GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #116

[Gemmie]

Regarding his choice to skip Kate’s Cup of Joe in Clarkston, from what I can tell online, it’s strictly drive-thru. If a local knows different, please correct me. But if it’s a drive-thru, I would imagine he might not have wanted to get that close to a human being or potentially a camera while in his vehicle that day. He might’ve preferred to park a bit away and walk up.

Alternatively, he might have paused to read the menu board and found he didn’t like their options for one of his dietary preference reasons.

JMO.

Even if a coffee place is drive-thru only, meaning no place to go inside and sit, people can still walk up to the window and order that way. I've seen it done many times in an adjoining state. They aren't going to tell the walker they can't be served because they didn't pull up in a car. The only "rule" is to not cut in front of cars and walk straight up to the window (unless they have separate drive-thru and walk-up windows like my local Dutch Bros). If the business doesn't have a walk-up window they need to stand in the line of cars and wait their turn. That's fair.

 

[Barbb]

I just realized the Idaho murders occurred on Nov 13 (2022) same date as the Amityville/DeFeo murders Nov 13. (1974)

 

[gremlin444]

I'm starting to think maybe this is the first time that BK had a car, specifically when he moved to Idaho. Maybe before that he was always borrowing his Mother's.

He got done with the murders and drove back to Pullman, then headed back to Moscow to the bank/possibly to drive by the crime scene or police station to check for activity and back to Pullman. Then he drove to Costco 40 miles away in Clarkston.

I wonder if it wasn't novelty to drive around like a 17 year old with a car for the first time. Gas is typically expensive enough that you run errands in a specific order (if you actually have errands) and don't loop around multiple times to different towns to go to ATMs, etc. He likely had 50+ ATMs in Pullman to go to but drove to Moscow instead.

There are at least a dozen grocery stores in the region, but no he went to the valley down in Clarkston, WA to an Albertsons, purchasing one single coffee drink. I think he was stuck in loops circling prey and frappuccinos. It's wasteful, illogical, and creepy. JMOO

I remember when the footage of the Indiana traffic stops came out, reporters got the VIN and ran it through Carfax--notably KREM:

Body cam footage from Moscow murder suspect's traffic stop sheds light on vehicle's history

According to a CarFax report, the owner of the car seen in the body cam footage re-registered the car in Pullman on Nov. 18, five days after the murders.

www.krem.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1610470832937275393

It was purchased in Dec 2019.

There were posts about it here, especially noticing how much mileage was put on the car:

Post in thread '4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #89'

Oct 11, 2023

I would bet my bottom dollar that in 2015 Mr & Mrs Kohberger didn't leave there community in the Poconos to travel to Canada in order to buy a new Hyundai, pay the extra duties and fees instead of the Hyundai dealership 40 miles away. But hey...MOO!

That information has already been revealed...

• BK was the fourth owner of the Elantra.
• The first was a rental car company. Hertz I believe.
• Hertz sold it as all rental car companies do.
• The second owner purchased it from Hertz's used car dealership in NJ and registered it in the Poconos.
• The third owner appeared to...

• schooling

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Post in thread '4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #89'

Oct 11, 2023

That information has already been revealed...

• BK was the fourth owner of the Elantra.
• The first was a rental car company. Hertz I believe.
• Hertz sold it as all rental car companies do.
• The second owner purchased it from Hertz's used car dealership in NJ and registered it in the Poconos.
• The third owner appeared to purchase it privately or had it gifted to them, registered it in Maryland.
• The car then returned to the Poconos area and was put for sale on a lot there. This is what makes me believe that it might have been a gift or transferred within a family...

• schooling

• 

Quoting @schooling

"According to the CarFax that Nicole from KREM 2 posted...

• 1/15/2020 after buying the car a few weeks prior, BK officially registers it with 77,033 miles on it.
• 6/25/2020 over the last 5 months only 3,000 miles have been put on the car. It's now at 80,243.
• 8/13/2021 over the last 14 months BK has put an additional 14,000 miles on the Elantra, as recorded during a service and tire change in the Poconos. The mileage is now at 94,328.
• 8/15/2022 a year later. BK arrives in WA with 111,808 on the odometer. Racking up another 17,000 in 12 months.

I know people who travel a good distance for work, or have a bunch of kids to drive around, or they themselves commute to school day in and day out. Those people regularly put 15k+ miles on a car every year.

But I'm starting to wonder how many trips BK made out to Pullman (or other colleges in consideration) in the time he owned his Elantra. Especially in the 12 month span where he put 17,000 miles on it...which is an average of 1,400 miles a month."

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Sweat pants would make sense.

I am interested in the psychology concerning BK's fascination or obsession with the movie "American Psycho". I've never seen the movie so I got this from AI about the plot:

"The story centers on Patrick Bateman, a handsome, well-educated, and wealthy Wall Street executive who maintains a meticulous morning routine and a facade of normalcy while descending into violent, hedonistic fantasies and acts of murder at night." Another description of the plot said "misogynist attitudes"were on display too and maybe that's where BK first picked up his very odd horrid attitude toward women we have heard so much about going all the way back to his earlier years before Idaho.

