Found Deceased Canada - Norah, 11 & Romy Carpentier, 6, Quebec, 9 July 2020 *father died of suicide*

[Sjm_qc]

Not a very good map, no doubt, but hopefully people can see the relative locations. I haven't seen the exact location of the car crash, so if anyone knows that, that would be helpful.

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I get a message saying I need to ask for access. Location of the accident is kilometre 288 on autoroute 20.

 

[dotr]

July 13 2020
As search for Martin Carpentier continues, SQ focuses on area where girls' bodies were found | Montreal Gazette
''SQ spokesperson Ann Mathieu told reporters on Monday morning that “elements of interest” had been found in a sector of forest near two rural roads – which led the manhunt for the 44-year-old Carpentier to focus on that area.''

''Mathieu said that autopsies on Romy Carpentier, 11, and her 6-year-old sister might possibly be completed by Monday, but that nothing would be said about the results until investigators were able to track down and question Martin Carpentier''.

 

[Sjm_qc]

It is strange that he ran away from the accident.. The witness saw him run away.. He could not have been with his daughters in the car after such an accident. I think it was staged, as somebody was mentioning. What if he left his daughters somewhere in the woods.. with candies and chips, prior to the accident, and told them to wait for him (very cruel) and voluntarily caused the accident, ran towards the fields, making sure somebody saw him but went completely in the opposite direction to fool the SQ in their search.

BBM: I don’t think the witnesses saw him or anyone running away from the accident. I think that’s a bad/sensational headline that got “lost in translation”. I.e. the phrase used: ”il s’est dépêché de s’en aller” refers to a vehicle (see below), “it”, rather than “he”.

As far as I could make out, there was an interview with 2 witnesses who said that another vehicle was stopped in front of them with warning flashers, but once they stopped their car, it drove off.

Could that be relevant? Very possibly, but having listened to the interview multiple times, neither of them say they saw a person running off.

 

[Sjm_qc]

The crash site is more or less within the limits of St-Appollinaire. If you’re mapping it, it’s around kilometre 288 on autoroute 20.

Authorities haven’t released exactly where the bodies were found.

From TVA (I’ll drop the link below - the info is in the video report), this is the vague timeline/locations I have:

8.15pm Ice cream purchase (confirmed by transaction receipt) at 1810, route des rivières, Lévis

8.30pm last “official”/confirmed sighting (CCTV) of Martin & the girls at 1505 Rte des Rivières
Lévis (it’s a gas station/convenience store). He/they/the car were seen leaving direction WEST (towards Montreal) on the 20.

~9.15pm accident happens. The car was travelling EAST-bound on the 20 back towards Levis when it crashed over onto the westbound side.

~1am “cries” or screams were heard in the vicinity of rue Vielleux (St-Apollinaire).

Without official confirmation of where exactly the girls were found, I’m not sure whether all that helps or hinders, but if a mapper wants to have at it, I’d be happy to see it!

Fillettes disparues : «Il s’est dépêché de s’en aller», dit une témoin

And there’s a map of the current/yesterday’s search area here:
Aperçu dans un boisé, les recherches se poursuivent pour trouver Martin Carpentier

(EDITED to fix typo in crash location)

I’m bringing my own post forward, because a reader has kindly pointed out that I’ve skipped an entire day. Profuse apologies. It should read:


From TVA (I’ll drop the link below - the info is in the video report), this is the vague timeline/locations I have:


WEDNESDAY July 8th
8.15pm Ice cream purchase (confirmed by transaction receipt) at 1810, route des rivières, Lévis


8.30pm last “official”/confirmed sighting (CCTV) of Martin & the girls at 1505 Rte des Rivières
Lévis (it’s a gas station/convenience store). He bought snacks, water, maybe soft drinks. He/they/the car were seen leaving in direction WEST (towards Montreal) on the 20.

~9.15pm accident happens around the 288 kilometre marker. The car was travelling EAST-bound on the 20 back towards Levis when it crashed over onto the westbound side.

THURSDAY July 9th
3pm Amber Alert issued

FRIDAY July 10th
~1am “cries” or screams were heard in the vicinity of rue Vielleux (St-Apollinaire).

SATURDAY July 11th
Noon-ish the girls’ bodies were found, putatively in or near the area the police are (still) searching.


Without official confirmation of where exactly the girls were found, I’m not sure whether all that helps or hinders, but if a mapper wants to have at it, I’d be happy to see it!


