Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #20

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squareandrabbet said:
Bless, that was a lot of hard work you did... the primary (and maybe sole) problem I have with these speculations is, I can't quite picture Chad thinking of himself as Moroni.

Largely because he doesn't seem to have said nor hinted anything of the kind, which I grant is not the best principle upon which to work; but it seems to me that this is a pretty big chasm to jump, and weird as Chad is, I don't think he thinks he has gone so far as to think of himself as reincarnated Moroni.

IMO, JMO, MOO, of course.
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I think he has though and the OP has documented the links. It is one big power trip for Chad and Lori.
 
Campizi67 said:
I also agree with these points, and would like to add a couple of my own thoughts. There is so much out there in MSM, but the info that is pertinent, IMO, is this "belief system" of theirs, which you mention, and gives major insight into what is going on. (I have added MSM links for reference to where I received my information, see below).

  • CD and LVD are "sealed" to each other through some ritualistic meeting, by Moroni. They also believe that they were already married in other lives.
  1. Moroni according to the Book of Mormon, was the last Nephite prophet, historian, and military commander who lived in the Americas in the late fourth and early fifth centuries
  • CD and LVD are the "Leaders" and are now responsible for gathering the couples for the 144,000.
  • They make charts of who the people are and how many probation's they have had and who they have been in past lives. The 12 apostles are also on this list. (Tammy was once on this list and was noted as once being married to John the beloved who was also Enoch).
  1. Probation's - definition: previous lives
CD and LVD are "responsible" for deciding if a man and a woman might be destined to be together, even if that person is married to someone else. Like multiple probation's, (this is not a Latter-day Saint belief). Within their circle, this appears to be a predominant issue.

CD teaches that people can essentially be reincarnated and live multiple times — and have multiple probations — on earth. (Reincarnation is not accepted Latter-day Saint doctrine.)

An interesting note ...
CDs autobiography states he does not believe in reincarnation.

“He goes out there, but he doesn’t go that far out,” Bertram said. “He’s making some pretty strong assertions, he just knows that there’s a line and he’s going to stay behind that line.”,

BUT.. LVD, however...
The documents indicate LVD reportedly told her now-deceased husband Charles Vallow she is a “reincarnated God” who would “murder him if he got in the way of her mission.”
  1. Starting in February of 2019, Charles Vallow filed for divorce from LVD and requested full custody of JJ. The court filing claims that LVD had "become infatuated and at times obsessive about near-death experiences and spiritual visions."
  2. LVD also allegedly told Charles that "she is sealed (eternally married) to the ancient Book of Mormon prophet Moroni and that she has lived numerous lives on numerous planets prior to this current life."
  3. Weeks before the divorce filing, Charles said LVD told him that "she is a translated being who cannot taste death sent by God to lead the 144,000 into the Millennium.
  4. "The divorce documents allege that Lori believed that Jesus Christ's second coming would happen in July 2020 and only 144,000 would live through it.
  5. Charles also claimed that Lori threatened to kill him if he got in the way of her mission. "I mean imagine what you would do if you had a god speak to you would start feeling a little bit empowered and it looks like that is exactly what happened," Chad Daybell's old missionary friend told Dateline.

At the beginning of CD's autobiography is a dedication to his wife Tammy: “My one and only.”
The autobiography goes on to describe marrying Tammy Daybell at the Manti Temple and working as a grave digger at the same cemetery where she would later be buried.
CD wrote that he believes their five children will have a role to play in the second-coming of Jesus Christ. Many of the characters in his novels are named after his five biological children. This info found shows why his children support him and why they are all still alive.


So it is obvious, that early on, the two shared different core beliefs, this has changed. We see the change in CD after becoming closer to LVD. remember, he had one wife for 30 years. LVD on the other hand, who at 46 years old, has 4 husbands before CD.

The following bits of info, I believe are very important, imo
  • Zombie - CD believes that a person's spirit can be hijacked by an evil spirit. Then the spirit is in limbo.
  1. CD told LVD that Charles Vallow became Ned Snyder and has now become a zombie, his spirit has been hijacked by an evil spirit. His actual spirit is now in limbo. (Ned Snyder?)
  • CD tells Alex that he was an angel that had come and stopped Laman and Lemuel from hurting Nephi and was now Lori's protector.
  1. Laman and Lemuel are the two eldest sons of Lehi and the older brothers of Sam, Nephi, Jacob and Joseph.
  2. Nephi is one of the central figures described in the Book of Mormon. He was the son of Lehi, a propeht, founder of the Nephite people
  • Alex becomes the "hitman" This is immediately before Charles untimely death.
  • Tammy becomes suspicious of CD and LVD's relationship (aware they are taking trips together) and voices this suspicion so,
  1. CD tells LVD that Tammy has become a Zombie. Her spirit has been hijacked. This is before Tammy's untimely death.
  • Then at some point CD declares Alex, Tylee and Kay are all Zombies.
  1. Tylee disappears,
  2. JJ disappears
  3. Alex dies,
  4. Kay however is still alive.

Recap of their beliefs, imo...

