AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #3

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I. Love. You. Indeed, for this dude to become a real man, he would have to divest himself from all the carpools he has been spoon fed through his life. Problem is, I don't think he is interested in it. This way, he is always on top -lol- always in control, beyond accountable. Comfy place to be.

Well, one can hope that his wife will get tired of being on the bottom.

Not certain that I buy into the whole addiction thing with regard to JD. I see his behavior as being part of a pretty vast dysfunctional system. Talking one game, living another. And this seems to be something of a pattern with fundies in the public eye, perhaps in direct proportion to how much one's income (from TV, appearances, right-wing values orgs and whatnot) depends on presenting a particular outward image.

But one thing that I do borrow from the addiction literature with regard to diagnostics has to do with whether the particular behavior is creating problems in one's life. JD's behaviors have cost him one or two jobs (I think he was let go from a campaign before FRC due to computer *advertiser censored* in the office issues). According to one claim his extramarital sex was unprotected--putting him and his wife at risk for a variety of diseases. Even if his wife decides to stand by him, it would be difficult to imagine that their relationship has not been impacted.

This is all just sorta diagnostics 101 that someone ought to be running through with him. And I don't see anything in the RU lit to lead me to believe that they have any staff competent (let alone licensed) to do that kind of diagnostics. It would appear as though all their clientele are self-diagnosed--and they kinda claim to be of the "good for what ails ya" mindset.

But then, I do believe that what they offer is attractive to folks who are terrified of what they might have to admit/give up if they were to open themselves to honest self-examination.
 
King David had an affair, Prince Josh allegedly had an affair. Why are the womenfolk raising such a stink?

Regarding what the source added: "I just wish she could be left alone to figure out her own feelings on this matter."

I'm not convinced Anna knows how she feels - other than feeling understandably devastated. Beyond that, she's likely feeling the pressure of everything she's ever been taught: to forgive, to forget, to blame herself, and to at all times smile.

In my conversations with my own extended family members, King David's actions are often justified - even when he caused the death of Uriah on the battlefront. They tell me "God forgave him". In this day and age, he would have been charged with war crimes.

This is the legacy of bowing to authority without question.

I agree, Inthedetails, it's like banging your head against a wall.

Those who wish to justify heinous actions - even murder and infidelity - will always find an excuse. But it doesn't mean that those who have a true understanding of right and wrong must accept those excuses.

For me the affair is not the biggest problem we have here. I know many people whose marriages have survived affairs and are even better after because those people realize how much they love each other... But that is not what we have here.
We have some one who was actively seeking an affair on a website and spending thousands to do it.
Maybe to some it seems no different but for me a spouse falling into an affair with a person they know and going online searching for one is a different thing.

I feel bad for Anna who was most likely no doubt pushed into this marriage knowing that he had molested kids.
I feel bad because she has no idea what life is really like or what her options are and is walled off by crazy people.
Even the bible says that affairs are cause for biblical divorce. So people should be giving her those options.
But I feel like she is most likely being told to hang in there to see what happens yet again.
I think Josh Duggar has some real issues. Not just the religious ones but issues and they only way he is going to get help is by a team of clinical experts.
I hope he is getting that.
I have no problem with christian counselors if they are truly certified.

The problem is that the bible does not say to bow without question. And it does not ever mean for people to be a doormat for the bad behavior of others. Submitting comes only when people are in biblical alignment and equally yoked.
That is not what this is.

I hope that he gets help real help and can some how help his family heal from this, But I just don't know anymore.
 
I. Love. You. Indeed, for this dude to become a real man, he would have to divest himself from all the carpools he has been spoon fed through his life. Problem is, I don't think he is interested in it. This way, he is always on top -lol- always in control, beyond accountable. Comfy place to be.

IMO... You make some good points here...

Josh doesn't really think he's done anything wrong... He is just "sorry" he got busted...

Additionally... I have to admit that if he was truly wishing to "recover"...the organization he is presently in offers no real accountability in the therapy process...

I would imagine... And this just IMO... He still has access to a myriad of tech devices that could keep him entrenched in his continuing pursuits...

I do not believe the "administration" at this organization would keep him accountable... As it would shut off their funds that come with other "potential high profile and/or high moneyed clientele"...

This "therapy" is just a band-aid... And what Josh and his parents think is good PR... For a most disturbing behavior... That I do not see as stopping ever...

The fact that he molested children (pedophile)

And that it seems he has a great deal of anger wrapped up in his sexuality...(if the "escort's" story is true.... In fact I think the anger is based in his frustration of his dad and mom's relationship...IMO...)....

These indicate to me that he is one sick $@&$...

And that he really has no desire... Nor mental make-up... To change this chain of events...

Furthermore... I will NOT be surprised if/when new revelations about similar behaviors on the part of Josh appears...

And I won't be surprised if these deviant behaviors continue to his dying days...