Fillettes disparues : «Il s’est dépêché de s’en aller», dit une témoin



And there’s a map of the current/yesterday’s search area here:

Aperçu dans un boisé, les recherches se poursuivent pour trouver Martin Carpentier

 

[indicolite22]

While the car crash and the disappearance occurred on Wednesday evening, the screams were only heard by residents in the early hours of Friday, which was more than 24 hours later. How likely is it that the screams are connected to the case? I can think of a number of possible scenarios but they seem kind of far fetched with too many assumptions. I think the truth is probably more simple.

If the screams are unconnected, something else must have brought the investigators to the search area. If Martin Carpentier was alive within the area, wouldn't thermal cameras used on helicopters have detected him by now? If I'm not mistaken, there's no confirmation that he was ever seen alive after the sighting at the convenience store, which was 45 minutes before the car crash.

 

[indicolite22]

I read in a news source yesterday that the children were found 1.5 hours apart on Friday (one at 11:30am and the other at 1pm). The location quoted is near the labeled search area - one of the streets mentioned was rue Saint-Lazare, where the elements (objects?) of interest were found today/last night (link below).

Aucune trace de Martin Carpentier: «La clé finale de l'histoire, c'est lui»

Current search area is also near where the bodies were found.

Traque de Martin Carpentier : les policiers veulent le retrouver vivant

Another account about when/where the bodies were found (automatic translation):

It was west of Route 273, in a wooded area along Rang Saint-Lazare, that the first body, that of Norah, 11, was found shortly before noon. Then, a few tens of minutes later, the body of her sister, Romy, 6, was located nearby.

Interestingly, the bodies were reportedly found west of the road 273, but the current search is supposedly concentrated to the east of that road.

La police déploie une vaste chasse à l’homme pour retrouver Martin Carpentier

 

[indicolite22]

There's a plane flying over the search area:

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[Vern]

RSBM:

BBM:... I think that’s a bad/sensational headline that got “lost in translation”. I.e. the phrase used: ”il s’est dépêché de s’en aller” refers to a vehicle (see below), “it”, rather than “he”.

As far as I could make out, there was an interview with 2 witnesses who said that another vehicle was stopped in front of them with warning flashers, but once they stopped their car, it drove off.
...

Indeed: "It hurried off".

Makes me wonder if he did indeed have another vehicle parked on the side there and staged the accident at that location so he could make his escape with it.

 

[Snoopster]

I get a message saying I need to ask for access. Location of the accident is kilometre 288 on autoroute 20.

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[dotr]

As search for Martin Carpentier continues, SQ focuses on area where girls' bodies were found | Montreal Gazette

''Amelie Lemieux, centre, is comforted by family members as she holds pictures of her two daughters, Romy and Norah Carpentier, at a memorial in Lévis on Monday, July 13, 2020. The bodies of Norah and Romy Carpentier, aged 11 and 6, were located in a wooded area in St-Apollinaire, but Martin Carpentier, who is suspected of abducting the girls, remains missing. Jacques Boissinot / THE CANADIAN PRESS''

''ST-APOLLINAIRE — The mother of two young Quebec girlsfound dead following an Amber Alert last week delivered a tearful tribute to her “princesses of love” Monday as police continued to hunt for their father, who is suspected of abducting them.

“Be my stars in the night who will guide me through this immeasurable pain,” Amélie Lemieux said through tears. “My two beautiful princesses of love, I wanted and waited for you so much. From your first breath, I loved you unconditionally. You are my whole life, my reason for existing. … I love you like crazy. I love you to infinity.”

''The Sûreté du Québec said they found “pertinent elements” in the area on Sunday that “lead us to think Martin Carpentier could still be around the area, or at least be in transit in that area,” said Sgt. Ann Mathieu, an SQ spokesperson.''

rbbm
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mont...man-after-bodied-of-daughters-found-1.5647256
"It's not impossible that he's still alive, but we have to consider that, with the time passing by, maybe he's not," Mathieu said.
"We're still searching. We never saw Martin Carpentier. We never had any contact with him. The information that we possess is related to the citizens that report having seen him."

''Mathieu said that all evidence so far leads police to believe Carpentier was in the car with his daughters at the time of the crash, but the only one who could tell them that for sure is Carpentier himself.''

 

[Snoopster]

As search for Martin Carpentier continues, SQ focuses on area where girls' bodies were found | Montreal Gazette

''Amelie Lemieux, centre, is comforted by family members as she holds pictures of her two daughters, Romy and Norah Carpentier, at a memorial in Lévis on Monday, July 13, 2020. The bodies of Norah and Romy Carpentier, aged 11 and 6, were located in a wooded area in St-Apollinaire, but Martin Carpentier, who is suspected of abducting the girls, remains missing. Jacques Boissinot / THE CANADIAN PRESS''

''ST-APOLLINAIRE — The mother of two young Quebec girlsfound dead following an Amber Alert last week delivered a tearful tribute to her “princesses of love” Monday as police continued to hunt for their father, who is suspected of abducting them.

