Spain Spain - Ana Knezevich, 40, from Florida, going through divorce, missing under suspicious circumstances on trip to Madrid, 5 Feb 2024 *Arrest*

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indicolite22 said:
David Knezevich, the husband of the American woman who disappeared in Madrid, refuses to take the polygraph test
www.telecinco.es

David Knezevich, el marido de la mujer estadounidense desaparecida en Madrid, se niega a pasar la prueba del polígrafo

Ana María Knezevich Henao , la mujer estadounidense de origen colombiano a la que se le perdió la pista en Madrid el pasado 2 de febrero de 2024 , c
www.telecinco.es www.telecinco.es
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Not to comment on the test, it is definitely not 100% reliable, but I bet DK’s lawyer advised him not to take it. To me, what is most damning is DK’s unwillingness to go to Madrid.
Does anyone know if DK is still in Serbia?
 
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Charlot123 said:
Not to comment on the test, it is definitely not 100% reliable, but I bet DK’s lawyer advised him not to take it. To me, what is most damning is DK’s unwillingness to go to Madrid.
Does anyone know if DK is still in Serbia?
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Sometimes the polygraph is offered as a litmus test of cooperation. A refusal, even if logical, still speaks for itself.
 
indicolite22 said:
David Knezevich, the husband of the American woman who disappeared in Madrid, refuses to take the polygraph test
www.telecinco.es

David Knezevich, el marido de la mujer estadounidense desaparecida en Madrid, se niega a pasar la prueba del polígrafo

Ana María Knezevich Henao , la mujer estadounidense de origen colombiano a la que se le perdió la pista en Madrid el pasado 2 de febrero de 2024 , c
www.telecinco.es www.telecinco.es
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SMB, translated from this article:

'The National Police and the FBI are working together to understand what happened to [Ana] while the investigation has been passed on to a court specialised in gender violence. Indicators of criminality have been found in the case and her voluntary disappearance has been ruled out.'

'Her husband, David Knezevich, with who she was in the process of a divorce, has refused to take a polygraph test, as Caso Abierto has been able to discover.'

'His lawyer, Ken Padowitz, who in his website says he has 35 years in criminal law, has appeared in various American media outlets to say his client was in Serbia at the time of Ana's disappearance and is collaborating in all possible areas, and that if his client doesn't travel to Spain, it's because he doesn't speak the language, nor have family or friends there. Contrasting this, Amills [Ana's family's lawyer], says. "He doesn't collaborate in terms of information, nor economically, nor morally. The communication is zero and on the occasions where it has occurred, it has been with a threatening tone. Moreover, he has been in Spain on several occasions and it's up to him to come and see first-hand what's playing out."'

"Added to this, it has been revealed that the case has been moved to Court 51, a gender violence court, which means that there is evidence that someone in her inner circle is the main suspect."
 
FacelessPodcast said:
Sometimes the polygraph is offered as a litmus test of cooperation. A refusal, even if logical, still speaks for itself.
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I am not getting into the long list of factors that may make the test inconclusive. However, what with all my view of DK's behavior, I should say, we don't know how he worded the refusal. Most likely, it was simply his lawyer who refused on behalf of his client. However, DK could have provided a valid reason (medications, health condition.) All that the newspapers got was that "he refused".

This being said, I wish Spanish police and FBI successful resolution of the case. I saw a YouTube of Ana posted on her LinkedIn and by my personal opinion, David Knezevich's statement that he was the brains behind their business holds no water at all.
 
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Charlot123 said:
Not to comment on the test, it is definitely not 100% reliable, but I bet DK’s lawyer advised him not to take it. To me, what is most damning is DK’s unwillingness to go to Madrid.
Does anyone know if DK is still in Serbia?
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What type of law does Spain have for incarceration for questioning?

Thinking of the laws in Aruba when Joran and Kalpoe brothers were arrested and released early in disappearance.
 
BuySellTrade said:
What type of law does Spain have for incarceration for questioning?

