Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #53

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Isn't there any interim step, though?

Like first, the local LE assume the owner of the car is in the preserve; but when that first note yields no fruit, they run the plates and attempt to get in touch with the registered owner before they begin the smackdown process?

Also, is the preserve state property, in which case the North Port police rules would be separate from the Florida state police rules?
That I can't answer not being a local, but the whole story just doesn't ring true to me. As a mother, my first instinct would be the welfare of my child & not a car, the last thing I would do is remove his method of transportation away from him. I would contact the ticketing agency & explain the situation & why the car could not be removed, also if I believed he may have intentions of self-harm I would not wait 2-3 days to report that, it just all sounds pre-planned to me.
 
Regarding the Aug 17-23 trip, it does not make financial sense. The cost of the flight and hotel was much more than the cost of the storage unit. If it had been Gabby's goal to save money for the van trip, then him flying off to Florida and interrupting their trip might have been his power move to waste her money. He would have known if she wouldn't choose to stay in the van alone. He was also very persistent in the Moab bodycam that they were going to hike in Arches that day. He may have been just as insistent with his plan for them to try "wwoofing" at an organic farm in Washington at the end of the road trip. If they weren't returning to Florida for months, then emptying the storage locker makes a little more financial sense if you consider only his side, the cost of the plane ticket, and disregard the expense on her side for a hotel room.

My guess is that in the last week of the trip, they were arguing about money. MOO
I agree with you. I’ve also wondered whether the Aug 17-23 trip was motivated by mail relating to the Aug 12 “LE involved DV/Mental Health” incident that might have arrived at the Laundrie home. Aug 17 was 5 days after that incident, enough time for an Incident Report to be completed and mailed to Bl’s and GP’s mailing address in FL. Perhaps two envelopes arriving from Moab Police Dept - one addressed to BL and the other to GP - alarmed BL’s parents and they called BL demanding some answers and, after hearing BL’s version of events, insisted upon a week’s separation AND removal of GP’s stuff from their home or from shared storage.
 
I agree as well. MOO BL has committed suicide and we will all need to accept we will never know what occurred between him and Gabby.

IF he has, I believe Gabby's mom knew what was going on with Gabby and Brian, at least in general because they talked on the phone often. Gabby's mom knew enough about their relationship that the FBI asked her not to discuss it publicly. I think that she (and possibly her husband and Gabby's siblings) is likely to write a book (probably with a ghost writer) about what happened to Gabby and what the family went through to help generate publicity and funding for the Gabby Petito foundation and the cause they are going to be supporting for the rest of their lives. I'm sure that the Petito family will be able to help others facing similar situations. So, I do think we will know quite a bit about what happened between BL and Gabby including warning signs that were missed.
 
Agree, the parents have not once begged him to come home, don't appear concerned he may not be alive.

They may not know where he is but they know he's safe and sound.

All my opinion
Unless he was suicidal already (couldn't even be left home alone after driving across the country) and they know he went off to kill himself. They can pretend he's safe and sound somewhere instead of facing reality.
 
A lot of "influencers" have started with less of a plan than our enterprising Gabby. You never know what will go viral. That is the element that can't be planned but can lead to real income if it happens and is exploited with hard work. There are many elements to successful vlogging. There is no singular path.

The reason it is popular is because online content can be marketed for profit....maybe a little or maybe a lot.

She/they saved money, bought a travel vehicle and started an adventure. Even if she only went home with life experience, she would have many skills in vlogging that she could use in job hunting, furthering her education, etc. Many people have capitalized this skill set.

I admire her passion which is indicated to me by her willingness to not just treat their time on the road as a "vacation." She was putting in some sweat equity. What if BL had been willing to do the same?
MOO

#JusticeforGabby
I agree! I know a few people who have become "influencers." I'm older than them & it's definitely a bit weird to me, as that didn't exist when I was coming up. It's a lot of work, but then also sometimes something just takes off, it can just take 1 big post to enlarge an audience. It's a combination of a lot of grunt work & hoping for an algorythmic jackpot.

I think Gabby was pretty proficient in SM, & knew the vanlife subculture well, & I think could have made a real go of it. It's not outside the realm of possibility that she could have picked up sponsors, even if her follower count was still relatively low initially. I know of people without a huge following who get free clothes & whatnot, as it costs the sponsor very little on a wholesale level, it's almost free exposure & it feels more authentic to a lot of people than a straight up ad (whether it is more authentic is another story!).

I think Gabby could have gotten sponsorships from REI, even promotion from the National Parks & Forests, maybe a new van in the future, & so on. (Personally I think all of that likely chafed BL, who I don't think would have found sponsorship etc "pure.")

