in court and journalist scrum awaits #OscarPistorius arrival outside.

BBM

FYI: Scrum can be a group of penguins, a offensive maneuver in Rugby or a set of computer software. Which one are the journalists?? Lol

 

[zwiebel]

The seal is up on wildabouttrial.com. Over to our Zwiebel.

I'm just slowly hypnotising myself, listening to the kerplunks on whoopwhoop.

http://whoopwhoop.tv/pistoriusradio.htm

 

[04009margaret]

BBM So the PT can appeal the verdict? Is there no double jeopardy rule in SA?

Yes on an error in law but Martin Hood has said that the Nel can also appeal on the interpretation of the facts

 

[atthelake]

Radio is on! Reviewing now live

http://whoopwhoop.tv/pistoriusradio.htm

 

[Forensics]

...where is everyone?

 

[supernovaNic]

On Wildabout... Misapa is talking. Is this from yesterday?

 

[zwiebel]

Arriving.....
https://mobile.twitter.com/JacaNews

 

[Fuskier]

Judge is covering tests for Negligence.

 

[zwiebel]

Whoop's broadcasting now. Chats, not trial yet.

http://whoopwhoop.tv/pistoriusradio.htm

 

[Fuskier]

Judge now dealing with accused's disability.

 

[RosieC]

If that's your opinion Rosie, I can't see why you can't state it. That's why we are careful here to add JMO, MOO, etc lol

Thanks, PrimeSuspect. OMG, so I should add JMO, IMO, IMHO, IOW, HTH, MYOB, LOL. (all Tongue in Cheek, AKA TIC) And MOO to you too! Cheers!

 

[zwiebel]

andrew harding (@BBCAndrewH) tweeted at 9:07am - 12 Sep 14:

In court. #OscarPistorius just arrived. He's looking, dare I say, more relaxed than usual. (https://twitter.com/BBCAndrewH/status/510323773250486272)

 

[Forensics]

I think ENCa is replaying yesterday's session....we have not yet started today.