If we take these beliefs, and try to sort them out...
1. You are like/a God.
2. You create the chart of chosen people
3. You decide who should be married
4. You then declare the other spouse/children a zombie
5. Once they are declared... their life no longer matters because their actual spirits are in limbo
5. You then file to receive their life insurance $ (because human greed always has a part to play)
6. The cycle continues.


I write all of this to say.....IMO, killing someone who has become a "Zombie" is not a problem, if your core beliefs are these described above. You are above human/earthly laws and you will be reincarnated anyway. "Death is a non-issue" Which can explain CD and LVD's arrogance and non emotion in regard to any of the missing or those that are deceased. "Their end, justifies their means" Again, all IMO.

I would like to add this scripture, not from the Book of Mormon, but the Bible.

1 John 2:15-16 - Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him, because all that is in the world is the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the arrogance produced by material possessions.

Obviously, the core beliefs of this family are off the beaten path, but it is these basic scriptural principles that humans generally struggle with and are the root causes of many bad choices and lifelong problems. IMO





Doomsday writer Chad Daybell based characters in his books on his family. Now people are reading them for clues.

Court docs allege Lori Vallow's niece knows location of 2 missing Idaho children

A look at the religious circle surrounding Chad and Lori Daybell | East Idaho News

FOX 13 Investigates: Do Chad Daybell’s books leave clues about missing Rexburg children?

Deaths, divorce papers and the apocalypse: How police reports and 911 calls detail Lori Vallow's life | ktvb.com

Case of missing children tied to doomsday beliefs, 3 deaths

Moroni (Book of Mormon prophet) - Wikipedia

Moloch - Wikipedia

Does Lori Vallow's niece know where missing Idaho kids are?

Lori Daybell's niece knows where JJ and Tylee are, ex-husband claims in court documents | East Idaho News

Lori Vallow: Tracking the Movements of Idaho Mom Now Under Arrest After Her 2 Kids Went Missing

Missing Idaho Kids' Cousin Knows Where They Are But Won't Help, Ex Says

Laman and Lemuel - Wikipedia

Nephi, son of Lehi - Wikipedia
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I think I can put the majority of this post in the media thread since you have provided links - well done !
 
Christ is Truth said:
Am I the only one that feels like those are crocodile tears?
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I think Annie comes across as authentic and very concerned for Tylee and JJ too. I think her head is spinning and that she has some misgivings about how public and nationwide (worldwide in fact) this story is. It would be very natural to check your words and emotions and worry about your privacy. I appreciate that she is putting herself out there as a family member of Tylee who loves and cares for her.
 
nhmemorymaker said:
I assume you live in Rexburg? Is...like...the whole town into this?? I had asked a person who came on line with who lived in gilbert or chandler AZ and he said...no, he had just heard about it from somewhere, but does not feel it is really abuzz in the air at all.
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Lets talk off group. Ive messaged you.
 
LuC said:
Can you possibly provide a source for this? I am trying to corroborate but can find ziltch, zero, nada in that regards. Is Lori's "brother AC" meant to be Alex or Adam?

At Fox13 I can only find an article about the police and FBI raiding Chad Daybell's home.
Police, FBI serve search warrant at Daybell home

Could you also provide (cite) a source for this (from another of your posts)? This line specifically. When I search the line, the only result that comes up is the Websleuth's post from which I am quoting:

"JM sent a reply text: “Oh wow. Did the Coroner say what was the cause? So you and Lori knew each other already?”
Chad changed his mind about renting from JM (Fox10 Phoenix)."
ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #12

I didn't find it in this Fox10 article:

'Free of the spouses, free of the kids': Parents of missing children applied to move into Hawaii home in November

I hope you understand. You have done an awesome, tremendous job. I am just too persnickety for my own good and I can't stand not being able to corroborate things, especially those things that I am sharing elsewhere.

Best regards
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Bringing this over from the no discussion media thread responding to this post I think ?
ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE* NO DISCUSSION
 
Bazinga said:
I think Annie comes across as authentic and very concerned for Tylee and JJ too. I think her head is spinning and that she has some misgivings about how public and nationwide (worldwide in fact) this story is. It would be very natural to check your words and emotions and worry about your privacy. I appreciate that she is putting herself out there as a family member of Tylee who loves and cares for her.
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Oh, she has the Annielytics site! She definitely cares very much, she put so much work into that site!
 
Christ is Truth said:
Am I the only one that feels like those are crocodile tears?
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Why would you say something like that? Tylee's aunt is not related to Lori. She is the sister of now dead husband #3, Joseph Ryan. Tylee is her biological niece. Her brother is dead, her niece is missing. So again, why would you say something like that?
 
Ohmeohmy said:
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Why did Kauai Co. prosecutors ask for such high bail for Vallow? Document says she’s a flight risk after “she left AZ after witnessing her brother shoot & kill her now deceased husband.” Cites she moved to Idaho & fled to Kauai. Docs: Chad Daybell possessed $152K in bank acct.
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So CD and LVD have blown through almost $300K in less than 4 months.

Wow, wish I had money to blow like that. MOO
 
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