All... JMO..
 
They did that show Home Makeover, I think it is called, close to my home.

Many people I know participated in it. It is so phony that we were all upset by it. I imagine it was the same for the Duggars.

So now I'm curious. Say more?


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O/t. Many many takes of the surprise. All materials and work donated by those who worked for no money or compensation. Worked for hours and hours.

The TV crew would come in and be shown pounding one nail, for instance.

The family got the home and curtains, etc all because of friends and neighbors who worked like maniacs.

If I recall, the trip was a loser, too, but don't recall the details of it.

It was good for a deserving family. Some families could not afford the homes that were built for them. Our neighbor builder knew that so they built an affordable home
 
O/t. Many many takes of the surprise. All materials and work donated by those who worked for no money or compensation. Worked for hours and hours.

The TV crew would come in and be shown pounding one nail, for instance.

rsbm --

Reminds me of this report on a food drive in which the Duggars participated:

"The source says one of the Duggar sons put a box of food in the Martinez family car — but once cameras stopped rolling, it was taken back and returned to the Duggars."

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/...on-for-the-19-kids-and-counting-cameras-57456
 
Slightly o/t, but I can't resist. The duggar pastor is quoted about infidelity in the article below. I sent the quote to my brother, a southern baptist pastor, and told him this is why people are leaving the church in droves (including me). Ronnie Floyd is somehow the president of the southern baptist convention.

According to my brother, this quote is mild compared to most of what comes out of this man's mouth. Sigh.
http://www.people.com/people/mobile/article/0,,20947353,00.html


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https://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/bi...er censored*-addiction-dude-youre-just-horny/

“He was seeking tall women, short women, long hair, short hair, girl-next-door type, naughty girl type — basically anyone who wasn’t breastfeeding in a prairie dress,” Maher said. “And he blamed his infidelity on a *advertiser censored* addiction. Oh Josh. Dude, you’re just horny. I’d say the genie is out of the bottle, but I’m afraid you’d bang the genie. Or the bottle.”


http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/jessa-duggar-boycott-josh-duggar-cheating-scandal-68589

Jessa Duggar has come under fire in the days following her brother, Josh’s, cheating scandal.

The pregnant 22-year-old was scheduled to make an appearance at the Southern Women’s Show in Charlotte, N.C. this weekend — but supporters and attendees have spoken out in protest, claiming they will boycott the event because of her affliation.

Not really sure all of the commenters were fans like the headline says though, some could be just mad :p


http://www.etonline.com/news/170875...ains_their_process_our_prayers_are_with_them/

Despite harsh criticism of Josh from several members of the Duggar family, including Anna's own brother, the 27-year-old's wife appears to be staying with him. Richardson pointed out that families are encouraged to take an active role in the recovery process.

"We encourage the family to follow along," he said. "There is an opportunity for them to come up for family therapy. There are visits that are not necessarily monitored. There are opportunities to sit down and work the healing together."

Whaa...? Family therapy? As in sessions with a family therapist? With what qualifications?

Reading the Bible together with the family is not family therapy.

So, how does someone return to a "normal" sex life after leaving the program? According to Richardson, "normal" is "not defined by the number of times, but more so love and respect for your partner. And being faithful and trusting. That love and respect leads to physical intimacy."

"The Bible talks about intimacy, relationships between a husband and wife. The Bible deals with intimacy and lust. So it is turning to God's teachings," he said. "Fun is allowed in marriage, it is supported. But sin is destructive."

So basically he's going to be telling them that if it's good it's good. If you love and respect your partner you're going to have amazing sex, and reading the Bible makes it so. (As if the Duggars don't read the Bible enough...)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...l-how-many-chances-can-you-get-on-reality-tv/

Now, after the latest reveal of Josh’s “double life,” the tone has changed. Some are surprised the special is still airing, given the latest news. People magazine has done a 180-degree turn in its coverage on the family, quoting sources saying “there was always something a bit odd about Josh” and writing stories like “‘Duggarville’ Exposed: Jim Bob ‘Is like a Dictator'; How the Clan Uses a Code Word to Repress Lust.” A spin-off no longer seems like the logical next step.

So where does Josh Duggar go from here? (TLC did not comment on the latest news surrounding Josh, but did confirm the special is still airing Sunday.)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...s-speak-anger-hurt-wake-cheating-scandal.html

'We are all shocked and broken and furious,' an unnamed member of the Duggar family told Entertainment Tonight on Thursday.
The family member said: 'Who did we spend Christmases with? Who have we grown up with? Who is this person? This is supposed to be a happy time, and there is a dark cloud over our family.
'Josh was caught with his hand in the cookie jar and I hope he gets broken in rehab and gets the help he needs. I hope Anna finds the strength to make some changes.'

