AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #26

[Rubiconbob]

Just checking in again. Through all the speculation on this case, I don't recall any of their co-workers making any statements in the news. James and Denise worked at the same company for over 20 years and most likely confided with some of their co-workers about what was going on in their personal life. Maybe one of them had a disagreement with a co-worker and/or supervisor. Who knows? Maybe LE needs to interview EVERYONE they worked with. Even a 5 minute interview might reveal something! In my mind, I am trying to make sense out of this and I do feel the person(s) is someone the family knows.....whether it's Jayme, James or Denise....one member knew them. Plus the number of sex offenders in the area blows my mind. Hello.....maybe LE needs to go back and re-interview ALL of them. They may not be connected to this case at all, but may be connected to other unsolved cases. Oh, and all the meth heads there.....Barron sounds like a scary place to live!![/QUOT

Keep in mind baron wi is 4000 lives. Barron county 44,000.... but yes. They’ve got issues.. frankly they need college or 2nd large employer. Idle hands/devils tools so to speak..

I keep looking at map and it’s almost as if Closs home isn’t in Barron... it’s the last residence before you hit farmlands... I gotta think that played into perps selection...

There house middle of town. Don’t see this happening...?

I still can see 200 trucks going by that house every 48 hours leaving with turkey meat... or dropping off birds... Fitzgerald wouldn’t be able to find if it was just a random trucker biding time till he had couple hours free Sunday nite before he leaves to Milwaukee or Chicago..

Case is tragic... if Denise got bit by family she helped or rando sex offender. Same crappy outcome..

Still think good people there... you have duds/ losers theives in all cities..

Here is atv video of Barron... police basically said no .. perp has car... where I grew up always trails via atv/ jeep off highway to get to same spot. Sounds like dead end but they got killer atv spots

 

[Mistermagoo]

Just checking in again. Through all the speculation on this case, I don't recall any of their co-workers making any statements in the news. James and Denise worked at the same company for over 20 years and most likely confided with some of their co-workers about what was going on in their personal life. Maybe one of them had a disagreement with a co-worker and/or supervisor. Who knows? Maybe LE needs to interview EVERYONE they worked with. Even a 5 minute interview might reveal something! In my mind, I am trying to make sense out of this and I do feel the person(s) is someone the family knows.....whether it's Jayme, James or Denise....one member knew them. Plus the number of sex offenders in the area blows my mind. Hello.....maybe LE needs to go back and re-interview ALL of them. They may not be connected to this case at all, but may be connected to other unsolved cases. Oh, and all the meth heads there.....Barron sounds like a scary place to live!!

This is a link that I posted a few weeks ago. It is just proof that things can go bad and people will do things to try and get back at people. This just happened last year AT THE BARRON JENNIE O PLANT. It is an interesting read beginning on page 5 at the bottom of column 4.
http://www.cumberland-advocate.com/sites/default/files/*advertiser censored*-2017-09-13-a-001 e-edition.pdf

 

[JRW]

I wouldn't consider it to be a small casino.

my point was that if the small casino in my town has that good of security than im sure they all do

 

[bizzle2]

Yep - that's my belief, too. My response, however, was aimed at the use of Burger King as a comp to the casino, in terms of LE needing to investigate places James may have visited that could have led to the crime.

Fair enough.
I guess I'm saying that it would only be relevant if he did in fact win something. I don't think it is necessary for them to do any further checking than asking the casino security if he was a frequent customer or had recently won a jackpot. If they say he's not a regular customer and hasn't won a big prize recently then I think they would call it good and focus on other angles. The Burger King example was more about showing that there are plenty of restaurants/establishments/etc. within 14 miles, and that LE wouldn't pursue any of them unless they had reason to believe he had been there.

I think about it in terms of my own family. My parents live about 20 miles from a casino. If something happened to my parents and the police told me they wanted to check the casino I'd tell them it wouldn't be worth their time because my parents don't go to casinos. (Or the same for a Burger King, because my parents don't like Burger King.)

 

[Cherry]

I cannot believe she hasn't been located.

 

[Evinrude]

This is a link that I posted a few weeks ago. It is just proof that things can go bad and people will do things to try and get back at people. This just happened last year AT THE BARRON JENNIE O PLANT. It is an interesting read beginning on page 5 at the bottom of column 4.
http://www.cumberland-advocate.com/sites/default/files/*advertiser censored*-2017-09-13-a-001 e-edition.pdf

Now that is some serious sleuthing you did here.

 

[OhThatVictoria]

This is a link that I posted a few weeks ago. It is just proof that things can go bad and people will do things to try and get back at people. This just happened last year AT THE BARRON JENNIE O PLANT. It is an interesting read beginning on page 5 at the bottom of column 4.
http://www.cumberland-advocate.com/sites/default/files/*advertiser censored*-2017-09-13-a-001 e-edition.pdf

Yes. Wondering how many instances of workplace “issues” never made the local news. In this instance, there was a restraining order placed against him. James and Denise met on the job, their relationship seemed to work out better than this example.

