No Honor Among Thieves

[JMO8778]

I don't think BR had anything to do with it,although I think he did hear something since he was not afraid.

 

[redeemed]

Let's keep it going.

Superdave-you know, I always thought PDI and still do..however..im beginning to consider John a bit more now...
My understanding is that John got to shower but Patsy didnt...isnt it possible though that it was John who killed JB, but then he was too flustered and couldn't think rationally.He had a mental block-couldn't think clearly as to what to do next....So, Patsy steps in and takes over, does all the staging...maybe it was her idea to write the rn...the whole idea is to buy time...
this gives John time to shower and just "take it all in"....
And THEN he thinks in his mind that-in the worst scenario, most of the evidence points against Patsy and so he would "throw her to the wolves" without a care in the world!!
Now THAT"S what a REALLY smart businessman would have done....

 

[BBB167893]

Superdave-you know, I always thought PDI and still do..however..im beginning to consider John a bit more now...
My understanding is that John got to shower but Patsy didnt...isnt it possible though that it was John who killed JB, but then he was too flustered and couldn't think rationally.He had a mental block-couldn't think clearly as to what to do next....So, Patsy steps in and takes over, does all the staging...maybe it was her idea to write the rn...the whole idea is to buy time...
this gives John time to shower and just "take it all in"....
And THEN he thinks in his mind that-in the worst scenario, most of the evidence points against Patsy and so he would "throw her to the wolves" without a care in the world!!
Now THAT"S what a REALLY smart businessman would have done....

I don't know, redeemed. For whatever reason, I just don't think PR would have done it for him that way. No reason to do it. It's his mess, right? If what you say had happened, I can easily see her leaving HIM to the wolves. I can see how it would be better if she got involved of her own will, but it just seems to be a one-way street, you know?

 

[madeleine]

She obviously loved John and would have done anything for him IMO.JB was just the pageant queen in the house....
I see PR covering for John but somehow I don't see it the other way around........

 

[madeleine]

If she wrote the note she did it for him......IMO

 

[redeemed]

I don't know, redeemed. For whatever reason, I just don't think PR would have done it for him that way. No reason to do it. It's his mess, right? If what you say had happened, I can easily see her leaving HIM to the wolves. I can see how it would be better if she got involved of her own will, but it just seems to be a one-way street, you know?

yeah , i see what you mean...it is this very fact which lets me place Burke as my second suspect ( not John). I can see her covering for herself and her son..

Madeleine- i think John covered up for her, presumably coz she was in her final days in 1996...no one knew she'd be able to make it for another decade...John probably thought she's terminal-and doesnt want her to spend her final days locked up , IMO..

 

[DeeDee249]

I think both parents very carefully considered their son in their decisions. That does not mean BR was involved (though I do still think he may have been). If would have been terrible for BR to deal with having either (or both!) parents jailed and to see this play out in the media with them being arrested and tried would have been devastating.
To the public, he seemed to handle the brutal death of his sister just fine. In his own words, he was "getting on with his life" right after it happened. I mean DAYS after, not weeks or months.
Srtangely, he didn't seem too upset at the time at all. I recall a smiling BR with his parents just days after the murder. He went, from all accounts, happily and without question to the White's that morning, toting a new Nintendo (or some similar item) along,

 

[SunnieRN]

I don't know, redeemed. For whatever reason, I just don't think PR would have done it for him that way. No reason to do it. It's his mess, right? If what you say had happened, I can easily see her leaving HIM to the wolves. I can see how it would be better if she got involved of her own will, but it just seems to be a one-way street, you know?

PR loved her homes, her social standing and lifestyle. I have no idea who murdered JB but I believe that PR would have done whatever it took to protect her financial security, as sick as it makes me feel to type this.

 

[redeemed]

That's a very valid point, SunnieRN. Patsy probably didnt want to risk having John locked up, not with the circumstances at the time....cancer, a murdered daughter..she already had a lot on her plate...the last thing she needed is to carry another burden alone( and care for Burke alone).. John, however little he contributed to her emotionally, was nonetheless her husband...surely the last thing she needed was to have him taken away...that , plus possibly risking their status, etc which they have worked so hard for...
besides, she once carried the title of a beauty queen...Im sure the title of a "killer's wife" didn't sound so appealing to her...no...she MUST keep up the appearances...The "Glitz Factor" must be maintained...
If he was the killer, she must have hated him deeply after that..but maybe she felt she owed him the lifestyle he offered... would she really want a separation or divorce at that traumatic time ???I dont think so...and that kept her silent...
if this theory is true, then , in their eyes, JonBenet wasn't worth all that much...and it aches me just to type that...:sick:

 

[JMO8778]

sadly,I think you're right,redeemed.everything about this murder says so..like leaving her alone under the tree after she was found...not escorting her body to the morgue...and that's just for starters.
they apparently have no use for someone once that person's ability to do for them is gone..even their own daughter.

 

[anne11]

I've been reading some work by H Hakkanen, a forensic psychologist from finland, here's a quick taste of her work;
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0379073809000528
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0379073805001660
I would like to hear what she thinks of this case!

