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C'mon, no one is going to kidnap or shoot her. (she will get vibed out to high heaven tho, excuse the pun)Hi Sleuthers, I'm sure others have thought of this, but I will mention it anyway... I worry about Lori getting out of the Rexburg jail for MANY reasons, but I just thought of another one.
- If someone is following her, and kidnaps her, or shoots her, then there goes the main source of info for finding the kids. I'm guessing that Chad knows, and probably Christopher Parrett knows. But still, if I were her, I think I would feel safer staying in my little cell. JMO.
Lori and Chad love themselves so d@#% much, I don’t think they would ever do that!C'mon, no one is going to kidnap or shoot her. (she will get vibed out to high heaven tho, excuse the pun)
She could have a bad ending at her own hand, or abscond, it's true, but I think anything nefarious would be on herself.
The only thing it proves she was still alive on September 8th. And Alex doesn't look to be talking to anybody on his left.
I inserted this photo above directly from the FBI website. I truly believe the photo has been cropped on the right side (Alex side) and also perhaps the top, if you click on the photo, you can see a slim white border on the bottom and the left side, but it is absent from the right, and the top.
I can't find the post right now, but someone upstream also mentioned they think there was someone to Alex's left (perhaps talking with that person) whose identity we don't know...yet.
It may be that there was a fifth person at Yellowstone that day. Someone who left with Tylee.
Another thing that bugs me about the photo above. It doesn't look posed at all. And it's weird for a candid shot. The focus of the photographer does seem to be Tylee. She's the only one looking at the camera. Is this or was this supposed to be some "proof of life" photo for use at a later date?
Hi Sleuthers, I'm sure others have thought of this, but I will mention it anyway... I worry about Lori getting out of the Rexburg jail for MANY reasons, but I just thought of another one.
- If someone is following her, and kidnaps her, or shoots her, then there goes the main source of info for finding the kids. I'm guessing that Chad knows, and probably Christopher Parrett knows. But still, if I were her, I think I would feel safer staying in my little cell. JMO.
C'mon, no one is going to kidnap or shoot her. (she will get vibed out to high heaven tho, excuse the pun)
She could have a bad ending at her own hand, or abscond, it's true, but I think anything nefarious would be on herself.
Epstein did, (unless you think he didn't kill himself) ... Lori does put up an excellent air of "I frankly don't give a damn" persona, and she's got a verified cold heart, but the reality of the situation WILL sink in.Lori and Chad love themselves so d@#% much, I don’t think they would ever do that!
Yeah, right about now it's fixin to be Spring Time, and as such a pretty good time to set up a white tent city, circle the wagons, and protect the damsel in distress. #OrNotI think it safe to say AVOW will protect her and that they well armed. It is, MOO, one of the FBI’s concerns.
Yeah, right about now it's fixin to be Spring Time, and as such a pretty good time to set up a white tent city, circle the wagons, and protect the damsel in distress. #OrNot
Interesting that Sosa has cut off his public and online adventures related to Chad, but Parrett seems much more involved and has posted a couple fully supportive letters, the latest one claiming vindication IIRC. I'm not sure how fast, or if at all, the LDS Church will act on any of this... It's a good question. I tend to think they will bury their head in the sand and ride it out, bad publicity be damned. But it's as offensive as giving Lori her makeup and Chad special parking privileges.The way some of the major players in this whole fringe group are distancing themselves, I'm not sure. But I'm also on the fence. CP though needs to maintain his lifestyle so I'm not sure which way he will eventually go. Will he choose the all powerful temple recommend over his lifestyle? Jmo
Sorry , the lady attorney stated that the children have to be missing for a year? It's only been 6 months..could someone please explain? Thanks..
I think it safe to say AVOW will protect her and that they well armed. It is, MOO, one of the FBI’s concerns.
a bulletproof vest.
Why are they doing this? To prevent someone from trying to free her? And the bulletproof vest in case she gets caught in the cross fire? (too much TV on my part)
I believe I saw a photo of a group in Rexburg holding up signs saying "Where are the children?"
My point was simply that this case is major and has generated a lot of strong feelings, and I think they're just trying to avoid chaos and craziness as much as possible.
It's possible they were advised by the FBI, as much to prevent an escape attempt by AVOW adherents as much as anyone wishing her harm. MOOThat's a good point, and probably the main reason for all the police protection.
I sure noticed the things LEOs are doing to protect Lori ..
- a decoy ride from the airplane to the jail. (Is this typical? I don't watch that many prisoner transports.)
- a bulletproof vest.
Why are they doing this? To prevent someone from trying to free her? And the bulletproof vest in case she gets caught in the cross fire? (too much TV on my part)
I guess that, the more I think about it, if someone in the public were to make a creepy gesture, it would be something more like, spraying her with paint? or pepper spray? Just guessing.
I think it says a great deal Chads family hasn’t pooled it together, because they could have. AVOW could, but I don’t think they will. I don’t think most will put their money where their mouth is. MOOIt's possible they were advised by the FBI, as much to prevent an escape attempt by AVOW adherents as much as anyone wishing her harm. MOO
ETA: Hopefully a moot point, hoping she can't pull in a mil in $ and property to bail out before trial.
I really have to thank Gardener1850 for these timelines that answer so very many questions and details in this case.
Timeline Links (Update 7):
Part I (1968 - 2017)
Part II (Dec 2017 - 10 July 2019)
Part III (11 July 2019)
Part IV (12 July 2019 - 30 Nov 2019)
Part V (December 2019)
Part VI (January 2020)
Part VII (February 2020)
I haven't been here for a long time, but have followed this case from the public information.
Amazing to find that almost everything I know is contained in the timeline.
And it's full of small details that I was not aware of.