I find the "meticulous morning routine" of the psycho in the movie interesting as well as the "facade of normalcy". I can easily picture BK adopting those for himself. And the "nightime fantasies and acts of murder at night" can certainly explain his middle of the night wakefullness. But on the "handsome, well educated, and wealthy", gag me. Yet I'm thinking he may have really believed he had perfected that whole entire persona, accounting for his general overall overly inflated view of himself.

What are the odds he first saw American Psycho at a young "budding" or imprintable developmental age and was eroticized by the lead role in American Psycho? Maybe he began to cosplay the traits in his own real life from a very young age, and in a narcissistic twisted way eventually fell in love with his own self as that role? Maybe that explains his "self love" night time selfies? I'm curious also as to how he envisioned his life *after* his murders, given that he was tanking at Life 101 overall. Addictions cause many students to fail in school and maybe his was a compulsive murder fantasy addiction that caused him to be so very odd that it eventually got him kicked out of school or was it that he just lost his assistantship job? I'm not clear on that detail.

Any idea how a person would go about finding out how old BK was when he first saw American Psycho? The movie first came out in 2000.

We need one of our verified psych/human science types to weigh in here. I think the imprinting idea related to age might be interesting to consider. Or maybe he was just born a plain sicko. OMO.

@10ofRods often has insights on topics like this. Ten, you out there?

 

[Warwick7]

33 minutes ago...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1972670200630989195

 

[LMDlong]

33 minutes ago...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1972670200630989195

I stopped the video and zoomed into view his hand. To me it looks like his knuckles were scraped and his pinky finger has a splint or something on it.

 

[LMDlong]

I stopped the video and zoomed into view his hand. To me it looks like his knuckles were scraped and his pinky finger has a splint or something on it.

 

[Megnut]

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Brass knuckles?

 

[Gemmie]

From what I can tell online, this place looks like a tiny house or large shack. It’s described as a drive-thru but does not resemble a typical fast food drive-thru with a clearly defined queueing lane, though the menu board is affixed to the exterior next to a service window. Looking at it more closely, I can imagine walk-ups might be permitted.

Maybe there was a line he didn’t want to wait in or maybe they didn’t have exactly what he wanted, considering his very specific dietary preferences. Or maybe the idea of self-checkout felt safer than being so up close and personal with the person manning the window and perhaps a camera there.

are you specifically talking about Kate’s Cup of Joe? cause here where I live people cannot go through a drive-through unless they're in a vehicle and will not be served if walking and there is no separate 'walk up window'

I'm thinking they accept walk-ups as I had surmised in an earlier post. While I doubt you can actually pick an order up "in-store" like it says on their FB page (perhaps they don't control the language) and that means you could walk up to pick up an order. It doesn't look like there's space to actually go IN-store like it says, so it's JMO that they do allow walk-ups.

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[OneLove]

This Youtube shows river access from the parking lot where Kate's Cup is. The video is (unnecessarily) long but this guy walks down to the river from there to show the easy access.

While Kates Cup might not actually forbid walkup orders, you can see from the line of cars how terribly awkward this would be and why its almost never done at most of these parking lot kiosks. There is no separate order window for walkups so a person would have to park somewhere, walk over, then wait their turn behind a line of vehicles with motors still running. They can't just break in line in front of waiting cars (without starting a fight). And if there are no cars waiting in line, they can't be guaranteed there won't be by the time they park and walk up to the window. Also, the prospect of cars whizzing up (badly in need of coffee/caffeine) while they are standing there wouldn't feel exactly safe either. Add the weather exposure and extra time required and it adds up to why the drive up kiosks do well (enough to stay in business). Those who want a walkup counter experience tend to look for the Starbucks type places.

I lean toward believing BK walked into multiple stores there intentionally to be seen on camera as an "alibi" of sorts for being there if he were ever questioned. Same with that weird getup he was wearing, looking almost like he was trying to blend in with the (respectable and nonsuspicious) LDS mission boy look. Just more camouflage. I'm guessing he spent years dreaming up the "perfect" murder and building an unquestionable cover up. Whoopsie!

Do students and faculty at his university actually dress like that?

Source: YouTube - YouTube

 

[Megnut]

kinda looks like he just drove through - not sure if he slowed down at all to view a menu - but he had to know there would be cameras wherever he ended up

Nothing to see here, just everyday in the life of a normal PhD student. Taking another self for his own admiration. Driving a ridiculous distant to shop for.... something to drink.

One might conclude he had time to kill.

But of course, he'd already done that. I honestly think he was trying to appear normal, doing normal things, without having any real awareness of what normal looks like.

Notably he wasn't grading papers, working on his own.

Except for the possibility that he discarded evidence on some part of that trip, what exactly did he DO that whole day? A dramatic day of nothing?

One wonders when he slept last. Or again.

JMO

 

[Toniab329]

Brass knuckles?

I doubt if he'd wear brass knuckles into Costco.

I'm confused about the timeline here, are they trying to say it was immediately after? Because I also doubt if any stores are open at 4:30 Sunday morning. The next day? Some random date after the murders?

