VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #7

[msteach]

Has anyone noticed if Hannah had been a student at Piedmont Virginia Community College at any stage?

I'd say that it is pretty unlikely. She was 18 and a second year student at UVA after graduating early from HS. Plus, she comes from a pretty well connected family, by all accounts, so my guess would be doubtful.

 

[Elley Mae]

Police say the man and Graham were later seen at a downtown restaurant, where the man purchased alcohol. The man’s car was later seen on video leaving the downtown area. Police believe Graham was in the car.

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/l...cle_3be90cce-4133-11e4-a8c4-0017a43b2370.html

 

[TravelingBug]

I asked this before but unsure if I got an answer. Does anyone who attended UVA know if they teach awareness to incoming freshman? Do they have a volunteer escort service women can call at night? What about the blue emergency lights/phones?

I went to a school where rape had happened a few times over the years and our school was incredibly proactive in informing it's students. It was also a huge party school. I was never allowed to walk alone- my MALE friends made sure of it every single time, no matter the inconvenience to them.

A BUNCH of blue light phones - 400+ in fact!

http://www.virginia.edu/uvapolice/bluephones.pdf (Map of locations at the link and also the lighted pathways)

There are more than 400 blue light phone in place around the University of Virginia. Telephones are in every dormitory, along frequently traveled sidewalks, and in parking lots. Some academic buildings also have phones. These phone dial directly into the University Police department. If you need assistance, just activate a blue phone and state the problem. A police officer will respond. Map of Blue Light Phones and Locations of Blue Light Phones

They have security surveys, self-defense for students, all sorts of tip submission things, etc.

http://www.virginia.edu/uvapolice/resources.html

They have a map that's always updated with incidents online.

They have a training program on safety and preventing violence everyone is requested to participate in. http://www.virginia.edu/safercommunity/

They definitely do Safe Ride if you have a valid UVA ID.

Although:

SafeRide does not transport intoxicated individuals.

And I thought this was really interesting - which I'd not heard of.:

In addition, if you are unable to wait for a SafeRide van pickup, are not near a UTS bus route late at night, or otherwise feel unsafe, please remember that you may call Yellow Cab Charge-a-Ride at 434-295-4131 to travel by taxi. If you do not have the money to pay for the taxi at that point in time, you need only show a valid student ID to the Yellow Cab driver and sign the document they will provide to you. You will then be billed through your student account.

Apparently they've even won some awards for their crime prevention.

TONS more out there on their website in several places, but that at least hopefully helps answer?

 

[Jmm124567]

I think this is the general route that Hannah walked. I think Hannah was looking for a bar and was suppose to meet people there. I think this due to her behavior at McGrady's and that she was mainly walking on main roads if she was looking for a house party she would be on the side streets

-She walks down Main St. then cuts over to Preston Ave

-She walks up Preston Ave. to McGrady's bar. On McGrady's surveillance video she first walks up to the patio/deck and looks to be staring through the railings to see if she see's anybody she recognizes then she walks around it to the entrance of the bar and it appears that she is denied entry by the bouncer. She then walks away from McGrady's and as she is walking away she turns around in the street for a few seconds and stares at McGrady's then continues walking down Preston Ave. in the opposite way she was originally walking

-She hasn't found the bar so she probably figures they must be in the outdoor mall so she walks down Preston Ave. to the outdoor mall.

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[zapped]

Heres a thought I havent seen anyone touch upon.

By now most of us have seen the videos with Hannah running and moving at what appears to be an extremely rapid pace while intoxicated.

Were taught that physical activity helps us to sober up but as many drinkers can tell you this isnt always the case. Sometimes strenous physical activity (as in sex, running, or a fight) can speed up the bodies metabolism delivering even more alcohol to our system and making us even more drunk than we were before the activity. Its not uncommon for people to throw up at this stage and its believed that Hannah may have done so at McGradys.

Some drinks such as Red Bull and Vokda or Jager Bombs can also add to this. The energy boost from the drink counteracts the effects of the alcohol for a time and leads to a delayed reaction. This is why some states have talked about banning these kinds of drinks in bars and restaurants.

People did the same thing in the 50's and 60s with speed and alcohol and its been reported that mixing adderall and alcohol can have the same effects.

Some of the effects reported in the below article are eerily similar to the ones observed in HG that night.

http://www.healthcentral.com/adhd/c/general/treatment?ic=pha&ic=pha

Im wondering if the drink she supposedly had in Tempo was enough to cause alcohol poisoning considering the possible factors above.

Purely speculating here but if she passed out on JLM's car and died either on route or in his apartment it would certainly explain his reluctance to speak to police.

Something very similar happened in the erotic asphyxiation death of Taylor Behl when Benjamin Fawley panicked and dumped her unburied body in a shallow ravine.

Not blaming the victim here, we were all young once and all of us have done stupid things, just trying to cover all possible scenarios.