Since James spent so much time on the job, it only makes sense to examine what was going on at Jennie-O over the past year (or so) under his watch. He wasn’t a Supervisor but he was a lead on the line, eyes and ears for management.

 

[Jazzy5980]

Jayme Closs: Barron raises symbol of hope as investigators' frustration mounts

No drugs, no boyfriend or contact with someone online, could be trafficking, we don't know, no longer looking for vehicles. We know nothing. We have nothing.

I've never ever ever in 100's of cases followed seen a case with so little information in a double homicide and kidnapping. This is getting maddening. I have many thoughts right now, but I'm going to avoid a time out. :X

You have done a lot of research and seem to have a good understanding of many of the issues in this case; I would appreciate your insight. Thnks

 

[ArizonaNative]

James and Denise met at their job but were married to other people so...who knows how all of that transpired or how some might continue to feel about the situation.

 

[Moonsie]

I think that if perhaps a shotgun was used, it is highly unlikely that a person could walk there, commit the crime, then leave with a shotgun and a 13 year old girl, likely in pyjamas, in tow without being seen.

I have seen hunters with shotguns and deer slung over their shoulders move pretty easily through wooded areas.

I don’t think phone data would yield anything, although it certainly wouldn’t hurt to try.

One of my possible (amateur) profiles for this murderer is an “off the grid” type that shuns or distrusts technology. He may not even have a phone or a car. All we know for sure is that he has a gun.

Finally, I think it is important to keep in mind that while the Sheriff is “in charge” of this case, he should not be expected to know every single detail about the investigation. He is the administrative leader of the department and, as such, has more on his plate than Jayme (although he has noted the importance and significance of the case). I think a lot of times, when he says ‘I don’t know,’ it is simply a euphemism for ‘I’m not going to answer that right now.’ Whether that translates well to his audience is obviously debatable, based on the discussion here.

moo.

 

[Maybelline]

I wonder if there were any land disputes with adjacent properties. I’m not thinking the neighbors that heard the gun shots. I just mean in general.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Sure, but if he won big in the casino there would be a record of it. And LE would have been on it. It doesn't appear that they have focused on the casino at all so I think it's fair to say that he probably didn't have a big gambling win. We don't really even know if he was the kind of guy who liked casinos. If he worked 60-80 hours a week like the family says and had a young daughter to dote on at home I highly doubt he even had the time.

May I ask at this point, why nobody seems to think, that DC also may have been a player nature (the only one in the household) and could have been at the casino? Okay, the time frame would be more narrow: approximately between 4pm and 8pm (end of birthday party/evening phone call to one of the sisters). Well, maybe she had Jamey in her tow after the birthday party and would have had a problem with where to keep her daughter during the time at the casino. But if someone likes to gamble and is (secretly?) doing it from time to time, the person certainly would have an idea how to organize some hours of freetime. IMO
Maybe, the Sheriff gave his answer ("I don't know") to the question, whether James had been at the casino with knowledge of who really had been there: not JC but DC.
You are right in thinking, whether DC or JC had been at the casino, the answer wouldn't bring poor Jamey home, probably.

 

[bellyup]

Fair enough.
I guess I'm saying that it would only be relevant if he did in fact win something. I don't think it is necessary for them to do any further checking than asking the casino security if he was a frequent customer or had recently won a jackpot. If they say he's not a regular customer and hasn't won a big prize recently then I think they would call it good and focus on other angles. The Burger King example was more about showing that there are plenty of restaurants/establishments/etc. within 14 miles, and that LE wouldn't pursue any of them unless they had reason to believe he had been there.

I think about it in terms of my own family. My parents live about 20 miles from a casino. If something happened to my parents and the police told me they wanted to check the casino I'd tell them it wouldn't be worth their time because my parents don't go to casinos. (Or the same for a Burger King, because my parents don't like Burger King.)

I'm not sure you are understanding what I'm saying.
Casinos are a hot bed for criminals but especially so on reservation casinos. Somewhere around 40% of ALL US sex trafficking victims are AI or native girls and women. The crime problems on reservations are insanely high (2-7x worse than national average) and prosecutions are insanely low ( 60% of child sexual abuse cases never see a court room).

This really isn't a matter of "don't look at the casino, James doesn't go there." in my opinion. When you are looking at a double murder and kidnapping of a 13yo girl you have to rule in or out the most obvious possible connections.

With a known sex trafficking connections only a few minutes down the road and a casino in that town - You look into that pretty quickly to determine if James OR Denise had been there or not. If they had who did they speak to? Where is that person now?

For Fitzgerald to say he doesn't know if James was there or not is concerning.
I'm not saying I think Jayme was trafficked (because I don't) but I sure would expect that avenue has been properly explored by LE and it doesn't appear it has been by Fitzgeralds comments.

