I don't understand why PR's alleged crimes followed a pattern and occurred around The Piper and his home. And yet he decided to flash on Wellesley Av, far from another club, his home and 2 weeks before LS vanishes.
Fair point , Thanks MF.The Humberside Police site (and various news reports) describe them as possible/potential witnesses.
Timeline is at the start of the thread; it's always carried over for reference.
I'm not up on police procedurals, but this case has made me appreciate what a tightrope the police have to walk. If they reassure the public, that is tantamount to saying PR'S our man, before they've even charged him or presented evidence to a jury. It also highlights to me how easily miscarriages of justice could have happened in the past - PR's involvement seems open and shut to many of us, and a hundred years ago he'd have been hanged already (Oscar Slater comes to mind). But the police don't have enough evidence to charge him (yet) and if they never do find it, we need to accept he's innocent, albeit the unluckiest man in Hull. I agree with the poster who said that, for us, this is like trying to solve a jigsaw with a third of the pieces.
Not sure why I'm so obsessed and invested in this case. I hate to say it but I suspect it's because Libby looks and seems like a "good girl". And if this can happen to a good girl it could happen to anyone.
(The crime author Denise Mina is very good on the necessity of managing the victim's persona not only in the public perception but the police working on the case, to maintain sympathy and interest.)
I think MsMiniSleuth meant that if Libby is one of the four people in the Oak Road CCTV then how would the screaming be explained, since (if it is her) she seems to look perfectly fine in the footage, which was recorded well after all the reports of screams.
Does anyone know what time the suspect got home after picking LS up? I haven’t seen it reported anywhere and it would give a huge clue about how far he could have travelled.
Does anyone know what time the suspect got home after picking LS up? I haven’t seen it reported anywhere and it would give a huge clue about how far he could have travelled.
We don't even know he DID, remember. That was only alluded to by his sister. There has been no police corroboration on that.
Its kinda wierd how the police cant even question PR anymore.
One of the charges laid against PR was ;
"Between January 25 and January 28, 2019, you entered as a trespasser in Ventnor Street and stole a computer laptop, a Kindle, a speaker, a quantity of sex toys, condoms, knickers and photographs."
So thats just days before Libby went missing. That makes me think the police found that stuff searching his house , and if he coudnt bring himself to get rid of that stuff , what if he kept something of Libbys as a momento , like her knickers. If the police found something damning like that , proceeduraly what are the niceties around formally charging him with murder , are there any obligations that they have to do it asap or would it be acceptable practice for them to wait. They might have enough and are just bidding there time , idk.
21 days of searching for Libby: Everything that has happened
It was on here Stella. If you scroll down a way to the narrative timeline for 19/20 Feb, it appears under the video/photo caption?
Yeah StellaHmmm, that is odd (and a bit concerning!) No idea where Hull Live got that from. It does look like it could be a hi viz, but guess we need to stick to the police appeal info
Its kinda wierd how the police cant even question PR anymore.
One of the charges laid against PR was ;
"Between January 25 and January 28, 2019, you entered as a trespasser in Ventnor Street and stole a computer laptop, a Kindle, a speaker, a quantity of sex toys, condoms, knickers and photographs."
So thats just days before Libby went missing. That makes me think the police found that stuff searching his house , and if he coudnt bring himself to get rid of that stuff , what if he kept something of Libbys as a momento , like her knickers. If the police found something damning like that , proceeduraly what are the niceties around formally charging him with murder , are there any obligations that they have to do it asap or would it be acceptable practice for them to wait. They might have enough and are just bidding there time , idk.
Lucky so far...But if a on the spur moment abduction/attack he probably did not potentially hide a body well, ran off panicking ...I wonder did he go back again possibly on same night to recover body, potentially quite quickly somewhere between when the key witnesses are around on cctv footage at croda, hence why police are keen to trace them, may have heard seen someone...
I'm with you SVS have been on this line of thinking for a while now.
I'm still not convinced no other vehicle was used either.
She could have been put in a container or case of some sort (hate thinking that but that's where I'm at) .
Think theyre called the Edgecumbe Street Allotments M.B.? Hmm or Newland Allotments?Not seen any reports or pics pf LE there. Interesting though re local offences etcAnybody Know if there have been any searches at the allotments at the bottom of raglan street where he lives? Knowing how close he likes his crimes , wouldn’t be surprised if something turns up there...
Its kinda wierd how the police cant even question PR anymore.
One of the charges laid against PR was ;
"Between January 25 and January 28, 2019, you entered as a trespasser in Ventnor Street and stole a computer laptop, a Kindle, a speaker, a quantity of sex toys, condoms, knickers and photographs."
So thats just days before Libby went missing. That makes me think the police found that stuff searching his house , and if he coudnt bring himself to get rid of that stuff , what if he kept something of Libbys as a momento , like her knickers. If the police found something damning like that , proceeduraly what are the niceties around formally charging him with murder , are there any obligations that they have to do it asap or would it be acceptable practice for them to wait. They might have enough and are just bidding there time , idk.
I would hope that the police have searched them - IIRC they searched the ones near Oak Road but not sure about the ones near Raglan. Surely there is some sort of list of people that own sheds/land in the allotments, so they'd know if he or someone he's close to has a space there and would have searched that ages ago. Even if he doesn't, I would think they'd have searched there anyway, but I'll try to find a link to MSM which mentions LE looking there - although I don't recall seeing anything off the top of my head.Think theyre called the Edgecumbe Street Allotments M.B.? Hmm or Newland Allotments?Not seen any reports or pics pf LE there. Interesting though re local offences etc
Bad with maps etc so cant be sure where you mean!
No I think they're just suggesting that since he allegedly likes nicking knickers that he may have stolen something of Libby's (if he does have anything to do with her disappearance).Are you saying Libby lives on Ventnor Street?