 

[LadyL]

Nothing to see here, just everyday in the life of a normal PhD student. Taking another self for his own admiration. Driving a ridiculous distant to shop for.... something to drink.

One might conclude he had time to kill.

But of course, he'd already done that. I honestly think he was trying to appear normal, doing normal things, without having any real awareness of what normal looks like.

Notably he wasn't grading papers, working on his own.

Except for the possibility that he discarded evidence on some part of that trip, what exactly did he DO that whole day? A dramatic day of nothing?

One wonders when he slept last. Or again.

JMO

hopefully his sleep is disturbed with nightmares for the rest of his life
I wonder when they had this footage and if they were able to check any dumpsters on his route

 

[LadyL]

I doubt if he'd wear brass knuckles into Costco.

I'm confused about the timeline here, are they trying to say it was immediately after? Because I also doubt if any stores are open at 4:30 Sunday morning. The next day? Some random date after the murders?

I believe it was later on the day of the murders
he went home first and showered, took a selfie in the bathroom mirror, talked to Mother, possibly went and discarded some evidence, then had a craving for a cold coffee drink apparently JMO
someone correct me if I'm wrong

ETA: didn't he at some point that morning also drive back by the crime scene?

 

[Megnut]

I doubt if he'd wear brass knuckles into Costco.

I'm confused about the timeline here, are they trying to say it was immediately after? Because I also doubt if any stores are open at 4:30 Sunday morning. The next day? Some random date after the murders?

I mean, are those marks consistently with brass knuckles? Not that he was still wearing them. He wouldn't.

This store footage is about 8 hours after the murders, 3 hours after he drove near the crime scene, then returned to his apartment, took the selfie, then drove quite a ways to shop... for something to drink.

All with also logging hours on the phone with Mother.

JMO

 

[Chloegirl]

I doubt if he'd wear brass knuckles into Costco.

I'm confused about the timeline here, are they trying to say it was immediately after? Because I also doubt if any stores are open at 4:30 Sunday morning. The next day? Some random date after the murders?

I think she means bruising from brass knuckles and not on his hands like jewelry while shopping in Costco. JMOO

I have thought this since I first saw those images of knuckles. I see evidence of injury.

He's at Costco at like 12:30pm the afternoon of the murders, so 8 hours later. This is after taking selfies at 9:30am and going back and forth between Moscow and Pullman.

His hyperactivity = ridiculous murderer trying to compensate, cover-up, get out of dodge, "act normal".

 

[OneLove]

>>>snip<<<
The funniest thing to me about this discussion of BK potentially having been “inspired” by Ellis’ book (or the film versions) is that the book, per Ellis’ own description, is satirical. Patrick Bateman (the titular “psycho”) is an utterly ridiculous figure—vain, insecure, navel-gazing, neurotic—in short, superficial to the max. >>snip<<

Hah; I think this describes BK perfectly: vain, insecure, navel-gazing, neurotic, and superficial to the max. Didnt he also think of himself as too clever to get caught? Yep; I'm more convinced than ever that Bateman was BK's hero and role model.

And thanks for the history. I wasn't aware of the book t all and would much rather read it than watch a version of it on the screen.

 

[Toniab329]

I mean, are those marks consistently with brass knuckles? Not that he was still wearing them. He wouldn't.

This store footage is about 8 hours after the murders, 3 hours after he drove near the crime scene, then returned to his apartment, took the selfie, then drove quite a ways to shop... for something to drink.

All with also logging hours on the phone with Mother.

JMO

Oh! Yes, that makes more sense. Thanks, this was the first I'd seen it heard of the Costco trip, so I had no context for it.

 

[Megnut]

Oh! Yes, that makes more sense. Thanks, this was the first I'd seen it heard of the Costco trip, so I had no context for it.

Oddly enough, BK too seemingly had no context for it.

From a suggestion uothread, perhaps he thought he could sup at the food station without a membership card? Maybe PA Costcos have that. But even then, so far from home? Sunday drive? Pinnacle of the Sunday Drive, Costco. You see that in the travel brochures (sarcasm intended). Wandering the countryside with nowhere to go, no one to see, nothing else he ought to be doing, nary a care in the world, well, until thirst overtook him? Hardly a desert, he had options. How many beverage stands did he pass up?

I gave to wonder what was normal, for him. Did he spend all of his Sundays wandering aimlessly in his maguc carpet Elantra? Where did Mother think he was? Church? Socializing? Studying? Overgrading but underscoring papers? Writing and researching his own papers? Seems the only phone he was blowing up was hers. What did he usually do on Sundays, weekends?

Or did he suddenly find himself with extra time in his hands, because he wasn't spending time grading papers anymore? No more copious criticism in the margins ... no friends ... just Mother.... and thirst.

What a ghoul.

JMO

 

[LMDlong]

33 minutes ago...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1972670200630989195

Another thing that comes to my mind is that he could have been getting rid of evidence. Bathrooms have trash cans. He could have made multiple stops. And his clothing appears suspicious. IMO