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Thank you so much @Strontium69 for thinking of us who live too far away to do this but are no less saddened x
ITV also said police have "discounted" accidental death and that she was either murdered or it was manslaughter.
I couldn't help but feel really saddened and touched when I heard the positive ID of Libby. It shocked me as to how upset I felt. Even though most of us were pretty certain she was dead for the entirety of the search and investigation, I felt like we somehow got to know her a little. I found myself unable to look at photos or videos of her any more, I just found it too upsetting. For someone I never met and never knew, it's a new and odd experience for me.
Anyway, I felt compelled to show my respects so I visited the bench today.
I printed out some of your comments and wishes from this thread, and I gifted a bunch of white roses, on behalf of you all...
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I tied the comments and the roses to the back of the bench...
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The thing that really got me, while I was tying the messages and the roses to the bench, was the smell of scented candles thick in the air. By a fluke of where the bench is, it's out of the wind, and there are lots of little candles burning there. The smell of them just broke me up, it really did.
While I was about to leave I noticed a woman and 2 girls with some flowers. Apologies for the video being from the other side of the road, bit I didn't want to intrude.
There were 5 or 6 media vans there. And there was a couple of people walking around with BBC lanyards on. Some young lass was hovering while I was there, I did speak to her. She was from the press, radio in Leeds, and was keeping her distance, she looked terrified when I spoke to her! I told her I wasn't going to attack her, she looked relieved! I guess that there are plenty of places these reporters are sent where they are not appreciated by the locals.
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Thank you so much for doing this. What a beautiful gesture. The photo of the bench & ground covered in flowers & tributes makes my heart ache. It’s both touching & heartbreaking.
I wish we could’ve all been there that night to get poor Libby safely home.
I couldn't help but feel really saddened and touched when I heard the positive ID of Libby. It shocked me as to how upset I felt. Even though most of us were pretty certain she was dead for the entirety of the search and investigation, I felt like we somehow got to know her a little. I found myself unable to look at photos or videos of her any more, I just found it too upsetting. For someone I never met and never knew, it's a new and odd experience for me.
Anyway, I felt compelled to show my respects so I visited the bench today.
I printed out some of your comments and wishes from this thread, and I gifted a bunch of white roses, on behalf of you all...
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I tied the comments and the roses to the back of the bench...
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The thing that really got me, while I was tying the messages and the roses to the bench, was the smell of scented candles thick in the air. By a fluke of where the bench is, it's out of the wind, and there are lots of little candles burning there. The smell of them just broke me up, it really did.
While I was about to leave I noticed a woman and 2 girls with some flowers. Apologies for the video being from the other side of the road, bit I didn't want to intrude.
There were 5 or 6 media vans there. And there was a couple of people walking around with BBC lanyards on. Some young lass was hovering while I was there, I did speak to her. She was from the press, radio in Leeds, and was keeping her distance, she looked terrified when I spoke to her! I told her I wasn't going to attack her, she looked relieved! I guess that there are plenty of places these reporters are sent where they are not appreciated by the locals.
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I am almost certain that it would not be detected even after a few days. I will say that this is based on television I have watched, but from documentaries/non-fiction programs that had interviews with LE, forensic experts, etc.There's no sensitive way of putting this, so I'm just going to say what I'm sure everyone is thinking.... I'm wondering how long semen can be detected within a female body that has been in water for several weeks? I've tried googling, but not found anything of any use.
One of the most common of tests for sperm for rape victims is the Christmas tree test uses chemical reagents that color the head and tail portions of the sperm cells in different colors. This type of histological staining produces bright colors and is, thus, often referred to as the Christmas tree test. The test uses a dye called nuclear red solution, also called Kernechtrot dye — the term “nuclear” refers to the fact that the dye acts on the nuclear material causing the characteristic color change. The heads of the sperm will appear red and the tails will appear green following application of the Christmas tree test. However, the test does have its limitations as sperm cells tend to degrade very quickly following ejaculation. The chances of successful confirmation of sperm depend on how long after the assault a sample is analyzed.There's no sensitive way of putting this, so I'm just going to say what I'm sure everyone is thinking.... I'm wondering how long semen can be detected within a female body that has been in water for several weeks? I've tried googling, but not found anything of any use.
