TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #3

[Ebony526]

I don’t at all believe this was paradoxical undressing. I also don’t believe his condition, when he undressed, was fatal. IMO

What do you think then? Why do you think he undressed?

 

[Lulingresident6]

For anyone who lives in the area and are familiar with Salt Flat Road, what is the average speed one of the oil trucks would drive on that gravel road? I can't imagine anyone stopping to pick up a guy who is nude and hitchhiking along the road in the middle of the night. I could see them immediately calling LE to have them go check it out. Would the oil trucks along that road drive slow enough that he could jump out of the weeds, grab onto metal framework on the back and get a foot hold to ride along down the road and jump off closer toward a populated area? He very well may have succumbed to suspected injuries, albeit much further down the road.

No. Most of the trucks are pickups and are driving 15-20 miles an hour. The tank trucks are typically only out there during the day. I don't think there is any way that happened. Also, my understanding is they searched a long way back towards Luling.

 

[Lulingresident6]

I personally don’t think he was in any condition to jump on the back of a moving oil truck, sadly. I think he’s closer by the accident, but just out of the range they searched. I feel like they need to get all the landowners along that whole route to agree to another massive search but with volunteers this time. Waivers must be signed of course. I understand the liability concerns, but this is a situation where I think it’s VERY likely he’s in that area. I just can’t stand how his parents must feel hundreds of miles away knowing where he probably is but not being able to find him. A big volunteer search could cover a lot more ground in a shorter time. MOO

As I said in an earlier post, I'd like to walk down Plum Creek from 1322 all the way into Luling (7 miles or so). Steep banks, hard to crawl out of and since it has rained a few times since the accident, water may have washed things further downstream. I always look over the bridges.

 

[Lulingresident6]

So yesterday, I read about a case of 2 Texas A & M students, one found dead in his dorm room, and the other was missing. I just saw on ABC news that the missing student was also found dead, miles from campus, after being missing for 2 days.

Body found during search for missing Texas A&M Galveston student

I realize Galveston is a few hours away from UT, where Jason went to school, but I'm starting to think there is a bad batch of drugs going around TX campuses. That's the only thing that makes sense, other than Covid, is it not?

Follow the minute-by-minute timeline leading up to missing Missouri City student's crash

Texas A&M Galveston is about 4.5 hours away from Luling. JL also went to Texas State in San Marcos, not The University of Texas which is in Austin.

 

[mlhenn]

Caldwell County Sheriff's Office
Ok, I took the press release and snipped and bolded some parts and added my questions and analytical thoughts in blue. If anyone wants to discuss.




Investigators have now gained access to most of Jason’s phone and computer data. Investigators are still waiting for some search warrants from social media/ tech companies to be returned and will immediately process that data upon receipt.

We are asking the public’s assistance with any information which may further the investigation.

At 11:11 PM, Jason As Jason goes through the intersection of Hackberry St. where Hwy 80 becomes Austin St., Jason quits using the Waze application, and begins using the Snapchat application on his cell. Jason continues on Austin St. to the intersection with U.S. Hwy. 183 (Magnolia Ave.). It is believed that Jason continued straight through that intersection, continuing onto E. Austin. At this intersection, Jason’s digital footprint essentially stops. It is believed that he continues on E. Austin onto Spruce St. which turns into Salt Flat Road. I wonder how and why they believe it continued on? Do they spot it on camera somewhere? Or is it just because of the location it ended up?
Jason’s vehicle is found abandoned in the 2300 block of Salt Flat Road at 31 minutes after Midnight on 12.14.20.

The approximate 67 minute window, between the last data footprint at Austin and Magnolia and the discovery of the crash scene, is what investigators are focusing on. Jason’s phone had cell signal and was powered on, investigators are still trying to determine why it doesn’t appear to have been used since the area of Magnolia Ave. and Austin St. Which makes sense to question this because if he was using Waze before he started using Snapchat why wouldn’t he go back to using Waze? Something happened at that intersection. I’m not sure he was ever in that car alone again.