Thinking of the laws in Aruba when Joran and Kalpoe brothers were arrested and released early in disappearance.
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In Spain, the police can detain you for 72 hours, in which time they have to bring you before a judge who will ultimately decide if you're released, sent to jail pending trial, or released pending a future court appearance. Of course, that's if they're arresting you. If they just want to question you / talk to you, that's a different matter. But this would be moot if the suspect were to be in a separate country in the Balkans.
 
Charlot123 said:
I am not getting into the long list of factors that may make the test inconclusive. However, what with all my view of DK's behavior, I should say, we don't know how he worded the refusal. Most likely, it was simply his lawyer who refused on behalf of his client. However, DK could have provided a valid reason (medications, health condition.) All that the newspapers got was that "he refused".

This being said, I wish Spanish police and FBI successful resolution of the case. I saw a YouTube of Ana posted on her LinkedIn and by my personal opinion, David Knezevich's statement that he was the brains behind their business holds no water at all.
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Agree, rarely would a U.S. attorney want his or her client to take a lie detector test since they aren't reliable and the results are not admissible in a court of law. I am certain DK's attorney advised his client not to take the test which would be administered by the FBI.

EBM
 
Sundog said:
Agree, rarely would a U.S. attorney want his or her client to take a lie detector test since they aren't reliable and the results are not admissible in a court of law. I am certain DK's attorney advised his client not to take the test which would be administered by the FBI.

EBM
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Yeah for sure. Like I say, even if it’s the logical response, it’s still symbolic.
 
FacelessPodcast said:
If they just want to question you / talk to you, that's a different matter. But this would be moot if the suspect were to be in a separate country in the Balkans.
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Whether in the Balkans or in the United States, it would be difficult for Spanish investigators to talk with DK, and of course it would have to be voluntary on the part of DK and his attorney. Given the way the media has portrayed DK (rightly or wrongly), it is unlikely that this would happen. For now, I think LE has access to DK's attorney regardless of the location of DK's current residency.

Back to the lie detector issue, it does seem odd to me that a person would take a lie detector test with the FBI regarding a crime that may have occurred in another country. Sounds like something to avoid, IMO. Different countries, laws, proceedings, etc.
 
Sundog said:
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Whether in the Balkans or in the United States, it would be difficult for Spanish investigators to talk with DK, and of course it would have to be voluntary on the part of DK and his attorney. Given the way the media has portrayed DK (rightly or wrongly), it is unlikely that this would happen. For now, I think LE has access to DK's attorney regardless of the location of DK's current residency.

Back to the lie detector issue, it does seem odd to me that a person would take a lie detector test with the FBI regarding a crime that may have occurred in another country. Sounds like something to avoid, IMO. Different countries, laws, proceedings, etc.
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It's not just any person. It's Ana's husband.
 
kaya3627 said:
It's not just any person. It's Ana's husband.
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This is a couple who were going through a divorce and the wife left the country to live abroad. It seems that they both had made the decision to go their separate ways. So it actually is more like AK's ex-husband, even though it wasn't formalized yet through divorce proceedings.

Given the circumstances, his attorney's advice to not take a lie detector test sounds like a sound decision, especially since the disappearance of AK took place in a foreign country with different laws, legal processes, etc.
 
Sundog said:
This is a couple who were going through a divorce and the wife left the country to live abroad. It seems that they both had made the decision to go their separate ways. So it actually is more like AK's ex-husband, even though it wasn't formalized yet through divorce proceedings.

Given the circumstances, his attorney's advice to not take a lie detector test sounds like a sound decision, especially since the disappearance of AK took place in a foreign country with different laws, legal processes, etc.
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I agree that his lawyer would insist that going to Spain would be against his own best interests, and that is why someone hires a lawyer, to look after your own best interests.

IMO, as the soon-to-be ex-husband, he's obviously the prime suspect no matter what he does. There is no possible script he can act out that would, under any circumstances, absolve him from the role of prime suspect in the currently, entirely fictional whodunit that people are creating in their heads.

If he went to Spain, the Spanish media would photograph him and hound him for comments, and the reaction would be 'how brazen!' 'what an obvious liar!', 'He doesn't look broken-hearted enough', 'he's just acting the part, those aren't real tears!', etc etc etc.

He'd just be more fodder for tabloid melodrama.

