VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #12

[Mophebius]

http://www.vdh.virginia.gov/ofhs/prevention/dsvp/varapelaws/documents/2009/pdfs/statutes.pdf

https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-48

If anybody has any questions in terms of charging documents, this page may help. (It did me)

 

[ksj3]

Yeah, but haven't you seen the movie "Taken?" I'm kidding of course. I'm with you on this one. I really wish people would get off it, it makes this thread unbearable at times. The odds are so infinitely small that this is the case and unfortunately, the "intent to defile" thing seems to have people think that that's the legal term for kidnapping someone against their will, ship them away and then have them defiled by rich guys in other countries.

I think the reason people won't let it go, particularly those geographically close, is because this is now college-aged girl #5 (?) in the last few years who disappeared within a 50-mile (?) radius (only one of whom has been found), and now in particular it seems there may be one person who is a link to them all. One person who likely isn't working alone, given all the descriptors and circumstances. This, after the Colonial Highway murders and then the Charlottesville Rapist.

Trafficking in Fairfax, right down the road. Trafficker just convicted in Harrisonburg. Just over the mountain.

People don't see this as an isolated event. And I don't think we'll be convinced otherwise for a while. I think we'd rather think sex trafficking than serial killer, given the option. Sorry.

 

[billthom56]

Is it possible to convict for murder in the absence of a body in Virginia?

Yes. They convicted Randy Taylor in the murder of Alexis Murphy in Virginia a few months ago.

Bill Thomas

 

[jamicat]

I think the reason people won't let it go, particularly those geographically close, is because this is now college-aged girl #4 (?) in the last few years who disappeared within a 50-mile (?) radius (only one of whom has been found), and now in particular it seems there may be one person who is a link to them all. One person who likely isn't working alone, given all the descriptors and circumstances. This, after the Colonial Highway murders and then the Charlottesville Rapist.

Trafficking in Fairfax, right down the road. Trafficker just convicted in Harrisonburg. Just over the mountain.

People don't see this as an isolated event. And I don't think we'll be convinced otherwise for a while. Sorry.

I've asked this before, but not as specifically. Are the stats for all of this in this area above the norm for this population density and square miles?

I never saw a thing about UVA being in an area risky for young women or more dangerous than most such college areas. It simply does not make the list as some schools do for being near a dicey area. I know that when the Lauren Spierer disappearance occurred, other rapes, assaults, disappearances were brought up so it seemed like the area was a hotbed of that sort. It wasn't. It was just because a college girl with parents commanding a lot of attention disappeared and that brought attention to other cases that would not otherwise have been noted by a lot of people. Never read or heard a thing about the Alexis Murphy case until I looked it up myself and there really isn't a whole lot on it except in crime links, sites like this and news local to where it happened, Not much if any national exposure. Hannah is making prime time news all over he country.

 

[red99]

Absolutely. Right from the beginning people couldn't understand why she would speak to someone who was black, overweight, had dreads, dressed in shorts, 32, and poor. Everyone has ideas about what each of those things mean to them and why they would never speak to someone with one or more of those qualities. People are drawn to sameness. We tend to judge people similar / familiar to us on their intentions and people different from us on their behavior.

It can go the other way as well. A family members confirmed bias might be innocence and they continue to only see the good. Or they trust someone just because they are also young, white, well dressed and well off...just like them. Those are safe trustworthy qualities to that person.

How would Hannah know he was poor or 32? How random....

 

[necco]

so I'm thinking they have evidence of MORE than what he's charged with (evidence of rape and possibly murder), but without being able to link it to Hannah via her body (alive or deceased) that can't get an arrest warrant for more than this charge yet.

I figure they charged him with the thing they had the best case against him but could still get him retained and extradited if he was located in another state.

 

[DavidC]

Would have to be evidence found in the car then right? I think most of us agree that Jesse would not have taken Hannah back to his apartment. Too risky.

Parker Slaybaugh 8News

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‪#‎HannahGraham‬ I just spoke with a legal expert, he says the charge "abductioWoun with intent to defile" suggests police believe evidence shows something sexual.

