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Jan 26,2016<snipped>
I am trying to reconcile the TL. Justin Turner said the first fire was an hour before he was toned on the Herron Road car fire. (I discussed this in a post a few pages back)But,now we have to adjust the timeline to subtract 30 min. This TL is going to be the death of me.
That is not very much time between the first and second events is it?
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Now,it seems that the TL between the 'First and Second Fires' Are going to collide. Ranch early on had a quote that the 'fire' made it difficult to manufacture an alibi. Well,I think we are very close to finding out what a prophet (Ranch)was.
I am still massaging the TL.
HELP PLEASE I am so confused
:cow:
Jan10,201530 minutes burning=Jessica/car was burned approximately the same time that LE put her/car at scene (7:31)
Classito
Jan 10,2015ATasteOfHoney said:01-10-2015, 02:38 AM
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Anyway.......let's hope that **everyone** will be investigated & no stone left unturned.
As I've asked recently: who is comfortable around fire, iykwim???
cady said:cady
01-10-2015, 05:43 AM
Until it is established whether the call came in via 911 or directly to Cole Hale's cell or pager, my thoughts on the caller are that .......possibly........it was a volunteer firefighter who had just left the previous fire and was on his way home.
Or, a personal friend of Haley??? JMO
If that is the case, here, I would hope that investigators and LE would follow the lead of investigators of the Lonzie Barton case. He called out the person last seen with the 'missing' child RE as being untruthful. He called out the child's mother as being untruthful, and they put all of the information that they had out there to the public. Next thing you see is RE approaching the police wanting to make a deal, eventually leading them to the body of little LB. My point is, I've seen this as being effective multiple times. If the last person seen with JC is uncooperative or is deemed untrustworthy, then put that information out there for the public. Put some pressure on people, and call them out. It definitely wouldn't hurt, imo.
What really astounds me is how a simpleton with a gas can and matches can stump folks just as smart as this guy. I cannot begin to tell you how much I esteem the FBI for their competence and professionalism. How can this murder, with so much information out there, continue to remain unsolved?If you can invest the 1:14 hours, this YouTube video about the work being done to detect alterations to photos (and by extension, to video images) is pretty fascinating:
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That old adage by Ben Franklin, "Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see" in this digital age is about to become, "Believe none of what you hear, and even less of what you see."
Not only are we not in Kansas anymore, we're not even sure if there really is a Kansas anymore.
JMO
ython:
MSCJgrad, I was speaking with authority from my ignorance as far as the video equipment time stamps. You are speaking with authority from actual knowledge and experience. Can you confirm that LE would have a way of detecting any edits to a videotape, including dubbing, erasure, re-recording, and other alterations?
As far as "calibrating" the actual time on the videotape using Ali's phone, I was thinking about those photos taken of Jessica's burned out car at the M&M on his phone and posted on Facebook, around 9:30 pm CST on 12/6/2014. Wouldn't the surveillance system have captured his capturing, thus serving as a handy reference point, or would it have already been shut down for the evening? I'm assuming such systems normally remain active 24/7, with tapes being recycled after a certain amount of time has passed without any significant events recorded on them.
Regards,
rbarber17
Technically~Cole Haley is the last person acknowledged by Sheriff Darby's TL at the side of a mortally wounded Jessica.Remember that Detective Barry Thompson is Darby's chief investigator. Cole Haley's account has been treated as unimpeachable in the creation of the CS TL.The TL as vague as it is begs for an account of Cole Haley's alibi.If Cole Haley's alibi 'was' he was busy as Chief Volunteer FF duties at the scene of the first fire then very close scrutiny of his movements are imperative. Personally, I would start right there.Put Cole Haley under the microscope.Then from CVFFCH at ground zero (CS)expand my TL microscope from him.
I can see in the narrative that individuals are using vague cell calls as an alibi & attempted to influence the TL. But,to DA Champion's credit & his duplicity he seems to keep that out of his TL & I pray there's a method to the TL madness!
The TL spins out from the initial(1st) call Cole Haley makes which is to surprise Sheriff Darby. Then we get the CS narrative ......
My opinion only.
Please do not repost unless linked to Websleuths. :tyou:
Finally please feel free to critique my post. I enjoy reading EVERYONE'S opinions!
:cow:
Because you cannot prove murder if it didn't happen? If it was a suicide and LE tries wrapping it in a homicide box, it won't fit.What really astounds me is how a simpleton with a gas can and matches can stump folks just as smart as this guy. I cannot begin to tell you how much I esteem the FBI for their competence and professionalism. How can this murder, with so much information out there, continue to remain unsolved?
JMO
Because you cannot prove murder if it didn't happen? If it was a suicide and LE tries wrapping it in a homicide box, it won't fit.
If you can invest the 1:14 hours, this YouTube video about the work being done to detect alterations to photos (and by extension, to video images) is pretty fascinating:
[video=youtube;9DKJ6gP5lJY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9DKJ6gP5lJY[/video]
That old adage by Ben Franklin, "Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see" in this digital age is about to become, "Believe none of what you hear, and even less of what you see."
Not only are we not in Kansas anymore, we're not even sure if there really is a Kansas anymore.