Same on BBC radio 4ITV news tonight said its being treated as potential "murder". Which word should we be using here?
No that’s not what the coroner’s court is for - it’s to establish who the dead person is and how he/she died ie murder, suicide etc. It doesn’t go into the case in any depth. Mainly for the release of death certificate so a funeral take place and if the dead person has any property/money, the relatives can start dealing with that.
The Crown court trial is for the actual trial of the suspect.
That is so lovely. Poor beautiful girl at the start of lifes adventure. Poor parents, poor siblings, poor friends. So so sadI couldn't help but feel really saddened and touched when I heard the positive ID of Libby. It shocked me as to how upset I felt. Even though most of us were pretty certain she was dead for the entirety of the search and investigation, I felt like we somehow got to know her a little. I found myself unable to look at photos or videos of her any more, I just found it too upsetting. For someone I never met and never knew, it's a new and odd experience for me.
Anyway, I felt compelled to show my respects so I visited the bench today.
I printed out some of your comments and wishes from this thread, and I gifted a bunch of white roses, on behalf of you all...
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I tied the comments and the roses to the back of the bench...
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The thing that really got me, while I was tying the messages and the roses to the bench, was the smell of scented candles thick in the air. By a fluke of where the bench is, it's out of the wind, and there are lots of little candles burning there. The smell of them just broke me up, it really did.
While I was about to leave I noticed a woman and 2 girls with some flowers. Apologies for the video being from the other side of the road, bit I didn't want to intrude.
There were 5 or 6 media vans there. And there was a couple of people walking around with BBC lanyards on. Some young lass was hovering while I was there, I did speak to her. She was from the press, radio in Leeds, and was keeping her distance, she looked terrified when I spoke to her! I told her I wasn't going to attack her, she looked relieved! I guess that there are plenty of places these reporters are sent where they are not appreciated by the locals.
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What a beautiful gesture!I couldn't help but feel really saddened and touched when I heard the positive ID of Libby. It shocked me as to how upset I felt. Even though most of us were pretty certain she was dead for the entirety of the search and investigation, I felt like we somehow got to know her a little. I found myself unable to look at photos or videos of her any more, I just found it too upsetting. For someone I never met and never knew, it's a new and odd experience for me.
Anyway, I felt compelled to show my respects so I visited the bench today.
I printed out some of your comments and wishes from this thread, and I gifted a bunch of white roses, on behalf of you all...
View attachment 175644
View attachment 175648View attachment 175649
I tied the comments and the roses to the back of the bench...
View attachment 175643
The thing that really got me, while I was tying the messages and the roses to the bench, was the smell of scented candles thick in the air. By a fluke of where the bench is, it's out of the wind, and there are lots of little candles burning there. The smell of them just broke me up, it really did.
While I was about to leave I noticed a woman and 2 girls with some flowers. Apologies for the video being from the other side of the road, bit I didn't want to intrude.
There were 5 or 6 media vans there. And there was a couple of people walking around with BBC lanyards on. Some young lass was hovering while I was there, I did speak to her. She was from the press, radio in Leeds, and was keeping her distance, she looked terrified when I spoke to her! I told her I wasn't going to attack her, she looked relieved! I guess that there are plenty of places these reporters are sent where they are not appreciated by the locals.
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I'll never understand why people don't take the plastic off the flowers first. Thank you for doing so, and your thoughtful gesture @Strontium69 .
You've just broke a 6ft, 14 stone bloke.
Glad someone asked. I'm kind of new here and wasn't sure of the protocol so didn't want to bring it up, but that's surely what everyone's been thinking for a while!There's no sensitive way of putting this, so I'm just going to say what I'm sure everyone is thinking.... I'm wondering how long semen can be detected within a female body that has been in water for several weeks? I've tried googling, but not found anything of any use.
Wiling to be corrected, but I think time of death is when 'declared' - ie by a doctor/pathologist when found?
ETA Cherwell is better at this ^^^^^^