Which one is Emma? The black hair?
Mel has black hair, Emma has the red.
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Which one is Emma? The black hair?
Which one is Emma? The black hair?
Absolutely...I feel bad for all concerned in this tragedy. Not knowing the family personally or seeing any medical/psych records on this case, my comments are made solely on knowing very little. People act differently in situations. I'm having the most trouble understanding the father taking them to that kind of concert. In a sense, it seems like he condones it by doing that. However, it may also be true that he would rather take them himself than her get there some other way. A situation I myself never want to be in personally. I am deeply saddened by many aspects of this case.
For some gut reason I think the girls were killed first. Either very late Tuesday (after Mel's Myspace logon) or on Wednesday. Somewhere it was mentioned that mom was out of town at a conference, not sure of the timeframe or even if that's been confirmed, but maybe she was killed when she came home (or possibly when she came home from work on Wednesday). The father was the last one killed. He probably went to the house to check in on them on Thursday, before leaving for Richmond. I'm guessing his calls weren't being returned and he wanted to make sure everything was okay.
What I don't understand is why Sam stayed at the house. Was he just waiting it out till his plane departure? He didn't leave until Friday. He was in that house with the bodies for days!
Whew...that was alot of screen grabs. Hope it will be useful to someone. Sam had two other MS pages...anyone else want to screen grab them before they disappear?
Emma and Melaine both hav e MS Pages, but they were both set to private.
Emma has dyed red hair.
But don't be confused by the tribute photos you are seeing to Emma and Melanie. Those have been posted after they died, but are being shown even on older posts.
I am sure it looks like approval. Trust me, it's not. Anyone who has never lived through the hell of a child who begins down a dangerous path has not a clue. That's not insulting others, btw. Just like I can never know what it's like to have cancer unless I get it. I am empathize and listen, but I can never know, and so how can I judge?
When a family is assaulted by a subculture, as happened in this case, it really does feel like a physical assault. You walk around, zombie-like, then frantic by turns, trying to stay calm, trying to figure out what approach is best, terrified you'll pick the wrong one. You feel guilty, and oftentimes, helpless. People are very, very quick to point fingers and judge what they do not understand. They are lucky they do not understand.
My entire family was a nervous wreck over my son's foray into the 'dark side.' My father had a stroke. I got high blood pressure. Endless, sleepless nights -- look, we're talking about teenagers here -- try MAKING them physically stay where you put them. They leave by way of windows or when you're sleeping or at work. Then, you get them into therapy. You try to compromise if you think it will keep them at home. Strange friends are welcomed to visit, and you find yourself taking your child to *their* home to visit. Just. Stay home. Stay safe. Please. Then, the all-nighters begin.
Next stop, in-patient treatment, where every evening you show up on the teen psych ward and see all the other suffering families visiting their suffering children, bearing flowers, teddy bears, and pained smiles. Then, you have to leave them there and go back to cry in your car. You know you showered love, care, and tender discipline upon them. You know they never went without a comfort or parental love. But. There you are, crying in your car, driving home to face their empty bedroom. But, you're scared to let them come home yet. At home you cannot watch them every minute.
when they do return, more problems may arise. We wound up going the group home route -- more supervision, more therapy --but they're only stopped up there with other suffering kids. So, try the grandparent route -- grandma and granddad are retired and have the time to dote upon the child. It doesn't matter. But at each step you hope it will, so you keep trying.
Emma's parents loved her desperately. They went to the nth degree to personally protect her. I am fairly certain they tried all the things that I and others did, and taking her and her friends to the concert was just another one of those things.
You should all remind yourselves that when your child ventures into those dangerous sub-cultures, you, the parent, are suddenly thrust into it with them. It is an utterly alien place to most people. It is difficult to find your bearings, to know what is the best way to navigate and keep your family safe. It is a frightening experience. I cannot even begin to imagine the horror when the murders began. PLEASE cease the "what ifs," the "why didn't theys." You have no idea.
That was me that mentioned the conference. I had it confirmed a couple hours ago that Dr. Kelley was with the group that traveled to the concert. I'm pretty sure they got home Sunday night. The father left the mother, two girls, and Sam at the Farmville house, and then traveled to his own home in Pamplin (an even tinier town, about 30 minutes to the west of Farmville). The following Thursday he called the house, but no one answered. He had to travel to Richmond that late afternoon and stopped by Farmville on his way. He was murdered on Thursday. I received this information from a source VERY close to the minister.
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/local/crime/article/FARM20S1_20090919-222405/294216/
Read the first comment below the article, posted by paulc418
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/local/crime/article/FARM20S1_20090919-222405/294216/
Read the first comment below the article, posted by paulc418
Have you heard anything about when Dr. Kelley was last seen? Or in what rooms the bodies were discovered, were any in bed?
Have you heard anything about when Dr. Kelley was last seen? Or in what rooms the bodies were discovered, were any in bed?
I was thinking... it doesn't really seem like this Sam orchestrated the whole thing from the beginning, like, as a set-up. I mean, it doesn't seem like he was trolling the internet for someone to kill and then chatted up these girls and went after them. The messages exchanged between them on Myspace, and the way the mutual friends talk about them, I get the idea that something went bad suddenly. They went to the concert and then they came back. And the father felt like he could leave the house. I wonder what went on with the girls that led Sam to actually kill the girl he'd come to see and everyone else.
Or do you all get the impression that he was just a psychotic killer from the get-go and these were his prey?
For some gut reason I think the girls were killed first. Either very late Tuesday (after Mel's Myspace logon) or on Wednesday. Somewhere it was mentioned that mom was out of town at a conference, not sure of the timeframe or even if that's been confirmed, but maybe she was killed when she came home (or possibly when she came home from work on Wednesday). The father was the last one killed. He probably went to the house to check in on them on Thursday, before leaving for Richmond. I'm guessing his calls weren't being returned and he wanted to make sure everything was okay.
What I don't understand is why Sam stayed at the house. Was he just waiting it out till his plane departure? He didn't leave until Friday. He was in that house with the bodies for days!
An interesting interview with the sister.
Some particular points:
* He met Emma Niederbrock at a concert (some months ago) in Southern California, she said.
* "They were really, really lovey-dovey," said Sarah McCroskey, who said her brother had saved money for months to pay for the trip. "I've never seen him that excited."
* Last Tuesday and Thursday, she said, her brother left her messages saying he was calling to check in. "He said, 'I love you,' " she said. "In this family we swear and burp - that was just really weird that he said that."
* she saw an interview after her brother's arrest in which he told a television reporter, "Jesus told me to do it." But she said it wasn't a sign of a psychotic break. "He's just a complete sarcastic a-," she said. "That's just his sense of humor."
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/21/BA6719QAUS.DTL#ixzz0RmH1LpQd