I've seen posts from time to time that question the viability of her endeavor, how successful it was, whether it was a whim, her follower count, etc, & tbh it makes me sad, because the truth is she never really got a chance to show us what she was able to do.
 
Bringing this post over from the Media only - no discussion thread

Agree! Someone posted in a previous thread that one of the neighbors is charging media $3500 to rent out part of their lawn to stand on. That is genius and making the best of a horrible situation with the relentless protesters and MSM vs the neighbors who have not been listed as players in this case. IMO.
 
This is interesting. North Port municipal code defines "Abandoned Vehicle" as one being left on public property 5 days or longer. North Port LE ticketed the Mustang on 9/14/2021 @14:42 (2:42pm). Doesn't that mean it had to have been driven there on the 10th or before? But the Laundries claim BL didn't leave until the 13th? Either something's not right here or I'm misreading something?
- Abandonment prohibited. It shall be unlawful for any person to abandon any vehicle upon public property within the corporate limits of the City of North Port, Florida. Any vehicle which is left upon public property for a period of five days or longer shall be presumed to be abandoned.

Chapter 42 - NUISANCES | Code of the City | North Port, FL
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I don't know if anyone followed the murder of Alexis Sharkey but this morning U.S. Marshall's showed up at her husband's house and he shot himself in the head as they announced themselves.

This is what I would be worried about if I were the Laundries.
 
I don't know if anyone followed the murder of Alexis Sharkey but this morning U.S. Marshall's showed up at her husband's house and he shot himself in the head as they announced themselves.

This is what I would be worried about if I were the Laundries.
Wow, I was just wondering what was going on with that case, because it was so apparent it had to be him. Terrible.
 
Again, prescribing a controlled substance out of state can be done, and honestly isn’t that difficult. A faxed prescription with a “wet” signature is usually accepted. Most prescriptions are totally digital (including a Dr’s signature) so that’s why something would need to be faxed in this case. Rarely this will be questioned, but if it is then the prescribing doc is called to verify the rx. I know everyone thinks because of the opioid crisis these things are under strict lock and key but think about why and how that crisis even happened in the first place. As long as a doctor orders something, it is executed. Yes, pharmacists can sometimes refuse to fill but that is rare. Plus, do you know how horrible it is to work at a chain pharmacy? Burn out is very real. Again, if the doc orders it, the patient gets it. The only (well actually- this isn’t really the only thing but let’s say it is) thing that has changed is the willingness of a doctor to prescribe certain meds or the amount you will be prescribed.

Also, and probably way more straightforward, a doctor treating a mental illness would not refer to an out of state doc, most likely would not even know who or where to refer to. If it was a crisis situation, go to the emergency department. If it’s lab work, they would send an order to a lab, no new doctor needed. The new referral wouldn’t happen and doesn’t make sense for many reasons.
Also, insurance is a b**ch.

But yes, some docs are strict and want an in person visit or you’re not getting what you need/want.

In my opinion, a doctor or medication was not involved during this random trip home to FL. Just wanted to clarify things for those speculating.

I agree. Would have been great if so, but I don't believe BL went back to SLC in a healthier state, probably the opposite. I am very much on the side of "He needed a break from Gabby" and may actually have tried to self-extricate from an increasingly serious situation. He was decompensating after the LE stop in Moab, they probably couldn't stop thinking about it or talking about it. Now, one of their fairly common behaviors (spatting and getting handsy with each other) was publicly known and documented. Welcome to Utah. There's a joke that anyone from out of state who goes to Utah will be stopped by at least one LEO, for some reason, somewhere. That's when they realized "We're not in FL any more." There's no public carry of weapons in Utah, no fighting in public in Utah, no sales of liquor on Sundays in most places, and in fact, one has to register to buy alcohol, IIRC. I'm not saying that Gabby or BL wanted alcohol, I'm just saying that Utah is prim and proper, and very no-nonsense, but community oriented, about policing. It's a place where you may still get off with a warning if you're only going 10 mph over speed limit.

I think BL was freaked out by his close encounter and probably pretty angry with Gabby (who admits she slapped him first and he thinks stiff-arming her/smooshing her face is a self-defense move - apparently, so does LE).

Anyway, they go ahead and see Arches (does Gabby ever upload any pictures from that amazing place? Should have been several, it provides the photo ops of a lifetime, although perhaps the sheen was off the trip at that point). I figure they planned to stay about 3 days there and apparently go through that without incident. But the Van Life honeymoon was over. At some point, BL decides to go back to FL, Gabby tells her parents he's going for a short trip, so in theory, he had a round trip ticket. This is called a "refueling" event when a child (yes, even an adult child) goes for contact with parents when they're feeling negative feelings/depressed/out of control. It indicates an immature personality, to me. I would love to get an assessment on BL's actual mental age, but of course, we'll never know that now.