For example, that the list of unusual deaths is a bit longer and goes further back than most people seem to know.
(Like LVD's sister and mother of MB(Now MP) apparently died of an insulin overdose)
It would be nice if professionals would comment on the patterns and dysfunctions apparent in this timeline.
It's fairly extensive, but of course not the same as a diagnostic Psych evaluation. Their restraint based on ethics is understandable, yet one could comment with such disclaimers.
Social workers have these maps they make (similar to dna + family trees) that show patterns of dysfunction, incarceration, substance abuse, child abuse, etc. It's rather amazing to see how the habits of an uncle or aunt pop up in a niece, nephew or skip a generation, etc. I'm not a SW or PsychD, but I did work with them for a number of years.
Intelligent people who have not lived in isolation can look at what is going on here and have opinions that may be fairly accurate. There are statistical facts that in may cases here on WS which lean towards one theory or another.
LE Profilers build profiles in part based on that kind of information. To me, that's also part of being a sleuth.
Build theories and then see which ones hold water based on the facts.
The KEY thing is that human beings are creatures of habit. There are always patterns.
So the timeline doesn't have every possible detail about these people.
There is a good record of CD's employment history. I actually had to lookup what a cemetery sexton does.
Nothing against the profession, but I can see why in this case it is brought up in the timeline.
There is a kind of morbidity to this case and CD's employment is one of those many things you sort out as coincidence or think there are just too many coincidences here.
What I did not see was a similar tracking of LVD's employment history.
In a video somewhere I recall it being said that she worked in salons (apparently as a stylist).
Since I'm not a SW or Psych professional, please take the following comment with a grain of salt.
I've learned in multiple ways that there are at least 2 professions that harbor dysfunctional (and dangerous women),
sex workers (including dancers), and stylists. These professions are easy to get into, often pay well - mostly in cash, allow transient people with criminal/dysfunctional/mental histories and/or have curious social networks.
Now, I don't mean to imply that there is anything wrong with the vast majority of hair stylists.
It's just that most salon businesses tends to not ask questions or have a lot of requirements.
It's a people business, where chatting people up and making them feel good is the path to bigger tips.
Ok, moving on... Not a lot of people get married 5 times. It's certainly much more common today to find people married 2 or 3 times, but 5? That's not some kind of flag?
There is a pattern with Kauai, why?
Other than the obvious paradise-like beauty, it's expensive (for most people).
I'm a little bit curious how a hairstylist manages find a series of high earning men who bring her to Kauai.
My gut starts to say gold-digger or con-artist, but that's just my gut.
I'm very curious why (with this emerging picture of LVD as a sociopathic narcissistic delusional con) she and CV would adopt a special needs child. To me, it smacks of someone going out of their way to show how righteous they are, how holy they are, how wonderful they are... because they want to look good. In other words, it seems the type of thing (but over the top) that sociopaths do to make others think they are normal great human beings, when the reality is they are just manipulating.
Why was LVD so enamored with CD?
From my objective view, CD appears to be high IQ, mentally ill in multiple ways (including sociopath).
Is it possible from his writings and appealing to vulnerable people's deep seated anxieties, that LVD sensed her "soul mate"? Or is it just some whimsical fantasy where she seduces another dude?
There are a number of cases where one "lover" convinces another to murder a spouse (or even two).
It's also painfully common to see step-parents abuse (or kill) their step-children while the natural parent does nothing to protect them. Back to the timeline - It is disturbing that CD repeatedly prophecized his healthy wife's coming death.
AxC is clearly a bad dude. The timeline demonstrates that he has zero concern for laws (or is experienced in evading them). Just imagine if his shot at BB had not missed! We have BB's survival to thank to reveal "the cult".
I'm very curious what he was doing at the storage unit so many times.
In at least one case he was putting gun cases in.
So he shoots at BB and this same type of description fits with TD being terrorized by a man with what she thought was an empty paintball gun. Is it just me, or does AxC seem to be acting out a video game?
I was really fascinated that even going back a couple of LVD's husbands that AxC tasered JR and served time for it.
It apparently nearly gave JR a heart attack. Wonder who else AxC tasered? I also wonder if a coroner with a HS education can determine if someone was tasered to death?
My big question on AxC is: Why did he have this lifelong obsession of apparently doing the dirty work for his sister?
I'm very curious what their childhood in San Bernardino was like... Some journalists need to go dig that up.
Considering how they were so easily able to have a pool party after shooting CV to death, I'm convinced that wasn't AxC's first kill.
So BB has been the most vocal about "The Cult".
I was surprised to see in the timeline that LVD, AxC and MB/MP(LVD's neice) all had rented apartments in the same Rexburg complex. Also surprised to see that AxC's sudden marriage to ZP in LV was followed by MB's sudden marriage days later also in LV. With these people's chaotic lives spanning several states, I'm trying to understand how they even had time to find someone bereft of any sense to marry them.
Think about this... not only were people dying, being harassed and shot at...
Children were vanishing and yet there were 3 weddings inside of 2 months.
Ok, it's definitely dysfunctional, criminal, and weird... but who exactly is "The Cult".
CD seems to write books based on his mental illness, and that has a following.
And sure there are other people who make money off of the same industry, so they play together... that's not necessarily a Cult.
As far as I can tell, "The Cult" IS what swirls around LVD.
So that's CD, MP, and who else?
Am I missing something here?
Other things that stand out:
Why was LVD constantly checking with LIFE for a school JJ was withdrawn from?
I'm impressed with the speed of how probate and life Insurance companies were contacted and/or paid out.
Surprised that none of the dead were cremated.
Really want to hear more from BB and his PI on why he is certain MP knows where the missing children are.
Seen a number of posts on blogs that people think the children are with other "family" members.
What other family members?