The volunteer firefighter, who discovered Jason’s abandoned vehicle, did not enter the vehicle. The Trooper who responded to the scene, almost an hour later, also did not enter the vehicle.

Are they telling this to squash questions about dogs scent problems?

Jason’s vehicle has been processed for DNA and any blood evidence with the assistance of the Texas Rangers. There was no evidence of blood inside the vehicle.
Someone else’s DNA wouldn’t tell anything correct? Could they run all prints found?

There is no evidence that Jason was traveling to meet with or had communicated intent to meet with anyone in or around Luling.
I’m going to analyze it’s like we always do statements from LE. They say there is no evidence because they have no evidence right now. This does not mean that they will not ever have evidence. They also stated they do not have access to all of his social media. To me it’s possible they don’t have access to Snapchat and that could easily be where a meet up was arranged.


At this time, there is no evidence that an unknown person of interest is involved in this incident and investigators believe that there is no threat to our community.
Again, “at this time”
Investigators have reviewed hundreds of hours of video from cameras in and around Luling, none of which have produced any evidentiary findings.
I’m guessing they mean during that 67 minutes? Guessing they have video somewhere of him being alone in car.
Members of the public, who have game cameras on private property, or private surveillance video from the area, are encouraged to review that as soon as possible. You may contact our office for assistance in reviewing video, if needed.
Yep, I suggested that as did others here. Too bad it wasn’t suggested during the search. I personally can find landowners nearby posting game camera video so I know it’s out there. There’s also an app that shows deer blinds in the area. Does anybody have that one?
Please review the most current missing person flyer, with an updated picture showing Jason within an hour of him going missing.

Anyone with information is encouraged to contact any of the following investigators:

Detective Ferry with the Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office, 512-398-6777 Ext. 4516 or by email: Jeff.Ferry@co.caldwell.tx.us

Investigator Abel Pena, with PM Investigations by phone: (210) 954-1476 or by email: pminvestigations9221@gmail.com
I’m curious how this works. Does the state employ them? https://www.pminvestigations.org/pminvestigationscom
20 years former FBI

Investigator Tuleta Copeland, with Leverage Investigations at Justice@LeverageInvestigations.com
20 years former FBI

My thoughts on hiring these two PI firms that have extensive FBI backgrounds. They suspect or know that this is drug related and with the recent huge FBI stings involving cartels in and around Caldwell county I’m going to bet this could be related.

I also hope that they have spoken to anyone he had the Venmo transactions with.

Wow, awesome post! A lot of thought went into making such a thorough post IMO! Great way to share what stands out & questions you have.
Hope there’s closure for Jason’s family soon...

 

[Lulingresident6]

I just have to say, LE has told us everything they CAN...not everything they KNOW. Quite different. They always preface things with "at the moment we have no evidence, then later in cases that evidence may arise.

Trust me, they know more than they are disclosing. Possibly because they've gotten tips that haven't been substantiated or fully investigated.

 

[nao]

I listen to the police scanner. An amazing amount of people get naked when high. Chemical highs usually. Moo

 

[Lulingresident6]

FYI, I ride by the accident site a few times a week. There are so many different things that could have happened to JL. Who knows the real story. I know his parents just want to know. It has to be driving them crazy wondering if he's still alive, if someone is holding him, if he's out in the middle of a field somewhere. As a parent, I can't imagine the grief. I do know that if, God forbid, anything happens to one of my children, I definitely won't be looking on the internet to see what people are saying about it. We've heard many different rumors locally, but I have heard from reliable sources that those were all untrue. I've ridden our 4 wheeler out there a few times and have looked in culverts, ponds I can see from the road, looked over bridges, etc., but there is so much land, much of which contains dense overgrowth, that he could be anywhere.

 

[Seattle1]

What do you think then? Why do you think he undressed?