I doubt opiates or any scheduled Rx would be involved in any way. Makes no sense. And common anxiety meds could be called in by his regular doctor (assuming he had one) even to Utah.

I think he may have gone home, to reflect on whether he wanted to return. From the 17-19th, Gabby is coping by working on her Nomadic Statik upload. At any rate, as had happened so many times before (according to Gabby's friend), they made up and continued. But BL is very much on edge. I believe he remains unmedicated, that his level of agitation is gradually reach new heights. It has gone beyond anxiety and is now in possession of most of his thought processes. Gabby still thinks things can go back to normal, but BL's greatest fear is being put in jail/outed as a "bad person," and not getting to live his life in nature. I just read yesterday in some article that it was Brian who wanted the Van Life, and Gabby liked to say "Gabby Petito does not go outdoors." So she was modifying a major thing about herself in this new Van Life, and probably experiencing it as a period of growth in her life.

Meanwhile, only BL knows just how close he came to totally losing it with her; how much closer he's getting each time they fight; how without the watchful eyes of Mom and Dad, he can't quite keep himself together. He has written lifestyle "checks" that his brain can't cash. Young people constantly think they can do things that end up being completely over their head. I know I did. Travel is tough and it is a good pre-marriage exercise in compatibility. Many relationships disintegrate during travel.

I believe BL "lost it" at Spread Creek, for some probably petty reason.
 
I don't know if anyone followed the murder of Alexis Sharkey but this morning U.S. Marshall's showed up at her husband's house and he shot himself in the head as they announced themselves.

This is what I would be worried about if I were the Laundries.

Yes! He could run up until the moment LE approaches him and bam, it would be all over but the crying . IMO.
 
