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I have figured it out.. You can read better if you're in your underwear and on your hands and knees!
Yes, I remembered the cataracts, but did not trust my memory, bad cataracts seemed too severe.On page 88 of Steve Thomas' book he states that " When Cataracts diminished his vision, JR had to hire a private pilot."
Agatha_C,
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Thats it the Ramsey reading method. Only canine posture and clean underwear required, perfect vision restored immediately.
Yes, I remembered the cataracts, but did not trust my memory, bad cataracts seemed too severe.
I knew someone who had bad cataracts and as the years went by his vision deteriorated to the point he had tunnel-vision only, and required help in reading the small print.
So these claims about John seeing JonBenet instantly are similar to Patsy placing the size-12's into the underwear drawer, plausible yes, but dont quite match the physical evidence.
So I reckon its safe to suggest, if John has impaired sight then, him redressing JonBenet in those size-12's is plausible?
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I don't particulary like to use the word "hide" or "hidden" when it comes to the body being in the wine cellar.
JonBenet's parents needed the body of their child to be found. The body had to be removed from the basement. I can't imagine either of them thought that far ahead to try to get rid of a dead body once the cops left.
I've said over and over that the ransom note was a blueprint to explain why there was a dead body of a child in the house when the cops found it, and we know in time they had to find it.
For all sense and purpose a ransom note addresses a kidnapping. The focus is mainly to get money in exchange for the person who has been taken. But when you get into reading the ransom note (really a letter) the emphsis does not appear to be on how to exchange the child for the money.
There is much detail on how to obtain and prepare the money but little detail on the exchange. For instance the "kidnappers" tell the parents they will be contacted tomorrow. But the letter does not in any way make clear WHAT tomorrow the "kidnapper's" are refering to. There's not date on the letter, and no way in the details within the letterl do the "kidnappers" reference a day of the week that would indicate "tomorrow."
That omission to me means the person composing the letter assumes the people reading the letter know what "tomorrow" means. The frame of reference for tomorrow, if this were a real kidnapping would be when the note is found and read by the parents, not when was written, if you are truly kidnapping a child and wanting money in exchange.
Also in this ransom "letter" there is a lot written about how much hate there is toward John Ramsey. The letter goes above and beyond in the description of how John is the target for punishment by a "foreign" faction. To me, that part of the letter goes toward explaining why the child will be found dead.
There was a great need by the Ramsey's for the body to be found. It is my opinion, very telling that we get one story from Fleet about his search and failure to see, smell or sense a dead body when he looked into the area. And yet when an official search is set up under the direction of LE, John finds his daughter almost immediately in an area that had been searched by another person.
I can only draw one conclusion when I consider the different outcomes between the two seperate searches: the body was not in the wine cellar when Fleet went looking. Common sense tells us this. jmo
Bits removed from above quote...
DeeDee, do you really think that given "they" said in their ransom letter not to talk to anyone or her remains wouldn't be returned that any "kidnapper" would risk returning to the house with a dead child and "deliver" her?
This just strikes me as overkill...especially if the police were going to be keeping an eye on the place and then there's the neighbours who would supposedly keep a closer eye on things. Wouldn't someone notice a LACK of car delivering the body?
Nah...I don't think they thought much beyond what happened to be honest.
Smart in that they've got away with it, dumb in that it almost entirely relied on the incompetence of others to work.
So JR had bad eye site and needed reading glasses to boot. Yet he saw his daughters lifeless body on the floor of a pitch dark room and was able to read the RN in poor lighting without his glasses. OMG, JR is really Clark Kent/Superman and he was living right there in Boulder and no one knew it. Maybe we should call the Daily Planet.
What a bunch of liars the Rs are. I wonder what it must be like to have to live with the reputation those two gave themselves, all while trying to save that very same reputation. Guess what JR, not only do we still see you and yours as guilty and liars. We now see you as Dumb A$$'s, idiots, jerks, slime and worse than beer can collectors, your the scum left in the bottom the trash cans used for recycling. You are/were dung beetles and human trash. I would rather be homeless than rich if this is what money makes of you.
Sorry, I suddenly had to get that out of my system. The only thing that would feel better is knowing that he reads this.
JR didnt need his eyes, he already knew she was in the WC (he helped to stage) and knew what was in that RN (He helped to write).
azwriter,
Seems more likely to me. I'm going to factor it into my RDI theory, along with the barbie nightgown and doll. For me its a staged homicide thats gone wrong. This why I use the word hide its in the same sense as JonBenet's molestation and assault is hidden beneath the longjohns and size-12's.
Someone initially staged JonBenet postmortem. John comes along and changes certain features of the staging e.g. removes the barbie-nightgown and doll. Eventually wrapping her up in the blanket and moving her to the wine-cellar where she is hidden. e.g. she is not lying in a bedroom beneath a sheet or blanket. If being found is the rationale then why place her at the bottom of the house in a wine-cellar?
It seems as if the original staging may have portrayed JonBenet as assaulted and killed in bed hence the barbie nightgown and doll. This might favor PDI as the correct theory. With John cleaning up with an ulterior motive?
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You have a point, but I'm sticking with the idea of the nightgown being attached to the blanket by static when taken from the dryer. There's a dryer in the basement, along with paint brushes. I think the staging was done in the basement using what could be found there. jmo
You have a point, but I'm sticking with the idea of the nightgown being attached to the blanket by static when taken from the dryer. There's a dryer in the basement, along with paint brushes. I think the staging was done in the basement using what could be found there. jmo
I have to say this makes about the most sense to me, too. But the bloodstains on the pink nightie are troubling to me. If the static cling theory is correct, how did the blood get there? The only way is if she was wiped down when lying ON the white blanket in the WC and some blood inadvertently splattered on the nightie. JR saw the photo and the first thing he said was "that wasn't supposed to be there" when he saw the nightie. I have always been amazed that LE didn't jump all over that statement. Of COURSE it wasn't suppose to be there. Neither was the white blanket and neither was the dead little girl.
