Zimmerman Real Time Trial Thread Only *NO DISCUSSION* 06/26/2013

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@WildAboutTrial
Rachel lied about being 16 years old when she was actually an adult. I think that's what I just got out of that? #Zimmerman
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Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
Jeantel says her mother told Crump that Jeantel would do an interview him. #Zimmerman

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
Jeantel says that in mid-March she got a phone call and text from Sybrina Fulton asking for her to speak with Crump.

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 8m
Jeantel says she never knew there was any issue with #Zimmerman not being arrested b/c she doesn't watch the news. #TrayvonMartin

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 11m
Says Tracy Martin contacted her and told her that it seemed Jeantel was last person to talk to #TrayvonMartin
 
@WildAboutTrial
She was supposed to have an in person meeting with the attorney but it was changed to a recorded call only. #Zimmerman
 
Back at 3:2. On the record.

Bring jury back in. Can we get Ms Jeantel back in the courtroom please? Laughter.

Please be seated, Mr West when you are ready.

West: You met Trayvon in Kindergarten? 2nd Grade.

Reconnected on February 1st, 2012. That's her birthday, she remembers the day.

Yes, that's when we begain to 'laugh around'.

From Feb 1 to Feb 26, when he died did you see him 3 times? No, I saw him a lot. (implying more than 3) Not in a boyfriend girlfriend kind of way.

On Feb 26 did you text with him, and talk with him? Yes.

She says that part of the time they did a three way conversation that day with a third person on the phone.

Now, everyone is confused about evidence numbers.

Whatever it is will come in as Defense Evidence #16.

West has misplaced the extra copy to show witness. Someone gives him one, a list of the beginning times and ending times of calls on Feb 26.

West shows her the list that starts at 5:09 PM. She says there were more calls that day. He does not adequately explain that for whatever purposes they are starting with the 5:09 PM call. West tediously reads the start and end times of each call. She says yes to each.

What time did Trayvon tell you he was leaving to go to the store? She says: around six.

Do you know which one of these phone calls might be one that was while he was at or in the store? No.

6:23:49 to 7:09:11 time period.

He wants to concentrate on that time period. He lost her (and me). Okay, it is apparently the time from when Trayvon left the store. Zim saw him in complex at 7:04. HENCE,
asking the witness about if she knows what Trayvon was doing during that time period.

West introducing the idea that Trayvon was hanging around a mail area in another complex.

West asking her about the distance between 7/11 and the complex. He is asking her again about the time period and what and where Trayvon was in that time period. He had to go about a mile.

She says the rain had caught him and he took a short cut to the mail area.

When Trayvon said to you he was in the mail area, you don't have any information as to why it took him so long to get there? NO.

The night of the event, you believed it was just a fight? In a word, YES.

Now West is going through what she previously said. He is totally confusing her and me.

Now on to Crump, and her talking to him. She didn't really want to talk with him?

Now on to she thought someone had been arrested for the death of Trayvon and she thought the police would contact her, not that she should contact them.

She reminds West of "The First 48" TV show, where the police contact the last number called on the victim's cellphone. Which is why she didn't call the police.

He is going on and on, I don't think he understands the concept.

First phone call was from Trayvon's father. He told her he thought she might be the last person to have talked with Trayvon.

The wake was March 3rd. By March 17th she still didn't know that (George) had not been arrested.

She doesn't watch TV News. She only watches the weather. She reiterates that. She does not watch news.

She agreed to talk with Trayvon's father's attorney.

The next day, she went to school, got a phone call, she didn't answer, his mother left a long text message asking her to speak with her mother. Ms Fulton thought Rachel was a minor. Rachel's mother was out of town. Rachel told her mother some of what was going on and Rachel's mother agreed for Rachel to speak to the attorney.

Rachel asks West if she could just tell what happened that day. So that's what she is doing.

Basically, her mother agreed for Rachel to meet with Ms Fulton. No one had talked with Rachel about what had happened. She didn't want to see people cry. Her (Ms Fulton) son dead.

When you told her what happened, did you use the words that Trayvon Martin spoke? NO. Not in detail. Just told her that he was being followed. She is talking about Plan A which was to give Ms Fulton a letter.

She tries to express how she felt at the time, how it feels to be the last person to talk with someone before they are killed.

Rachel says: "I don't remember where I was supposed to meet them." It was agreed to do it over the phone. West implies that it was all planned to be in person and broadcast or videotaped possibly at a TV studio or something.

She knew she was being recorded on the phone interview with Atty Crump. With Trayvon's mother and father listening.

West says a reporter from ABC News was present during that interview and recording. She says she didn't know that.

Now discussing again why Rachel had lied and said she had gone to the hospital instead of the wake. She said she was sixteen to protect herself as a minor instead of her true age of 18 at the time.