Given the totality of the evidence known thus far including JL's detour from the simple route to the HI10 interchange, traveling 5 miles out of his way, far from anything remotely of interest other than a cemetery and disposal site, I think JL was simply impaired and this condition resulted in him wrecking his vehicle. I believe finding his clothes so close to his wrecked vehicle was part of the drug-induced psychosis he was experiencing. We know today that there was probably no head wound or impact to his head during the crash. I also think JL will be recovered very close to the crash scene. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Texas A&M Galveston is about 4.5 hours away from Luling. JL also went to Texas State in San Marcos, not The University of Texas which is in Austin.

Actually, he transferred to San Marcos from Univ of Tx, Austin last year but it's really not relevant to him missing.

 

[Seattle1]

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[kittythehare]

Given the totality of the evidence known thus far including JL's detour from the simple route to the HI10 interchange, traveling 5 miles out of his way, far from anything remotely of interest other than a cemetery and disposal site, I think JL was simply impaired and this condition resulted in him wrecking his vehicle. I believe finding his clothes so close to his wrecked vehicle was part of the drug-induced psychosis he was experiencing. We know today that there was probably no head wound or impact to his head during the crash. I also think JL will be recovered very close to the crash scene. MOO

I do not believe we know there was no impact to his head, though I believe he didn't have an injury that caused external bleeding.
I think, that if it is a thing that his weed had been laced with a hallucinogen that, depending upon which one, it is possible and likely he experienced physical or mental symptoms,or both.
ETA, if indeed he had already smoked some.
I wonder whether traces were found in his vehicle or clothing?

 

[Maplesyrup]

As I said in an earlier post, I'd like to walk down Plum Creek from 1322 all the way into Luling (7 miles or so). Steep banks, hard to crawl out of and since it has rained a few times since the accident, water may have washed things further downstream. I always look over the bridges.

How deep are the side walls of Plum Creek? Is it a fast moving creek prone to sudden flooding? How far is Plum Creek from the crash site and could a person*hear* water running [if Jason happened to get near it stumbling in the dark]?

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Linking this article because it says additional searches are planned.
New details released in search for missing Texas State student
CCSO says additional searches for Landry are being planned and organized. Investigators have also reviewed hundreds of hours of video from cameras in and around Luling which have not provided any evidence. The public is asked to review footage from any cameras on their property in the area as soon as possible.

 

[Buffchick]

Been watching this case since the beginning but haven’t chimed in. Just some thoughts - what if he did drop his phone at that intersection? It goes down in between the seat and center console. While trying to get it out he is distracted and goes through the intersection. Maybe he drove for a bit and had his hand down trying to find it, leaning down and loses control? Or tries to overcorrect and slides out? I know I’ve dropped my phone before and have often just left it until I stop because digging for it has became a driving hazard.
Also, what if after he wrecked was when he decided to smoke the weed? Maybe he was stressed out, trying to figure out what to do and took everything out of the car, rummaged through his backpack and grabbed one blunt out. Maybe it was laced and caused him to react at that point. JMO

 

[kittythehare]

Been watching this case since the beginning but haven’t chimed in. Just some thoughts - what if he did drop his phone at that intersection? It goes down in between the seat and center console. While trying to get it out he is distracted and goes through the intersection. Maybe he drove for a bit and had his hand down trying to find it, leaning down and loses control? Or tries to overcorrect and slides out? I know I’ve dropped my phone before and have often just left it until I stop because digging for it has became a driving hazard.
Also, what if after he wrecked was when he decided to smoke the weed? Maybe he was stressed out, trying to figure out what to do and took everything out of the car, rummaged through his backpack and grabbed one blunt out. Maybe it was laced and caused him to react at that point. JMO

Good points-well made!
A habitual smoker would probably reach for a smoke to help them calm down.
If the weed was new, bought for Christmas, he may not have sampled it before.
Sheriff's statement describes the accident as an over-correction.
Trying to find a phone could well account for a temporary distraction as you describe so well.
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[Seattle1]

I do not believe we know there was no impact to his head, though I believe he didn't have an injury that caused external bleeding.
I think, that if it is a thing that his weed had been laced with a hallucinogen that, depending upon which one, it is possible and likely he experienced physical or mental symptoms,or both.
ETA, if indeed he had already smoked some.
I wonder whether traces were found in his vehicle or clothing?