JMO
ython:
ATasteOfHoney said:Originally Posted by ATasteOfHoney;
01-10-2015, 02:38 AM
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Anyway.......let's hope that **everyone** will be investigated & no stone left unturned.
As I've asked recently: who is comfortable around fire, iykwim???
Mizstery, I won't critique your theory, but will add one point about your statement, "whoever managed this crime scene was no novice with accelerants,burn times & handling flash fires etc."
If gasoline was used (and due to the extensive burning of the car, inside and out, I really think it was) then it had to be someone experience with such use. To get that kind of complete burning, the car had to be doused inside and out, IMO. Gasoline is very volatile, and in confined spaces, downright explosive. Even with all the windows rolled down, partially vaporized gasoline in the passenger compartment would have made a very loud "whooshing" noise when ignited, might even have created enough instantaneous pressure to blow out both windshields. The killer(s) would have been battling two things: anxiety over being caught, and fear of becoming part of the conflagration. Any gasoline spilled on the perp(s) could have resulted in the perp(s) being ignited along with the car, from the blowback. And at that time of year especially, with the air cold and dry, a simple static electricity spark from a sleeve brushing across a metal door could have touched it off. So the dousing had to be done very carefully, or at least as carefully as time permitted, since a passing car at any point could have caught the criminal(s) in the act. It is even plausible that everything was ready to go at some point, but the perp(s) waited a few minutes to be sure any approaching car headlights passed by before igniting it.
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JMO
ATasteOfHoney posted the above quote over a year ago in January 10,2015. That question has haunted me;but recently DeeDee's posts brought it more in focus. Think about the quote from Ben Chambers in People that added 30 minutes to the burn time on Herron Road! Who better than CVFFCH had opportunity,training,confidence and professional gear to do a controlled burn?Someone who had a background in arsonist/insurance fraud i.e.fire investigation bureaucracy. Who else along with Sheriff Darby responsible for the narrative of crimescene TL. (My opinion only)
I join with ATasteOfHoney in asking:
Indeed,"who is comfortable around fire, iykwim???"
This post is my opinion only.Please do not repost elsewhere unless linked to Webseluths.
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Since you mentioned insurance and fraud, I recall Ben bemoaning his losses not only of a daughter but of a fully insured vehicle which was not being paid for by the insurance company. That struck me as quite odd, since if nothing else, the insurance company should have accepted the arson as a casualty from vandalism (of the worst kind) and covered the loss under comprehensive, mais oui? If they thought Ben had done it, seems like the burden of proof would have been theirs and not his. Any insurance agents out there? Remember that letter written by the Major, in one of his more sober moments, explaining to Ben's insurance company that Ben was not a target of the arson and murder investigation? Almost seems like the standard in insurance fraud cases is guilty until proven innocent.
So does that mean if one of our houses was torched by an arsonist, we would expect the same thing from our homeowner insurance policies -- "We're very sorry, Mssr. Clouseau, but since your house fire was caused by zee malicious mischief of unknown parties, we're afraid you are not covered for your losses. And that goes for your little friend, Cato, too. C'est la vie."
JMO
Since you mentioned insurance and fraud, I recall Ben bemoaning his losses not only of a daughter but of a fully insured vehicle which was not being paid for by the insurance company. That struck me as quite odd, since if nothing else, the insurance company should have accepted the arson as a casualty from vandalism (of the worst kind) and covered the loss under comprehensive, mais oui? If they thought Ben had done it, seems like the burden of proof would have been theirs and not his. Any insurance agents out there? Remember that letter written by the Major, in one of his more sober moments, explaining to Ben's insurance company that Ben was not a target of the arson and murder investigation? Almost seems like the standard in insurance fraud cases is guilty until proven innocent.
So does that mean if one of our houses was torched by an arsonist, we would expect the same thing from our homeowner insurance policies -- "We're very sorry, Mssr. Clouseau, but since your house fire was caused by zee malicious mischief of unknown parties, we're afraid you are not covered for your losses. And that goes for your little friend, Cato, too. C'est la vie."
JMO
Like, Madame MizStery, the TimeLine makes me ullhair: ullhair: ullhair: This is DA John Champion's February press conference, that includes reporter Michael Clark, announcing the new TL. MC, as you may recall, was the one who first discovered the CCTV at M&Ms. Posted by The Commercial Appeal:
[video=youtube;QUiJZiAE_LU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUiJZiAE_LU[/video]
Listen at the 01:35 mark when the DA explains that they know where Jessica was at 6:00 before she arrives in B'ville at 6:15 as she is seen on a photograph from another video source. A private video source could be someone's cellular phone. It was at the private residence, in Courtland, where she stopped after leaving M&Ms!
Maybe it's a known burn/road sodie route? (Backroads used to smoke and drink on). The roads in my area are known to everyone, including LE - they are just encouraged to stay in town bc more drama happens at bars, businesses, and between neighbors than anywhere else :-/ jmoI really want to pick apart when the DA said "got to Batesville" If the video that captured Jessica in Batesville when she got to Batesville do you believe its possible she may have driven South on 51, took a L on McNeely Rd, L on Eureka Rd, then R on Woodland Rd.
I know this seems like the least practical way to get to Batesville from Courtland but I am very curious when I am taking the DA's statement on this was the point of entry to the town. They do not know she came into town from any other location. It makes me wonder who lives along that route.