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FWIW, SWFA removed their youtube videos.
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FWIW, SWFA removed their youtube videos.
Here is a plan of the church hallways. I have placed the hallway seen in the very end of the video to the East side of the building. IMO that's the only side that fits the lack of windows/ doors across the sanctuary, where you see the perp exiting door number 12. Corrections and additions welcome, as always.
I agree with this as my thought too but how did SP escape camera for attack and leaving since this proves camera covering the door area? Just outside the doors?Through the doors that are propped open is.... imo where
Missy was attacked. It is my feeling SP then escaped out of the SW doors (where her truck was parked) which is why he/she is never seen on video again
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Would you be able to give a broader hint?FWIW, SWFA removed their youtube videos.
What are you seeing it propped open with? I'm not seeing an object to hold open and wonder if SP went in/out but sliced video due to LE doesn't show it.Last night, arkansasmimi posted this still shot from the 2:26 MPD video fromat mark 1:48. The DD doors down the hallway are open and I believe this is the point where SP begins walking toward this camera veering to the right to the auditorium doors - all eyes focused on SP. I never noticed that at the lower right, it looks like one of the porte cochere interior doors is propped open. This may already have been discussed at length.
Awesome job and very helpful! Thank you!Here is a plan of the church hallways. I have placed the hallway seen in the very end of the video to the East side of the building. IMO that's the only side that fits the lack of windows/ doors across the sanctuary, where you see the perp exiting door number 12. Corrections and additions welcome, as always.
ETA: THE CAMERA THAT PIBBLE PAL POSTED IN THE TOP LEFT *SE CORNER... THAT IS ONLY MEANT TO BE A LEGEND....NOT THAT THERE WAS A CAMERA THERE -She was only trying to help make a more clear diagram from my hen scratch... THERE are no showing cameras on the exterior of the building from any video or photos I have see, some as recent as last week taken. If there are exterior cameras, my 6 eyes don't see them -yet (2 God given, and prescription glasses w/bifocals lol) Outside, I have seen and can document: #1 on NW front, #2 between the metal door and double set of windows NW side ** Not the broken window side, #3 at the entry doors on at Covered Awning. Seems link there is another but mind went blank at moment. JMHOThis question is for arkansasmimi
In your (awesome !) floorplan I see a double door on the SE corner of the church. Is this confirmed or did you change it since this version ( May 5)?
I am asking, since this would be the location the perp is hammering glass (?) as seen in the video. Would he have hammered that double door??
Thank you,
Nin
FWIW, SWFA removed their youtube videos.
Photo#1 - Is this the porte cochere end of the main hallway, or the other end? Is that the little windowless hallway that runs along the SW patio where locals said yes, those are restrooms in that area (plus vent in roof, and no windows on westside exterior)? In this photo, where are the security cameras up high in that corner (too dark to see? ceiling mounted?)?This is a distinct possibility, and it is just as possible as SP hiding in the vestibule. In this scenario, SP would be hiding in the hallway on the south side of the building. By hiding in that hallway at the corner, SP could have delivered his/her first blow to the back of MB's head. As for hiding in the vestibule, SP could have been in the building of the church until he/she saw MB arrive. When he heard MB's door close, he could have given her a few seconds to begin walking toward the front of the church. At that point, SP could have moved to the vestibule. I am 50/50 as to whether MB was attacked in the vestibule of the SW corner of the building (in the hallway). PoirityinMotion, are those your thoughts?
Mimi posted before that this CG camp was continuous for 7 1/2 months per MB's FB.Because, SP is familiar with Missy's routine. She had been at Creekside doing the 5:00 am for 3 years?! (during that time there had to be a number of rain days.) SP knew exactly where MB would enter and knew where to attack her without cameras. It also appears to be dark in the vestibule. Another plus.
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My theory too and I don't think she was confronted at all. I think she never knew what hit her. I think SP was lying in wait, either shot her blindsided or hit her in her head blindsided knocking her down and unconscious. Then the rest as DeDee has theorized with then continued hitting and disfiguring MB leaving little or smaller crimescene all confined to one area and likely floor level.This is also PoirityinMotion's theory as well. However, and this makes sense, PoirityinMotion
feels ( or did feel) that MB got bopped before she could unlock the SW inside doors so she wouldn't be able to escape.
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Interesting, gliving. Does anyone know what this means or possibly means? What could be seen on the videos? Thanks!
I see a walker and a wheelchair.Thanks. How did you know I was going to ask? Just to the right of the reporter's upper left arm, inside the glass, that does indeed look like a wheelchair! Does anyone know what the other object is - a chair? The timestamp for the news report is 10:06PM on 4/18/2016, 17 hours after the murder. In the vestibule murder theory, then they had already cleaned the entire vestibule area and placed the wheelchair back in storage position? (The wheelchair being approx. where MB's body's was found in this theory.)
Originally Posted by rodee34 View Post
Dang! You're right! Can anybody tell what those shiney objects are between the doors? Handles?
One shiny object is part of the door push, the two further left appear to be a wheelchair wheel. Often churches will offer wheelchairs at their entrances to assist elderly and disabled folks.
Photo#1 - Is this the porte cochere end of the main hallway, or the other end? Is that the little windowless hallway that runs along the SW patio where locals said yes, those are restrooms in that area (plus vent in roof, and no windows on westside exterior)? In this photo, where are the security cameras up high in that corner (too dark to see? ceiling mounted?)?
Photo#2A - In the bottom left corner of photo, the corner turn to the little hallway at the bottom of wall/baseboards can be seen (it isn't shown in all photos).
#2B - at the far end of the main hallway, you can see the double glass doors at that (NW) end (someone was asking).
#3 - Mimi's floorplan is dated May 5. JMO I think the extra little hallway by the bulletin board doesn't belong there - maybe there is a recessed door.
This is a distinct possibility, and it is just as possible as SP hiding in the vestibule. In this scenario, SP would be hiding in the hallway on the south side of the building. By hiding in that hallway at the corner, SP could have delivered his/her first blow to the back of MB's head.
As for hiding in the vestibule, SP could have been in the building of the church until he/she saw MB arrive. When he heard MB's door close, he could have given her a few seconds to begin walking toward the front of the church. At that point, SP could have moved to the vestibule. I am 50/50 as to whether MB was attacked in the vestibule of the SW corner of the building (in the hallway).
PoirityinMotion, are those your thoughts?
Originally Posted by debbiegarcia36 View Post
What I am curious about is how did SP know to lie in wait for MB in the SW corner? In ther words, how did SP know in advance she would be heading that way especially if class was normally held outside. Because of the rain it was going to be held inside that day, is that correct?. Perhaps the main front doors remained unlocked after Missy opened them and that is how the first arrivals entered the building.
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Catching up on this thread, so may have already been addressed.Because, SP is familiar with Missy's routine. She had been at Creekside doing the 5:00 am for 3 years?! (during that time there had to be a number of rain days.) SP knew exactly where MB would enter and knew where to attack her without cameras. It also appears to be dark in the vestibule. Another plus.
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NIN posted another photo of that door propped open here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...T-gear-18-Apr-2016-30&p=12660313#post12660313What are you seeing it propped open with? I'm not seeing an object to hold open and wonder if SP went in/out but sliced video due to LE doesn't show it.
One shiny object is part of the door push, the two further left appear to be a wheelchair wheel. Often churches will offer wheelchairs at their entrances to assist elderly and disabled folks.