From Feb 2018 - In St Croix county (where the casino is)
Human trafficking and sexual predator sting conducted in St. Croix County - My Gateway News

 

[bellyup]

May I ask at this point, why nobody seems to think, that DC also may have been a player nature (the only one in the household) and could have been at the casino? Okay, the time frame would be more narrow: approximately between 4pm and 8pm (end of birthday party/evening phone call to one of the sisters). Well, maybe she had Jamey in her tow after the birthday party and would have had a problem with where to keep her daughter during the time at the casino.

Side note to this: Reservation casinos are family friendly. They have arcades, parties, concerts and events aimed to entertain the kids while the parents gamble.

 

[bizzle2]

May I ask at this point, why nobody seems to think, that DC also may have been a player nature (the only one in the household) and could have been at the casino? Okay, the time frame would be more narrow: approximately between 4pm and 8pm (end of birthday party/evening phone call to one of the sisters). Well, maybe she had Jamey in her tow after the birthday party and would have had a problem with where to keep her daughter during the time at the casino. But if someone likes to gamble and is (secretly?) doing it from time to time, the person certainly would have an idea how to organize some hours of freetime. IMO
Maybe, the Sheriff gave his answer ("I don't know") to the question, whether James had been at the casino with knowledge of who really had been there: not JC but DC.
You are right in thinking, whether DC or JC had been at the casino, the answer wouldn't bring poor Jamey home, probably.

Valid point. We seem to be focused on James being the one who could go to the casino, but obviously Denise would be a possibility as well. But yea, if it were based on an incident at the casino LE would definitely know about it. I do think they have timelines for where each family member was that day

 

[bizzle2]

I'm not sure you are understanding what I'm saying.
Casinos are a hot bed for criminals but especially so on reservation casinos. Somewhere around 40% of ALL US sex trafficking victims are AI or native girls and women. The crime problems on reservations are insanely high (2-7x worse than national average) and prosecutions are insanely low ( 60% of child sexual abuse cases never see a court room).

This really isn't a matter of "don't look at the casino, James doesn't go there." in my opinion. When you are looking at a double murder and kidnapping of a 13yo girl you have to rule in or out the most obvious possible connections.

With a known sex trafficking connections only a few minutes down the road and a casino in that town - You look into that pretty quickly to determine if James OR Denise had been there or not. If they had who did they speak to? Where is that person now?

For Fitzgerald to say he doesn't know if James was there or not is concerning.
I'm not saying I think Jayme was trafficked (because I don't) but I sure would expect that avenue has been properly explored by LE and it doesn't appear it has been by Fitzgeralds comments.

From Feb 2018 - In St Croix county (where the casino is)
Human trafficking and sexual predator sting conducted in St. Croix County - My Gateway News

I understand what you are saying. I think it’s simply that we don’t agree. Which is ok, reasonable minds can disagree.

In my opinion, a casino that’s 14 miles away from a crime scene isn’t an obvious place to look unless you know the victim had a connection to it.

I’ve been to the Hertel St. Croix casino a few times. Which is part of the same chain as the one in Turtle Lake. It’s really not a sketchy place. Mostly senior citizens playing nickel slots and people who hit the casino when they go to their cabin. Very few locals under the age of 70. I’m sure there can be shady stuff going on, just like there can be in many public places like a shopping mall or restaurant. But most of the crime at these casinos is due to trouble amongst people on the reservation or drug related or both - it’s usually not related to gambling.

As far as the words Fitzgerald used, I don’t read much into it. During other answers in the interview he mentioned that he couldn’t recall everything off the top of his head because they had investigated so many different angles. And he got a ton of questions on the fly about a whole range of topics. I took the “I don’t know” answer to that question as him saying they’ve determined that whether James did or didn’t go to the casino isn’t relevant. He even talked about how they looked into the tips they got from psychics. If they are going that far, they’ve surely run down anything related to the casino.

I’m pretty convinced that the casino had nothing to do with it and any further discussions about it will just get us off track, so I’ll leave it at that.

 

[bellyup]

I’m pretty convinced that the casino had nothing to do with it and any further discussions about it will just get us off track, so I’ll leave it at that.

We agree on that! It’s not my first inclination that the casino has anything to do with It. Lol

It is, however, my strongest inclination that Fitzgerald is either wording things really poorly, is working and angle that’s not working or is dropping the ball.

 

[Andreee]

James and Denise met at their job but were married to other people so...who knows how all of that transpired or how some might continue to feel about the situation.

Yes, we know nothing about their previous significant others. I hope the authorities do!

 

[Andreee]

Valid point. We seem to be focused on James being the one who could go to the casino, but obviously Denise would be a possibility as well. But yea, if it were based on an incident at the casino LE would definitely know about it. I do think they have timelines for where each family member was that day

And might I just say that the investigators would know if James or Denise had been at the casino that day! It's really a no brainer that at least one of the many surveillance cameras would reveal that. For the sheriff to say he doesn't know if James was there that day is perplexing.

 

[jayaxx]

Would you still feel this way if those 500 tips were completely unrelated and lead nowhere? Then police could have spent the time on other more viable leads...

I mean...if they literally have NOTHING (which it seems like they do) then bring them on.