He doesn't have prove anything to anyone by acting out a part. He doesn't have a fan club who he has to please, he doesn't have to worry that people will stop buying his products, or stop voting for him, or camp out in front of his house holding up handwritten signs for the cameras.

People can hate on him all they want, it doesn't affect him one iota. It's only the police investigation that matters. That's just reality, like it or not.

JMO
 
Sundog said:
According to the article, AK's brother states that the FBI told him that it isn't the case that authorities in Spain found biological remains in AK's apartment.
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As I’ve stated several times earlier in the thread, Cuomo has almost certainly misunderstood the Spanish (not for the first time). Remains = closer to “remnants” in this context. Which is why he makes the rather dense assumption that the report is somehow talking about a body without a body.

And with all respect to whatever the FBI said to Felipe Henao, if no physical evidence of violence had been found, how would it be possible for the case to be switched over to a gender violence court? That won’t have been done randomly. As such, I would argue it’s almost certainly the case that there are biological remnants in that apartment.
 
Cedars said:
I agree that his lawyer would insist that going to Spain would be against his own best interests, and that is why someone hires a lawyer, to look after your own best interests.

IMO, as the soon-to-be ex-husband, he's obviously the prime suspect no matter what he does. There is no possible script he can act out that would, under any circumstances, absolve him from the role of prime suspect in the currently, entirely fictional whodunit that people are creating in their heads.

If he went to Spain, the Spanish media would photograph him and hound him for comments, and the reaction would be 'how brazen!' 'what an obvious liar!', 'He doesn't look broken-hearted enough', 'he's just acting the part, those aren't real tears!', etc etc etc.

He'd just be more fodder for tabloid melodrama.

He doesn't have prove anything to anyone by acting out a part. He doesn't have a fan club who he has to please, he doesn't have to worry that people will stop buying his products, or stop voting for him, or camp out in front of his house holding up handwritten signs for the cameras.

People can hate on him all they want, it doesn't affect him one iota. It's only the police investigation that matters. That's just reality, like it or not.

JMO
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So if he cooperated with the Spanish police, it would seriously make no difference?

Also, with respect, what are you basing your characterisation of the Spanish media on?
 
FacelessPodcast said:
So if he cooperated with the Spanish police, it would seriously make no difference?
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Difference to what? Difference to whom? What do you mean by 'cooperate'?

If you're talking about a polygraph test, the results are so unreliable they aren't allowed as evidence in court in the US, nor I believe, Spain. They're used as a way to try to trick and manipulate someone, so I'd never cooperate on that either.

In terms of Spanish media, I was more talking about English language media that would hire photographers/ journalists in Spain, as one predictably sees in the Daily Mail, etc.

JMO
 
Cedars said:
Difference to what? Difference to whom? What do you mean by 'cooperate'?

If you're talking about a polygraph test, the results are so unreliable they aren't allowed as evidence in court in the US, nor I believe, Spain. They're used as a way to try to trick and manipulate someone, so I'd never cooperate on that either.

In terms of Spanish media, I was more talking about English language media that would hire photographers/ journalists in Spain, as one predictably sees in the Daily Mail, etc.

JMO
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“Difference to what? Difference to whom? What do you mean by 'cooperate'?”

To the perception that there is no possible script he can act out that would, under any circumstances, absolve him from the role of prime suspect.

And in terms of cooperation with the Spanish police, I’m not talking about the polygraph. I’m referring to him talking to them on any level, answering their questions. So far, his cooperation with the Policía Nacional has been “zero” according to the family lawyer.

As for the Daily Mail, yes. Far be it from me to defend them in any shape or form…
 
Cedars said:
SBM:

IMO, as the soon-to-be ex-husband, he's obviously the prime suspect no matter what he does.
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Peddling back to my previous post quoting Telecinco:

"Added to this, it has been revealed that the case has been moved to Court 51, a gender violence court, which means that there is evidence that someone in her inner circle is the main suspect."

I’m not saying that a braying tabloid culture that hangs innocents for clicks should be fomented irrespective of facts. And of course, innocence is presumed up until the gavel drops. But I don’t think it’s a fair characterisation of the situation to suggest this is some melodramatic choose-your-own-adventure. JMO
 
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