In my experience, LE doesn't mention the possibility of something like marijuana-laced with a hallucinogen unless they suspect it true. In other words -- I think LE believes JL was under the influence of a drug/hallucinogen, and this contributed to both his accident and his departure from the scene.

We don't know if he used any weed on Sunday or if this was his untouched stash for his holiday break. He also could have ingested something that led to his demise. This can't be determined without recovering his body.

Looking at the roadway, terrain, vehicle, and damage to the vehicle, it's not difficult to recreate the accident using simulation software. We know the windshield and driver's windows are intact and I believe investigators swabbed these surfaces and most likely determined very early whether or not there was evidence of JL's head or body making impact with these surfaces.

From the earliest reports, LE stated they did not believe JL sustained any injury in the accident and was able to walk away. The presser was an opportunity to revise this statement and I don't think their position changed. This is not to say JL suffered no injury from the crash but I think based on the date and recent information released by CCSO, it's more unlikely.

MOO

 

[kittythehare]

In my experience, LE doesn't mention the possibility of something like marijuana-laced with a hallucinogen unless they suspect it true. In other words -- I think LE believes JL was under the influence of a drug/hallucinogen, and this contributed to both his accident and his departure from the scene.

We don't know if he used any weed on Sunday or if this was his untouched stash for his holiday break. He also could have ingested something that led to his demise. This can't be determined without recovering his body.

Looking at the roadway, terrain, vehicle, and damage to the vehicle, it's not difficult to recreate the accident using simulation software. We know the windshield and driver's windows are intact and I believe investigators swabbed these surfaces and most likely determined very early whether or not there was evidence of JL's head or body making impact with these surfaces.

From the earliest reports, LE stated they did not believe JL sustained any injury in the accident and was able to walk away. The presser was an opportunity to revise this statement and I don't think their position changed. This is not to say JL suffered no injury from the crash but I think based on the date and recent information released by CCSO, it's more unlikely.

MOO

There simply is no way to tell that somebody remained uninjured following a crash, apart from an obvious large quantity of blood inconsistent with a sustained life.
He could well have bashed his head without leaving a sizeable dent anywhere, force ,contact and location.
Another possibility is that he sustained a brain injury organically, an aneurysmal rupture, for example, unrelated to crash injury, a simple spontaneous rupture . (I was brushing my horse when mine occurred, there was a helluva task afterwards trying to convince people the horse hadn't thrown me, hadn't galloped off with me or was a dangerous beast in any shape size or fashion.)
I'm making the point because these things happen.

I'm not doubting the weed was laced. They put a huge effort into quelling rumors that plagued this case, they were not about to start another.

I think his ultimate destination was either brain injury related or spiked weed related.
I'm 50/50 with both as equal possibilities.
ETA their exact wording in relation to injury

A single blood smear was detected on the clothes. This blood spot was small and was not indicative of serious bodily injury. It is possible that an injury causing the blood spot occurred as Jason was exiting the vehicle and came into contact with the barbed wire fence or foliage.
Caldwell County Sheriff's Office

 

[Lulingresident6]

How deep are the side walls of Plum Creek? Is it a fast moving creek prone to sudden flooding? How far is Plum Creek from the crash site and could a person*hear* water running [if Jason happened to get near it stumbling in the dark]?

I'd say at some points the banks are 15 or so feet above the water. It's not prone to sudden flooding, but with a decent amount of rain, it will be fast moving and can wash logs, trash and other heavy objects downstream. Unless it's after a hard rain, I don't think you could hear rushing water. It had not rained for quite a while (drought conditions, burn ban) before the accident and it didn't rain until a few weeks after the accident, so if JL went into Plum Creek at the time of the accident, the water wasn't rushing and in some places there was likely no water at all.

 

[swedeheart]

Starts at about 11.48:

Really cool to see the area where his car was found on the map, up close and personal, in a video, with Gray's direction. I recommend this one for anyone following closely. John Lordan's was good, too.