I have never ever thought that the barbie nightgown arrived in the wine-cellar accidentally
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If JR said she was found in those same clothes, then PR supposedly couldn't have done that. What did Patsy say she did when she got home?
Patsy said she took off JB's black velvet pants. She did not mention socks or the black velvet vest JB was also said to have worn that day. Patsy claimed she looked around for the pink pajama bottoms JB had worn on Christmas Eve (she is seen wearing the top in the Christmas Morning photos) but couldn't find them. There is a pink garment said to be the pink pajama top seen on JB's bed in the crime photo. Patsy said JB kept pajamas under her pillow (a lot of girls do this). Also seen in the crime photo of the bed is that the pillow is pulled away from the head of the bed- a very expected sight if Patsy had pulled the pillow away to get the pajamas. Yet, the R's (and LS) jumped all over this as a way of saying "look- she was pulled from her bed- look at the pillow" when it was Patsy who pulled that pillow away.
After not finding the pink pajama bottoms, Patsy said she looked in a drawer and found the longjohns. They are thin cotton thermal weave, so they are perfect for sleeping anyway.
Patsy said she left JB in the shirt she wore to the White's, after first saying she wore a red turtleneck. But when shown photos of the White's party by police, she had to admit that JB was wearing the white top.
There has been confusion about the pink pajama bottoms- they were said to have been found in BR's room- an indication she may have actually put THOSE on Christmas night instead of the longjohns. As far as I know, I have seen nothing written about the pink pajama tops OR bottoms, do not know if police found them, took them or anything. And I have not seen that the pink garment seen on JB's bed actually was the pink top. Police took the sheets- that we know. Anything else- not sure.
The pink bottoms are a key piece of evidence. If they were found with urine stains, it would mean that she had to have put them on THAT night when she got home, and had an accident in them. Because if she had wet them the previous night, she wouldn't have had them on the next morning for the Christmas morning photos. I'd also like to know if THEY had any blood on them. Where are they NOW? Anyone know?
Where are they NOW? Anyone know?
MK: ...There was a nightgown that was found down in the wine cellar (the pink Barbie nightgown that was wrapped up in the blanket covering JonBenet).
JR: I have heard about that...I had never seen that. I didn't see it when (I) was down (there)...sounds very bizarre. I don't know why that would be there....
MK: Could have been brought down in the blanket?
JR: I suppose, I don't know....
LS: ...We have heard that a Barbie nightgown was one of her favorite nightgowns. What can you tell us about that?
JR: I think she had a Barbie nightgown. Yeah, as I recall. Pink, maybe.
LS: The night you put her in bed, do you remember anything about a Barbie nightgown?
JR: ...When I laid her down in the bed she had on what she had worn to the Whites. She had that same shirt on when I found her.
LS: What I am trying to say, John, is where would that Barbie nightgown have been?
JR: It would have either been in her bathroom drawer here, where a lot of them were kept...by the sink, I believe. It could have been on the floor, or it would have been in the washing machine. That's probably only three places it would have been.
(0679-03) MIKE KANE: Yeah. This is a photograph and it's numbered 3, actually if I could have that one too. Just for the record, these are photographs number 2 and number 3 of JonBenet's bed, and that, there is a pink nightgown top in there. Does that look like one that she was wearing Christmas morning? JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. It was kind of a knit long sleeve, long -- like long underwear kind of top it looks like. MIKE KANE: I think it's the same thing that's pictured in photo number 2?
(0242-16) TRIP DeMUTH: You can see it better on photo 3. PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, okay. That's the -- looks like a little pink pajama top, with long underwear. THOMAS HANEY: Was that part of a set of -- PATSY RAMSEY: Yes. THOMAS HANEY: -- tops and bottoms? PATSY RAMSEY: Top and bottom, yeah. THOMAS HANEY: And that, does that appear to be one or the other? PATSY RAMSEY: It looks sort of like the top, because there is a little tag, might be at the neck, you know. It may be inside-out. THOMAS HANEY: And if you can, do you know when JonBenet would have last worn that? PATSY RAMSEY: I know she wore it, she had this on Christmas Day.
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It appears JonBenet was playing in Burke's room
http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-crime-photos.htm
(0289-18) THOMAS HANEY: Number 40. PATSY RAMSEY: That's Burke's room, that's the entry to Burke's room. This is where if the kids were there that day, JonBenet was sitting in here making a little jewelry thing. That's a little jewelry kind of case thing and jewelry art thing. TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. The pink -- PATSY RAMSEY: The pink box. TRIP DeMUTH: -- is the jewelry thing? PATSY RAMSEY: Jewelry. TRIP DeMUTH: Does that look normal? PATSY RAMSEY: Yes. I remember. That's why I kind of looked down at the floor where they were playing.
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So but she was found though wearing those same longjohns and the top that Patsy said she put her to bed in that night right? Except for the larger underwear?
Trying to wrap my head around what she was wearing before bed, redressed into to get ready for bed, and what exactly she was changed into after that.
So but she was found though wearing those same longjohns and the top that Patsy said she put her to bed in that night right? Except for the larger underwear?
Trying to wrap my head around what she was wearing before bed, redressed into to get ready for bed, and what exactly she was changed into after that.