Okay. So the attorney statements have been really interesting to me and I've really just had the time to sit down and put them together. So here's a timeline based on what he's said to reporters and police reports to fill in the dates between what he's confirmed. I am only using Twitter-verified reporter's accounts to ensure the accuracy of the text messages.
8/17 - BL flies to Tampa from SLC to obtain "some items and empty and close storage unit to save money as they contemplated extending road trip." (10/5 Text from SB to Jorja Roman; Source: Jorja Roman Twitter)
8/23 - BL returned to SLC to rejoin GP. (Source: Jorja Roman Twitter)
9/1 - BL stops at CL's home before returning to parent's home. (Source: Justin Schecker Twitter.)
9/1 - License plate reader confirms the van entered the city of North Port at approximately 10:26 a.m.
9/4 - BL opens account with AT&T and purchases a new phone, which is the phone he left at home when he went on a hike on 9/14* (Note: References to the hike on 9/14 have been left as originally stated. It is also worth noting that at 2:25 p.m., SB stated he never confirmed the date the phone was purchased because he did not know the specific date, only that a phone was purchased and it was left at home. At 6:21 p.m., he'd apparently received the specific information and was able to confirm. 9/29 Text from SB Source: Jossie Carbonare Twitter.)
9/6 - 9/7 BL and parents check in at FDS campground. (9/28 Text from SB; Source: Jossie Carbonare Twitter.) (Note: Cassie Laundrie confirmed she also visited the campgrounds with the family on 9/6 in an interview outside her home; Source: Brian Entin Twitter)
9/10 @ 15:58 and 18:29 (3:58 and 6:29 p.m.) - NPPD record shows two separate phone calls received for public service at Laundrie residence. Reported "problem settled." All other information redacted. (Source: Jossie Carbonare Twitter.)
9/11 - Van was located at Laundrie residence in Florida. BL's parents refused to allow BL to speak with LE and directed officers to speak with their attorney. (Source: Search Warrant.)
9/13- In an amended statement, SB states BL's parents now believe he left to hike Monday, September 13, not the 14th as previously stated. (Source: Jossie Carbonare Twitter)
9/13 - SB speaks to BL. It is unclear whether he spoke to BL before or after he went hiking to know whether he would have been the last person to actually speak to BL before he essentially disappeared. (9/28 Text from SB; Source: Jossie Carbonare Twitter.)
9/14 - NPPD police report related to an abandoned vehicle at 6968 Reisterstown Road, which is the location of Myakkahatchee Creek Environmental Park. (Source: Your Sun.)
9/15- Mustang returned to Laundrie Home. (Source: Jossie Carbonare Twitter.) (Note: The attorney confirms this on 10/5, but this was also pointed out in a live stream by Brian Entin prior to SB's text. It was also reported by Your Sun that the parents stated they picked up the car the next day.)
9/16 - Brian Entin reports Laundrie residence is very quiet, beginning to think BL and parents left. Police stated again they know where BL is but won't elaborate. (Note: Obviously he wasn't in the house, but thought it was relevant to note that LE stated they knew where BL was.) (Source: Brian Entin Twitter.)
9/17 - BL's parents report BL as missing person. (Note: If someone has the missing persons report for BL, let me know and I will link it. I didn't see one.) (Source: Your Sun.)
9/19 - SB releases statement: "The news about Gabby Petito is heartbreaking. The Laundrie family prays for Gabby and her family." (Note: SB has been very consistent in referencing BL and his parents separately. The wording of this implies the entire Laundrie family. At this point, BL has been reported missing, so I would have expected it to say Chris and Roberta or something identifying them apart. I can only guess he phrased it this way in an attempt to garner some sympathy for ALL of his clients, even though he would have no clue whether one of them was praying for her family or not, because he was missing.)(Source: Jossie Carbonare Twitter.)
9/20 - SB schedules and later cancels press conference pursuant to his conversation with FBI. (Source: Shannon Clowe Twitter and Shannon Clowe Twitter.)
9/23 - SB confirms: "The Laundrie's went to Orland to meet with their attorney." In a separate text, he clarified the attorney they met with was him. (Note: This is unrelated to BL, but I wanted to put it in to sort of show how SB refers to his clients and why I feel like the 9/19 statement about the "Laundrie family" was intended to include BL, despite having reported him missing.) (Source: Jossie Carbonare Twitter and Shannon Clowe Twitter.)
9/26 - FBI return to Laundrie residence. SB stated the FBI "requested some items belonging to Brian Laundrie to assist them with DNA matching and Brian's parents provided the FBI with what they could." (Source: Jossie Carbonare Twitter.)
9/27 - SB releases statement: "Chris and Robert Laundrie do not know where Brian is. They are concerned about Brian and hope the FBI can locate him. The speculation by the public and some in the press that the parents assisted Brian in leaving the family home or in avoiding arrest on a warrant that was issued after Brian had already been missing for several days is just wrong." (Source: Jossie Carbonare Twitter.)
9/30 - FBI return to Laundrie home to collect personal items belonging to BL to assist canines in search for Brian. (Source: Eileen Lepahmer Twitter.)
10/1 - SB states Cassie Laundrie saw her brother on 9/1 and 9/6.)
10/5 - SB confirms he only represents BL, CL (father, not sister) and RL. (Source: JB Twitter)
10/5 - SB amends original date parents last saw BL. He now states they believe he left to hike Monday, September 13. (Source: Jossie Carbonare Twitter)

Here's my revised theory given the above information:

There are really only two unaccounted-for dates, 9/12 and 9/13. I've been waiting for SB to come out and say they were mistaken about the date.

First, I can't recall when SB originally said the parents picked up the Mustang, but I remember there being confusion over when the Mustang was actually returned. However, it always struck me as odd that he went hiking on the 14th and the report of an abandoned car was filed on the 14th. If the car was parked somewhere illegally, like not in a dedicated parking space, then you would assume the vehicle would have been towed and/or received a citation, but that wasn't the case. It also doesn't make sense to assume a vehicle is abandoned after sitting there for less than a day. The abandoned car reported seemed to indicate the car had been there for longer than a day.

Second, SB said that BL and his parents went to other places on two different dates the following weekend but did not give the dates. There's a reason for that. I don't know what it is yet, but it's a big one. I think you can automatically rule out the 10th due to the police responding to the home on two separate occasions. You can rule out the 11th due to LE retrieving the van that day and asking to speak to BL but being refused.

That only leaves the 12th and the 13th. Wherever they went on those two dates is going to be key. He has confirmed all other dates, but those two dates. He left those vague and he didn't volunteer the info on where they went. When it came out they had visited the park, he was quick to say the dates they were there to make it seem like no big deal. If the places they went on the two dates after that weekend were no big deal, then why not go ahead and put that out there? Now all of a sudden they're backtracking on the actual date he went missing and it's because they're trying to get ahead of something that is going to come out at some point.
Great summary. I think you should include other 911 calls and visits to home.
Three 911 calls 'were made from family home day Gabby was reported missing'

Btw. There is a live search for school shooter in Arlington, TX going on right now. 4 victims. Very sad.
 
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