“Be my stars in the night who will guide me through this immeasurable pain,” Amélie Lemieux said through tears. “My two beautiful princesses of love, I wanted and waited for you so much. From your first breath, I loved you unconditionally. You are my whole life, my reason for existing. … I love you like crazy. I love you to infinity.”

''The Sûreté du Québec said they found “pertinent elements” in the area on Sunday that “lead us to think Martin Carpentier could still be around the area, or at least be in transit in that area,” said Sgt. Ann Mathieu, an SQ spokesperson.''

rbbm
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mont...man-after-bodied-of-daughters-found-1.5647256
"It's not impossible that he's still alive, but we have to consider that, with the time passing by, maybe he's not," Mathieu said.
"We're still searching. We never saw Martin Carpentier. We never had any contact with him. The information that we possess is related to the citizens that report having seen him."

''Mathieu said that all evidence so far leads police to believe Carpentier was in the car with his daughters at the time of the crash, but the only one who could tell them that for sure is Carpentier himself.''

I can't imagine having lost one of my children...let alone both.
Don't you just wish you could reach through the screen and give this poor woman a hug?
Devastating.

 

[Vern]

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[Sjm_qc]

While the car crash and the disappearance occurred on Wednesday evening, the screams were only heard by residents in the early hours of Friday, which was more than 24 hours later. How likely is it that the screams are connected to the case? I can think of a number of possible scenarios but they seem kind of far fetched with too many assumptions. I think the truth is probably more simple.

If the screams are unconnected, something else must have brought the investigators to the search area. If Martin Carpentier was alive within the area, wouldn't thermal cameras used on helicopters have detected him by now? If I'm not mistaken, there's no confirmation that he was ever seen alive after the sighting at the convenience store, which was 45 minutes before the car crash.

I have my doubts about whether the screams are connected or not, given the timeline (or could it possibly have been Martin, rather than the children?).

As I understand it, there are no confirmed sightings of him after 8.30pm Wednesday (yes, at the Couche-Tard). I think the concentration on the specific search area may be due to ‘items’/traces found. LE are being tight-lipped.

Finally, the helicopter & thermal imaging: I’m no expert & don’t know exactly how the technology works but: the weather has been weird - intense heat/humidity & bouts of heavy rain. Also, the area is densely wooded.

Anecdotal:
Years ago I was involved in a search for a lady who went missing in a different region of Quebec, with a smaller defined search area, which was also dense forest/woodland. We had the helicopters, SAR teams from all over even as far as Ottawa, the SQ & dozens of volunteer searchers. We couldn’t find her.

The search was suspended after 5 days. On the 6th, à couple out walking (not searching) came across her alive. A couple of hundred yards outside the search perimeter. She’d been sheltering in an abandoned container, drinking rainwater & from a stream. While confused & disoriented, she survived & recovered.
Micheline Charron retrouvée saine et sauve

All that to say, or illustrate, that even with all resources deployed (and I recognize some of them currently working to find Martin Carpentier from back then), searching in forests/woodlands can be an absolute b*tch.

 

[evilwise]

I have a neighbor who encourages semi-feral cats and until I got used to hearing their night time interactions I could have easily believed someone was torturing a child from the sounds they make.

 

[Sjm_qc]

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[Sjm_qc]

I can't imagine having lost one of my children...let alone both.
Don't you just wish you could reach through the screen and give this poor woman a hug?
Devastating.

I couldn’t bring myself to watch. Just the first seconds ripped me apart. I cannot even imagine her grief .

 

[Bodhi]

DBM

 

[Bodhi]

I have a neighbor who encourages semi-feral cats and until I got used to hearing their night time interactions I could have easily believed someone was torturing a child from the sounds they make.

The scream of a red fox sounds human. In the middle of the night, it is very unnerving. It could easily be mistaken for a girl.

 

[AllElseFailed]

I have a neighbor who encourages semi-feral cats and until I got used to hearing their night time interactions I could have easily believed someone was torturing a child from the sounds they make.

I wonder if there are foxes in the area? We lived out in the middle of nowhere for a bit and I thought a woman was being murdered outside. It was a fox. Terrifying.

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[AllElseFailed]

The scream of a red fox sounds human. In the middle of the night, it is very unnerving. It could easily be mistaken for a girl.

Should have read your post first. My bad. And my exact thought.