 

[azure]

Have a look at the link I just posted

why so determined to shut down discussion on that angle?

Because there hasn't been a single publicized missing persons case that ended with the victim being trafficked? At least that I know of. Lots of women are trafficked. None are abducted from upper/middle class lives and sold into trafficking. Not in the US.

 

[helpfindhannah]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Cama...nto-human-trafficking-underway-266534641.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Amy_Lynn_Bradley

 

[Phoebeb]

I bet those dreads are gone tonight! Anyone know if he is likely to be driving the blue Sentra still?

 

[Elainera]

Thinking out loud ... the car is the crime scene. I think they probably found semen and hairs, possibly blood that prove that JM and HG were together in the car. When they got another warrant for his apartment it might have been to find items to get his DNA from (hairbrush, toothbrush, used utensils, glasses etc). So they can place both of them in the car. If there was blood they know more than 'just' rape happened. If there was evidence of a struggle they know it wasn't consensual sex.

This would explain the charges.

 

[Heathery]

Perverts that want to accost a certain type chose to live in areas around their "type".

This is why people support laws keeping child molesters away from schools.

Men that want to have sexual relations with young women- consensual or not- lurk near colleges. The number of sexual assaults that happen near colleges are largely unreported because the women want to move on with their lives, do not want it a part of their record, their life story etc.

I'm actually kind of shocked that so many people are naive to this phenomenon and think it's some great trafficking conspiracy.

 

[ninij9]

LE never said whether they think the suspect fled the area or is believed to still be in area. Also they didn't appeal to his friends or family to come forward with info leading to his capture and arrest. Very odd for a PC announcing warrants and charges for a suspect. Leads me to believe they have a pretty good idea where he is.

 

[gitana1]

I looked back for the link and couldn't find it yet, but saw a report from Baton Rouge of a big prostitution bust that included several arrests plus one missing person. That's exactly what the headline said. They disclosed no details on the missing person. It would be interesting to know if this person was a walk-away or an abductee. We may never hear due to privacy concerns, though.

ETA: the report was current, as in from today. Sorry I left that out.

Yes but a lot of runaways or people who just walk off are listed as missing persons.

Chief Longo did state vehemently that there would not be an arrest warrant issued unless a conviction would certainly follow. He said that from the start, so I believe they are certain.

No matter what comes out or what Longo says, there are some who simply will not believe it.

bbm, I'm not following the logic?


Amy Bradley?

I recall that case. There is no substantiated evidence that Amy Bradley was abducted off that ship for the purposes of sex slavery. The ship was searched up and down and no sign of her. I saw photos that look like her but that's not substantiated proof she was abducted for the purposes of trafficking. It really makes no sense.

so, I'm just getting caught up. these charges seem to indicate he didn't rape her but was abducting her for trafficking?

No. IMO the charges indicate he abducted her for purposes of molesting her sexually. They have not charged him with actually assaulting her though. Possibly because they can't find her.

"§ 18.2-48. Abduction with intent to extort money or for immoral purpose.

Abduction (i) of any person with the intent to extort money or pecuniary benefit, (ii) of any person with intent to defile such person, (iii) of any child under sixteen years of age for the purpose of concubinage or prostitution, (iv) of any person for the purpose of prostitution, or (v) of any minor for the purpose of manufacturing child *advertiser censored* shall be punishable as a Class 2 felony. If the sentence imposed for a violation of (ii), (iii), (iv), or (v) includes a term of confinement less than life imprisonment, the judge shall impose, in addition to any active sentence, a suspended sentence of no less than 40 years. This suspended sentence shall be suspended for the remainder of the defendant's life subject to revocation by the court.

(Code 1950, § 18.1-38; 1960, c. 358; 1966, c. 214; 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1993, c. 317; 1997, c. 747; 2006, cc. 853, 914; 2011, c. 785.)

https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-48"

this does not sound like rape or murder to me.