Cousin Amy maybe? Talking about spending Christmases so it could be someone from the extended family living elsewhere but of the same generation, and the happy time reference could be to her wedding.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/08/26/duggar-family-19-kids-and-no-money-to-count/
The family made a reported $40,000 an episode, which added up to $880,000 for its tenth season ending in May 2015, not including various spin-offs and specials.

And with 19 kids and counting, just with the main Duggar family, they probably needed every single penny.
According to the USDA, the minimum cost of feeding a family of 21 is around $4,500 per month. Though some of the Duggar kids have gotten married and moved out, Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar still have plenty of hungry mouths to feed.

http://pagesix.com/2015/08/28/inside-josh-duggars-rehab-facility/
While communication with family is encouraged, Duggar will only be allowed one monitored phone call per week during the first phase of treatment, which could last up to three months.

Gosh I wonder what they'd do, if they were NOT encouraging communication with family...
 
This is a blog source and I can't confirm but it would figure:

Breaking: Leadership of Josh Duggar’s Treatment Center Allegedly Involved in Sex Abuse Coverup - See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejo...n-sex-abuse-coverup.html#sthash.uxjHk6bO.dpuf

Duggar has purportedly sought treatment at Reformers Unanimous — a facility run by North Love Baptist Church. The pastor of North Love Baptist, Paul Kingsbury, helped a man accused of sexual assault remain on a religious mission overseas to avoid prosecution in the United States, according to Patheos.
https://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/du...ting-sexual-predator-from-prosecution-report/
 
Slightly o/t, but I can't resist. The duggar pastor is quoted about infidelity in the article below. I sent the quote to my brother, a southern baptist pastor, and told him this is why people are leaving the church in droves (including me). Ronnie Floyd is somehow the president of the southern baptist convention.

According to my brother, this quote is mild compared to most of what comes out of this man's mouth. Sigh.
http://www.people.com/people/mobile/article/0,,20947353,00.html


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While I do agree with *some* of his points, I completely disagree with the statement of men and woman seeking sexual needs outside marriage.

The majority of adulterous men seek physical affection outside of a relationship. The majority of adulterous woman are seeking for an emotional need to be met. Sex doesn't keep people from straying. Physical touch combined with love, understanding, provision, compassion, respect, and trust promotes faithfulness.

Love is when my husband is interested, and I tell him I'm exhausted from holding and breastfeeding the baby all day and I just need a couple of hours where my body just belongs to me and he respects that.

Commitment is when he waits until I'm ready to reciprocate.
 
This is a blog source and I can't confirm but it would figure:

Breaking: Leadership of Josh Duggar’s Treatment Center Allegedly Involved in Sex Abuse Coverup - See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejo...n-sex-abuse-coverup.html#sthash.uxjHk6bO.dpuf


https://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/du...ting-sexual-predator-from-prosecution-report/

Of course. Pointless place to go anyway. This is all about Josh appearing to reform so everyone can return to the way things were before his actions blew the Duggars' squeaky clean image apart.

Give it up Duggars, just give it up already.
 
They say the definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over and expecting different results.
 
This is a blog source and I can't confirm but it would figure:

Breaking: Leadership of Josh Duggar’s Treatment Center Allegedly Involved in Sex Abuse Coverup - See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejo...n-sex-abuse-coverup.html#sthash.uxjHk6bO.dpuf


https://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/du...ting-sexual-predator-from-prosecution-report/

From the blog:
The Duggars have made a career out of bottling up their children’s sexual energies, keeping them set on zero until marriage and then unleashing them, but most of what they teach is common in fundamentalist churches. Women are expected to dress modestly so as not to give men the wrong idea, and sexual assault victims are asked what they did to lead their abuser on or cause their assault.*When married men*have affairs, their wives are blamed for not being sexually available enough to keep them at home.
 
From the blog:
The Duggars have made a career out of bottling up their children’s sexual energies, keeping them set on zero until marriage and then unleashing them, but most of what they teach is common in fundamentalist churches. Women are expected to dress modestly so as not to give men the wrong idea, and sexual assault victims are asked what they did to lead their abuser on or cause their assault.*When married men*have affairs, their wives are blamed for not being sexually available enough to keep them at home.

This feels like a punch in the gut to read this.

JMO.
 
Duggars haven't successfully bottled up their children's sexual energies, at least when it comes to Josh.
They claim Josh was a little too curious about sex (which led to him molesting his sisters). Sounds like he still is (which led to him cheating on his wife and viewing *advertiser censored*).
 
Just think guys .. Josh is just the oldest boy .. There's probably plenty more of these 'issues' to come up.

Repression always backfires.
 
I can't help but thinking...


Where did Josh learn these behaviors?

:waitasec:
 
I can't help but thinking...


Where did Josh learn these behaviors?

:waitasec:

I think absolute rule and condemnation over certain behaviors, breeds the opposite behavior. With that said, I think the molesting is a whole different issue. People don't always learn that.
 
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