 

[Jmm124567]

I think this is the general route that Hannah walked. I think Hannah was looking for a bar and was suppose to meet people there. I think this due to her behavior at McGrady's and that she was mainly walking on main roads if she was looking for a house party she would be on the side streets

-She walks down Main St. then cuts over to Preston Ave

-She walks up Preston Ave. to McGrady's bar. On McGrady's surveillance video she first walks up to the patio/deck and looks to be staring through the railings to see if she see's anybody she recognizes then she walks around it to the entrance of the bar and it appears that she is denied entry by the bouncer. She then walks away from McGrady's and as she is walking away she turns around in the street for a few seconds and stares at McGrady's as if she is thinking to herself "that could be the bar" and then continues walking down Preston Ave. in the opposite direction she was originally walking

-She has walked the main roads in the area and hasn't found the bar so she probably figures they must be in the outdoor mall so she walks down Preston Ave. to the outdoor mall

 

[HFfan1]

A BUNCH of blue light phones - 400+ in fact!

http://www.virginia.edu/uvapolice/bluephones.pdf (Map of locations at the link and also the lighted pathways)



They have security surveys, self-defense for students, all sorts of tip submission things, etc.

http://www.virginia.edu/uvapolice/resources.html

They have a map that's always updated with incidents online.

They have a training program on safety and preventing violence everyone is requested to participate in. http://www.virginia.edu/safercommunity/

They definitely do Safe Ride if you have a valid UVA ID.

Although:


And I thought this was really interesting - which I'd not heard of.:



Apparently they've even won some awards for their crime prevention.

TONS more out there on their website in several places, but that at least hopefully helps answer?

THANK YOU!

The intoxicated thing is weird. That is when someone needs an escort the most. The taxi thing is awesome though. I went to a place where everything was within walking/biking distance and it was semi-isolated so taxis weren't needed!

Now why is there a disconnect between women using it, I wonder?

 

[Perplexed 123]

On Fox, in about 11 minutes, they will be discussing Hannah

was anything new discussed?

 

[TravelingBug]

I asked this before but unsure if I got an answer. Does anyone who attended UVA know if they teach awareness to incoming freshman? Do they have a volunteer escort service women can call at night? What about the blue emergency lights/phones?

I went to a school where rape had happened a few times over the years and our school was incredibly proactive in informing it's students. It was also a huge party school. I was never allowed to walk alone- my MALE friends made sure of it every single time, no matter the inconvenience to them.

Just replying again after I looked at something else

Their 400+ blue light phones all over the place seems quite impressive!

Looking at the two largest universities near me - both have almost 10,000 more enrolled than UVA (one close in property size and one much smaller) - and neither have even 1/4 as many blue light phones!

I wonder the statistics on the use of those (on college campuses or other places that have them) actually is?

And if that's changed with the dawn of this age of (virtually) everyone having a cell phone? Especially since most people would have that on them but not necessarily even be by a blue light thing - no matter how many there are around - to even use that first.

If I were somewhere and had my phone but also had those blue light things around, I'd not even think about using my own phone first to call 911 in lieu of trying to get to the nearest blue light station. And I'm not sure I'd not also still do that first even if I were basically even at a blue light thing.

If one were near enough (and it wouldn't mess up help arriving by moving) I guess I might also do the blue thing thinking perhaps campus police could get there more quickly - though in many instances, campus police wouldn't have the same degree of resources. And it'd seem like depending on the incident, staying put at a blue light thing like it usually says to could actually endanger you more anyway (again, incident depending).

I DO think I'd use one first - if it were close - if it were in a parking structure or big building where cell phone reception might possibly be (or be known to be) an issue though.

Listening to the scanner it seems like really with our two largest universities here, that a significant percentage of the calls are done directly to 911 now. And a decent number that do go to campus PD first, whether by blue light type thing or just called to them directly initially, end up involving off-campus authorities eventually also.

 

[SuzDuJour]

"WG" was a cop or CI. I can almost guarantee it. It's quite clear where LE is headed with this case, and for good reason. They're not going to "trick" WG by naming - QUITE CLEARLY AND PUBLICLY- another POI. That's all kinds of reasonable doubt, and WG's defense attorney would eat that for breakfast if they did that. This isn't Law and Order or Suits. There is no 'twist' or 'game' here. Fact is, the evidence and circumstances lead to dreads and no one else. Utterly baffles me that some folks can still cling to the idea that WG is involved. Just. Baffled. IMO.

Well...except for the fact that WG misstated the description of the BG. Oh...and he said he stopped following her after he thought she knew the BG, which, no, he actually followed them both on the video. That's what baffles me...why would he lie?

 

[momrids6]

In retrospect I kind of find that offensive that he did not make an attempt to answer the reporters questions about those 2 assaults. Yes it was not about Hannah but it was 2 other women, someones daughters, and the public deserves to know about those crimes as much as missing Hannah.