Mr West tries to make a speaking objection to his own question. Oh dear!

Approach the bench time.
 
Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 12s
Says she met w/ Fulton and told her "a little bit" about what happened. But didn't go into detail. "I just told her he was being followed"

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
Jeantel says she initially didn't want to meet with Sybrina Fulton because she knew it could be an emotional meeting.

Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 49s
Says she also gave Fulton a letter that also explained parts of what happened to #TrayvonMartin

Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
Jeantel acknowledged that she initially lied to Fulton and said she was in the hospital during #TrayvonMartin's wake.

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
Jeantel: "You have to understand I was the last person that talked to him...You have to understand how it felt."

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
Says at meeting with Crump she knew he was recording the interview. #Zimmerman

Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
Jeantel says she wasn't as forthcoming about being 18 at the time to maintain privacy. #TrayvonMartin

She admits to West she told a lie about being in the hospital was the reason why she didn't go to the wake. She agreed to talk to the family's lawyer in person but did by phone instead. She believed was a 3-way call with the attorney and mother. Knew was recorded but not that it was for broadcast.
She lied about age of 16 so she would have more privacy.

West says he wants to make some type of objection, judge says you can't object to your own question. Sidebar....

Bill Sheaffer says defense trying to get her to cop an attitude but doesn't seem to be working to me.
 
Back at 3:2. On the record.

Bring jury back in. Can we get Ms Jeantel back in the courtroom please? Laughter. Judge forgot she wasn't there yet.

Please be seated, Mr West when you are ready.

West: You met Trayvon in Kindergarten? 2nd Grade.

Reconnected on February 1st, 2012. That's her birthday, she remembers the day.

Yes, that's when we began to 'laugh around'. West: Huh? Rachel: "laugh around".

From Feb 1 to Feb 26, when he died did you see him 3 times? No, I saw him a lot. (implying more than 3) Not in a boyfriend girlfriend kind of way.

On Feb 26 did you text with him, and talk with him? Yes.

She says that part of the time they did a three way conversation that day with a third person on the phone.

Now, everyone is confused about evidence numbers.

Whatever it is will come in as Defense Evidence #16.

West has misplaced the extra copy to show witness. Someone gives him one, a list of the beginning times and ending times of calls on Feb 26.

West shows her the list that starts at 5:09 PM. She says there were more calls that day. He does not adequately explain that for whatever purposes they are starting with the 5:09 PM call. West tediously reads the start and end times of each call. She says yes to each.

What time did Trayvon tell you he was leaving to go to the store? She says: around six.

Do you know which one of these phone calls might be one that was while he was at or in the store? No.

6:23:49 to 7:09:11 time period.

He wants to concentrate on that time period. He lost her (and me). Okay, it is apparently the time from when Trayvon left the store. Zim saw him in complex at 7:04. HENCE,
asking the witness about if she knows what Trayvon was doing during that time period.

West introducing the idea that Trayvon was hanging around a mail area in another complex.

West asking her about the distance between 7/11 and the complex. He is asking her again about the time period and what and where Trayvon was in that time period. He had to go about a mile.

She says the rain had caught him and he took a short cut to the mail area.

When Trayvon said to you he was in the mail area, you don't have any information as to why it took him so long to get there? NO.

The night of the event, you believed it was just a fight? In a word, YES.

Now West is going through what she previously said. He is totally confusing her and me.

Now on to Crump, and her talking to him. She didn't really want to talk with him?

Now on to she thought someone had been arrested for the death of Trayvon and she thought the police would contact her, not that she should contact them.

She reminds West of "The First 48" TV show, where the police contact the last number called on the victim's cellphone. Which is why she didn't call the police.

He is going on and on, I don't think he understands the concept.

First phone call was from Trayvon's father. He told her he thought she might be the last person to have talked with Trayvon.

The wake was March 3rd. By March 17th she still didn't know that (George) had not been arrested.

She doesn't watch TV News. She only watches the weather. She reiterates that. She does not watch news.

She agreed to talk with Trayvon's father's attorney.

The next day, she went to school, got a phone call, she didn't answer, his mother left a long text message asking her to speak with her mother. Ms Fulton thought Rachel was a minor. Rachel's mother was out of town. Rachel told her mother some of what was going on and Rachel's mother agreed for Rachel to speak to the attorney.

Rachel asks West if she could just tell what happened that day. So that's what she is doing.

Basically, her mother agreed for Rachel to meet with Ms Fulton. No one had talked with Rachel about what had happened. She didn't want to see people cry. Her (Ms Fulton) son dead.

When you told her what happened, did you use the words that Trayvon Martin spoke? NO. Not in detail. Just told her that he was being followed. She is talking about Plan A which was to give Ms Fulton a letter.

She tries to express how she felt at the time, how it feels to be the last person to talk with someone before they are killed.