BBM: I think you are right. If it was abduction with the attempt to rape, I think that's a different charge.

When the Commonwealth of Virginia charges a defendant with abduction with intent to defile under Va. Code Ann. § 18.2-48, it has the burden of proving that the defendant: (1) abducted the complaining witness; and (2) did so with the specific intent to defile. The elements of the offense of abduction with intent to defile are separate and distinct from the elements of attempted rape. Attempted rape includes the intent to engage in sexual intercourse with a female victim. Abduction with intent to defile requires an intent to sexually molest a victim of any sex. The terms “defile” and “sexually molest” are interchangeable within the meaning of § 18.2-48. Sexual molestation, while including sexual intercourse, also embraces many acts which are distinct from sexual intercourse. Va. Code Ann. § 18.2-67.10(6). http://srislawyer.com/virginia-crim...nia-fairfax-attorneys-violation-code-18-2-48/

 

[Perplexed 123]

Do you mean Ann Maria Fahey?

Tom Capano was an disbarred American lawyer and former Delaware deputy attorney general, who was convicted of the 1996 murder of Anne Marie Fahey, his former lover.

Ann Rule's book "And Never Let Her Go" is about her

No, Amy Bradley- she turned up on adult sites at various times after disappearing
there's threads about her for further discussion we won't drag this one off.
I mentioned her in connection with human trafficking, white middle class woman. Human trafficking is the 3rd biggest industry after drugs and weapons.

@ gitana (I zee you've addressed me ^^) - a few examples have been given now of white middle class woman being abducted and trafficked, take your pick, but don't deny that it happens

 

[richpi]

Perhaps JM transported HG to someone else late Friday or Saturday and the FBI are trying to find that person. I don't think the theory of Human Trafficking is that far-fetched and although victims are usually runaways, homeless youth etc., there are those cases where girls are abducted and sold take off of the street. In this case, it seems at Hannah would have been an easy target on Friday night anyway. There are articles addressing the problem in Northern Virginia and Roanoke. One drug dealer was quoted saying it was easier to sell a girl than drugs because you can sell her over and over again and drugs only once. This is sick but perhaps a possibility. Some girls have been found when they are recognized on adult escort pages like BackPage. Here are a couple of articles but if you google the topic in Virginia, you will see it happens here.

Gangs in Northern Virginia
http://humantraffickingsearch.net/wp/gang-involvement-with-human-trafficking/

New York Woman Abducted and taken to Salt Lake City
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...g-case-from-New-York-to-Salt-Lake.html?pg=all


Teens abducted for trafficking and found at a truck stop 9 days later.
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=5382645

 

[jamicat]

Where are his immediate family members? I'm African-American and live in Chicago. Definitely aware of police misconduct. That being said, I'd call on my relative so fast their head would be spinning!

Don't think he is with immediate family members. LE has been on the lookout for him and his mother, grandmother, sister are probably under surveilance. LE has been swoopin down on AA males with the same facial hair and dreads. So they've been actively looking for him.

Hopefully he is in touch with an attorney who can help with an orderly, safe way to get him into custody. Safe for all concerned. That's usually the smoothest way to go.

 

[Phoebeb]

Would have to be evidence found in the car then right? I think most of us agree that Jesse would not have taken Hannah back to his apartment. Too risky.

Risky to take her into Tempo too if he was up to no good. I think it evolved into something horrible.

 

[Darcyline]

Trafficking is one of those things that comes up in literally every case, but I have never ever seen it be true except for one time. Amy Bradley, who was on a cruise ship in a different country when taken. It is one of those things that I almost never consider now just because of that, but who knows? This has been a strange case and I have also never seen an intent to defile charge before.

 

[azure]

No, Amy Bradley- she turned up on adult sites at various times after disappearing
there's threads about her for further discussion we won't drag this one off.
I mentioned her in connection with human trafficking, white middle class woman. Human trafficking is the 3rd biggest industry after drugs and weapons.

Absolutely zero evidence that it was her in those photos.