Has anyone been arrested for those crimes yet?

Actually, the rape at 1:40- we don't know who it was... all it states is a student called in. Could have been called in on the anonymous line- and no one in authority actually saw the student.

eta: fox report - they had an LE or former LE that was there when the search warrant was issued. (paraphrasing) He said I hope they got some info about the 2 that were with JM in the apt. He stated to remember this is a missing persons investigation- LE is all about finding Hannah. He said JM's name was leaked.

 

[rizzo0904]

Wow this thread is moving fast.

POI coaches youth football which means he can pass a criminal background check. He has to have one every year.

 

[TTF14]

She is an accomplished and fit athlete. Mc Gradys is not far from the party she left. At 18, I hope her back didn't hurt...

Maybe she had a tag on her pants that was bothering her....

 

[TTF14]

Has anyone noticed if Hannah had been a student at Piedmont Virginia Community College at any stage?

I think the only way she'd have had time to do that is if she did dual enrollment, which I just googled, and they do have that. Why?

 

[momrids6]

Maybe she had a tag on her pants that was bothering her....

maybe...there is one very clear copy of the McGrady vid floating around I watched last night- and of course I can't find it now. It seems she was distracted with her waistband and that could be why she trailed off the sidewalk, instead of drunken stumbling iwkwim...

 

[astridxx]

Bookmarking - y'all are moving too fast


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[Detective Klimpt]

Utterly baffles me that some folks can still cling to the idea that WG is involved. Just. Baffled. IMO.

Yeah, me too. We're all allowed our theories, unrealistic as some on here may be.

Well...except for the fact that WG misstated the description of the BG. Oh...and he said he stopped following her after he thought she knew the BG, which, no, he actually followed them both on the video. That's what baffles me...why would he lie?

Do we really know that is the description he gave? I read it too, but did it come from LE? That description came about early on and I read there was a sketch of WG's description, but never saw it. In fact, there are still recent articles out there that are talking about POI #3 (WG's poi) and mixing that in with the new details. Unless it is a direct quote from LE, I'm not going to totally believe it.

 

[TravelingBug]

THANK YOU!

The intoxicated thing is weird. That is when someone needs an escort the most. The taxi thing is awesome though. I went to a place where everything was within walking/biking distance and it was semi-isolated so taxis weren't needed!

Now why is there a disconnect between women using it, I wonder?

Sure thing!

It wasn't as easily to locate on UVA's site as it was looking at the two others (here, for comparison sake personally - especially b/c the 400 phones seemed crazy high and I was curious if maybe I just underestimated what places I know better actually have! Ha ha) which is unfortunate, though I suppose for those actually on campus and needing to know it that they hear it at orientation type things, or in handbooks or whatnot.

That no intoxicated people on the SafeRide thing really did surprise me! Like you said, it seems like those are some of the instances it'd be most needed (along with distances at night or in isolated areas as the other biggie)

Although I suspect it has to do with their hazardous spills or biohazard type policies, as it also says they'd have to be taken out of commission and be properly sanitized, etc.

So I'd guess that could apply to vomit too? And them not wanting or allowing their shuttle people to deal with it? (Though obviously sometimes things just can't be helped and happen in there anyway!) With many campuses their safe ride / shuttle type things are done by screened student volunteers, so that may also play into who can do what perhaps?

Not that any of that helps an intoxicated student who might be vulnerable though!

I really was pleasantly surprised about the taxi thing and I'm curious if that's actually a common thing and I'd just not heard of it! It seems like a good idea!

Almost a little like how growing up years ago many parents did the "Here's a quarter, call if you are in trouble, no matter what - we'll deal with the 'price' (of your actions) later...just don't put yourself in more danger by _____" type thing

 

[Perplexed 123]

Maybe she had a tag on her pants that was bothering her....

some pants have an invisible pocket in the waist band, my yoga pants have this. It would be at the side. a credit card is uncomfortable in it, it digs in to your side.

 

[TTF14]

I don't know if Hannah had an iPhone, but I do. And for the heck of it I opened a text box and typed in lmost, as if I missed the A, and it autocorrected it to Lost. For her to Almost be at 14th and Wertland at 1:20-ish would she have had to get a ride there or is it possible she could have jogged from the mall after leaving Tempo?

Also, iPhones are notorious for losing charge fairly quickly, some models more than others. Depending on how many apps you have running in the background, it may not last long at all. She had been out since 9:30, right? I could see her phone dying 4 hours later. There is no removable battery in an iPhone.

That's an excellent theory about the auto correct. Maybe she meant to say she was almost at that location, not LOST at that location. Very interesting! I think the POI told her he'd give her a ride home, which is near that location, correct?

Good point about the battery, too. I have always had Android phones but the older phones get, the less they hold a charge. Mine would never last all day anymore unless I have it turned off and I'm not using it. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that her battery could have just died.