Rachel says: "I don't remember where I was supposed to meet them." It was agreed to do it over the phone. West implies that it was all planned to be in person and broadcast or videotaped possibly at a TV studio or something.

She knew she was being recorded on the phone interview with Atty Crump. With Trayvon's mother and father listening.

West says a reporter from ABC News was present during that interview and recording. She says she didn't know that.

Now discussing again why Rachel had lied and said she had gone to the hospital instead of the wake. She said she was sixteen to protect herself as a minor instead of her true age of 18 at the time.

Mr West tries to make a speaking objection to his own question. Oh dear!

Approach the bench time.
 
Rachel was not at all aware that this interview would be released to the public. She did not want it released.
 
@WildAboutTrial
The texts she had with #Trayvon indicated they were in a relationship but she never told anyone she was the GF. I'm confused. #Zimmerman
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@WildAboutTrial
She was identified as the 16 year old girlfriend of #TrayvonMartin's of over a year. None of this was true though.
 
Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
Jeantel says she never knew that the interview was going to be played at a news conference. #zimmerman

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 7m
Updated: #Trayvon Martin's friend describes final phone call (from @AP) #zimmerman http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268748/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=mGlnUFHp …

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 12m
Jeantel says she wasn't as forthcoming about being 18 at the time to maintain privacy. #TrayvonMartin

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 15m
Says at meeting with Crump she knew he was recording the interview. #zimmerman

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 17m
Jeantel acknowledged that she initially lied to Fulton and said she was in the hospital during #TrayvonMartin's wake.

Talking about how she was just a friend and TM actually had another girlfriend.
Asked about the hundreds of texts between her and TM and she said some other friends would use her phone to text TM. Asked her about when she listened to the Crump interview, she said at the interview with 'you/West'. She verifies when the interview was, gives the date and how it had to be rescheduled.
 
Back.

West asking about the phone interview:

West: Could you describe for us where that interview would take place?
Rachel: On the phone.
West: Of course.

More about what she knew about how the interview would be used? No, no, and no.

Not unlike this courtroom testimony, he is asking her if during the interview she was asked to speak louder and more clear, etc. Rachel: Yes.

West: Could you make a special effort to speak up, we are having a hard time hearing you? (As did they on the interview. Sorry, I couldn't resist.)

West is asking now about a television broadcast of the phone interview. Did she see the press conference that Crump gave where he played parts of the interview? NO.

OMG, this is just too sad.

She is trying to describe how their text messages made it seem like they were boyfriend girlfriend. But, they weren't. She knew he was seeing another young lady. Her relationship with Trayvon wasn't like that. She was a friend with Trayvon. Some of the texts between them wasn't even from her. Two were texts from her friends using her phone.
West says there were hundreds and hundreds of texts. She says some were her, some were not. (This is odd and off track)

West switches to if Rachel had ever listened to an interview she had with Mr West. They hadn't finished on Wednesday, and they agreed to that Friday, but they had scheduling issues (she is expressing her displeasure about that)and she was rescheduled for another time. She is very very good with dates. She knows her dates.

Now, he is asking about Crump interview: She tells West she did not want to do the Crump interview and did not take it seriously.
But, she says she was paying attention to it.

West is trying to impeach her. Saying she said one thing in the interview and then changed it. They have asked for a moment to come up with the 'proper impeachment'.

Gives a part of the Crump interview they got from ABC News. Don't know what it is yet.

Stay tuned. At the bench.
 
It looks like they are about to play crump interview In whole or in part that was not released to public..

Prosecution heads to sidebar to discuss it..
 
Judge calls a recess. Sends Jury back to Jury Room. Sound off. Sound on.

15 Minute Recess.
 
Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
Jeantel says she wasn't #trayvon's girlfriend but that the hundreds of texts and phone calls between them might give ppl that idea.

West saying she changed what TM said to GM from the Crump interview. Bill S. says they are going to play the interview and try to impeach the witness.

Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
Jeantel says her interview with Crump she didn't take seriously because she didn't want to do it. Said she rushed thru it. #TrayvonMartin

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
West says portion of Interview was recorded by ABC, who was on the room. Copy did not come from Crump. #TrayvonMartin

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
Seems as if the defense is about to play Jeantel's interview for jury. #zimmerman

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
Jeantel says her interview with Crump she didn't take seriously because she didn't want to do it. Said she rushed thru it. #TrayvonMartin


Sidebar and recess...
 
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Zimmerman Real Time Trial Thread Only *NO DISCUSSION* 06/26/2013
 
This is not a discussion thread.

"This thread is for REAL TIME COURTROOM updates." As per Tricia, first post.
 
when will the discussion thread open again?
 
Moving on from deposition until they have time to go to the tape or address it completely.
 
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