 

[BBB167893]

PR loved her homes, her social standing and lifestyle. I have no idea who murdered JB but I believe that PR would have done whatever it took to protect her financial security, as sick as it makes me feel to type this.

With him behind bars, I'm sure she would have been well-taken care of in the event of a divorce.

 

[BBB167893]

besides, she once carried the title of a beauty queen...Im sure the title of a "killer's wife" didn't sound so appealing to her...no...she MUST keep up the appearances...The "Glitz Factor" must be maintained...

That applies in reverse as well. JR would have to admit that he screwed up his first marriage to marry a monster.

if this theory is true, then , in their eyes, JonBenet wasn't worth all that much...and it aches me just to type that...:sick:

No, I can't believe that. In their way, the DID love her. I'm convinced of it.

 

[Sophie]

I agree Dave although I am inclined to think that the desire to maintain the fiction of being the perfect family informed most of their actions before, after and probably during JBR's death. There may have been altruistic reasons for this - such as protecting Burke's future - but ultimately neither would escape negativity publicity if the other were successfully prosecuted so I think they came up with a mutual protection plan. I have no doubt that the fact that Patsy couldn't be expected to live long was a factor, too.

 

[BBB167893]

I agree Dave although I am inclined to think that the desire to maintain the fiction of being the perfect family informed most of their actions before, after and probably during JBR's death. There may have been altruistic reasons for this - such as protecting Burke's future - but ultimately neither would escape negativity publicity if the other were successfully prosecuted so I think they came up with a mutual protection plan. I have no doubt that the fact that Patsy couldn't be expected to live long was a factor, too.

I would say that there was a substantial attempt to shield BR from the worst of it. If what I believe is correct, then he'd just lost his sister because of one or both parents. He'd lose one of them as well.

 

[redeemed]

I agree Dave although I am inclined to think that the desire to maintain the fiction of being the perfect family informed most of their actions before, after and probably during JBR's death. There may have been altruistic reasons for this - such as protecting Burke's future - but ultimately neither would escape negativity publicity if the other were successfully prosecuted so I think they came up with a mutual protection plan. I have no doubt that the fact that Patsy couldn't be expected to live long was a factor, too.

Absolutely..

 

[madeleine]

One thing I like in DOI is how JR talks about Beth.......it shows how much he loved her......I don't feel the same things when he's talking about JB though.....HUGE difference...just pay attention.....

moo

 

[voynich]

I've considered bringing this subject up for some time now. And my recent dust-up with HOTYH about RN misspellings has convinced me that now is the appropriate time.

It's often been asked, including by me, if the Rs did commit this crime together, why would they have chosen to handwrite a ransom note? More specifically, why would JR, presumably the smart one of the two, agree to such a thing? After all, he was a good businessman, so he couldn't have been stupid, right?

(WARNING: The following contains the opinions and speculations of SuperDave, and does not necessarily reflect the feelings of anyone else.)

Well, as I say in the book, maybe he WAS being a smart businessman, leaving himself a possible out. Here's what I mean:

What if there was a Plan B? What if, as a last resort, PR would be thrown to the wolves? Everything pointed back at her, or almost everything. She had ONE thing on him, and that meant he'd have to play along. But he'd play by his rules, looking to go along with it while making sure that, if push came to shove, nothing could lead back to him. It wouldn't do to have his computer searched and a file of the RN found. But having her handwrite it would put him in the clear. He even tells her to spell differently after the killing.
Hiring separate lawyers was just extra insurance.

It's brilliant. He sets her up and looks like her champion. He gets to be her hero, standing valiantly behind her, defending his lady's honor like a damn white knight.. Meanwhile, he's got her like a lamb to slaughter. If it goes badly for her, hey, he's done all he can! If she tries to hang it on him, it looks like the desperate ravings of a lunatic trying to save her own neck.

There truly is NO honor among thieves.

A good businessman will always have an out. A Plan B, as it were. After all, he didn't owe her anything. She killed his daughter. But he couldn't let her burn right then and there, because he had his hand in the cookie jar. It's always best to shoot someone in the back AFTER you give them a chance to dig their own grave.

(Here endeth the speculation.)

Questions? Comments? Reactions? Threats? Lemon cookies?

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[Ravyn]

One thing I like in DOI is how JR talks about Beth.......it shows how much he loved her......I don't feel the same things when he's talking about JB though.....HUGE difference...just pay attention.....

moo

That is sad really....

 

[JMO8778]

One thing I like in DOI is how JR talks about Beth.......it shows how much he loved her......I don't feel the same things when he's talking about JB though.....HUGE difference...just pay attention.....

moo

ITA! I was very touched at his reaction,and also when Patsy talked about how much he cared for his older kids,and did things like called them every night,etc.
But JB's death was treated like a business matter,much like Patsy's cancer ..like he was just going through the motions.the only instance I picked up on any emotion for JB at all was that evening at the Fernies,esp.when he said "I regret, I regret..".