Identified! CA - Isleton, Fem Skeletal 627UFCA, 30-50, blue 'Delta Fire' hoodie, Mar'08 - Shannon Vielguth (aka Judkins, Hutchings and Joyce)

[webrocket]

here is the Namus link for the UID:

https://identifyus.org/cases/2360

they have the date she was found to be March 29, not March 30. No facial reconstrucion is listed here, nor is there any reference to the frog being on the necklace.

only one rule-out is listed too, and that is Patricia Schmidt.

 

[Donjeta]

They have added a few exclusions but no Jonne Boe.

Michelle Benjamin 1972 Pennsylvania
Tina D'Ambrosio 1961 Arizona
Bonnie Kelly 1962 Illinois
Sherry Milton 1979 Alabama
Patricia Schmidt 1964 Virginia
Rachel Yates

 

[Ambercat]

The necklace and the shirt are either going to be the big clues in this case or either turn out to be "red herrings" so to speak.

I say this only because if the shirt was given to members of the "Delta Fire Crew", it is possible that one of the members donated it to a charity, where our UID could have obtained it. I will say that the likelihood of that is small, but it is still possible. Same thing with the "Greatful Dead" jacket. Wonder if there are any photos of the actual jacket that are available. It could help us narrow down a time frame as to when the UID could have gotten it, maybe someone would even recognize the sweatshirt/jacket being worn in combination together.

Also, the necklace is similar to ones I have seen sold over the years at places like Claire's Boutique and Hot Topix. Although, I don't really recall seeing very many necklaces with frogs on them, I am sure if one wanted on, it wouldn't be that hard to find. Is this a necklace that LE can say is pretty unique ( to the point where it was hand made or made exclusively for a certin chain of stores to sell) or just unsual enough to be remembered, even if widely available?

To, me the necklace looks like something that they sell at a place called California Seashell Company in Seal Beach, CA. I think I have seen it (or something extremely close) there at some point. That doesn't mean that they don't sell it other places as well.

 

[Snoopster]

Detectives are pushing for more public help on this case. Here is a recent news video where LE are showing some of the evidence they have. In addition to the Grateful Dead jacket and the Delta Fire Crew shirt, they show a tiny sword/dagger shaped item (possibly had been attached to a necklace?), more of the 'hand-made' jewellrey, her hiking boots and a large Oakland Raiders blanket, (black with white graphics -- looks like fleece on the video).

http://www.kcra.com/video/28831153/detail.html

Here is a link to the you tube version of the video, in case the above link doesn't work:
http://youtu.be/VzzlqxlOj0U

 

[Helper]

Skeletal remains of a female found by a fisherman on March 29, 2008. Estimated year of death: 2004. Body found in the 17000 block of Tyler Island Road in Sacramento County. She was wearing a Delta Fire Crew sweatshirt, Grateful Dead jacket and jeans. She wore various items of jewelry including a beaded necklace with a crouching frog. http://coroner.saccounty.net/unID-08-1866.htm

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Bridget Pendell-Williamson went missing in 1997 to follow the Grateful Dead around the country, so she was a fan. She was 5'5-5'7 so the height matches. She was 23 when she went missing, making her 31 in 2004, when the Jane Doe is assumed to be killed. However, if she's true she was working as a prostitute and homeless, she would definitely look older than 31. There were apparent sightings of her until 2004. San Francisco is only an hour and a half from Sacramento.

Since the Jane Doe was completely skeletonized, does that mean they wouldn't be able to tell if she had any tattoos? Bridget had a lot of tattoos, and it says that the Jane Doe doesn't have any, or do they not know for sure?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pendell-williamson_bridget.html

 

[Cubby]

:bump:

 

[CarlK90245]

Bridget Pendell-Williamson went missing in 1997 to follow the Grateful Dead around the country, so she was a fan. She was 5'5-5'7 so the height matches. She was 23 when she went missing, making her 31 in 2004, when the Jane Doe is assumed to be killed. However, if she's true she was working as a prostitute and homeless, she would definitely look older than 31. There were apparent sightings of her until 2004. San Francisco is only an hour and a half from Sacramento.

Since the Jane Doe was completely skeletonized, does that mean they wouldn't be able to tell if she had any tattoos? Bridget had a lot of tattoos, and it says that the Jane Doe doesn't have any, or do they not know for sure?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pendell-williamson_bridget.html

There isn't a real sharp photo of Bridget's teeth, but from what I can see, the upper-lateral incisors don't appear to diverge like Jane Doe's do.

To answer your question about tattoos, from what I can tell, the remains were completely skeletal, so we probably wouldn't be able to verify the tattoos.

 

[CherBearSTL]

How about Stacy Lynn Carson?

 

[CherBearSTL]

This is an interesting find. Alice Ann Lopez is shown in her photo wearing the exact same lip piercing that was found with the UID. She is within the age range. Location is within reason.

Lip/Belly Button Ring

 

[CarlK90245]

How about Stacy Lynn Carson?

Stacy's teeth are severely crooked. Much more out of line than the UID's teeth.

This is an interesting find. Alice Ann Lopez is shown in her photo wearing the exact same lip piercing that was found with the UID. She is within the age range. Location is within reason.

Here's Alice's Charley page:
Alice Ann Lopez
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lopez_alice.html

That is interesting. But it says that "one of her front teeth are missing", and from the photo, it appears that the missing tooth is her upper-left lateral incisor (#10). The UID has all of her front teeth from #6 through #11.

The Jane Doe is missing upper bicuspids on both sides (i.e., #5 & #12). There's a remote possibility that her upper-left-front teeth shifted back to close the gap between #11 and #13, thereby creating a gap between #9 and #10 that looks like a missing #10. But I doubt that this is the case. It does appear that this is a missing tooth, and not a gap.

 

[CherBearSTL]

That is interesting. But it says that "one of her front teeth are missing", and from the photo, it appears that the missing tooth is her upper-left lateral incisor (#10). The UID has all of her front teeth from #6 through #11.

The Jane Doe is missing upper bicuspids on both sides (i.e., #5 & #12). There's a remote possibility that her upper-left-front teeth shifted back to close the gap between #11 and #13, thereby creating a gap between #9 and #10 that looks like a missing #10. But I doubt that this is the case. It does appear that this is a missing tooth, and not a gap.

I agree with you on this. That was the one thing that didn't really match for me. I suppose the dentals could be wrong on the UID. I really hate to pass up the possibility considering she's not on the ruleouts. I started looking for missing people that had lip and/or tongue piercings because I noticed the piercing in the pictures of items found with the UID.

Another thing that I found interesting was that one site has the UID listed as hispanic while the other says, "European with an unknown component of Asian and African admixture." So, which is it??????? :waitasec:

 

[scrambledeggs]

What about Jennifer Wilkerson?

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/630/8/

Has a lip piercing and looks like she wears a bit of jewelery in her photos. Timeline is ok but she's from Texas.

 

[CarlK90245]

What about Jennifer Wilkerson?

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/630/8/

Has a lip piercing and looks like she wears a bit of jewelery in her photos. Timeline is ok but she's from Texas.

Her teeth look pretty straight compared to those on the recon, IMO.

 

[webrocket]

I was going to go on a rant about Jonne Ann Boe being an obvious choice for this UID. she probably is the UID with the frog connection.

there is no Namus page for Boe and there is nothing at Charley Project to indicate whether there was any DNA or dentals available for her. so we have one of these many MPs where there are no identifiers.

I took a look at ancestry.com and from what I can see, Jonne was an only child. this does not mean her mother did not have any children from any other marriages, just that she had no full blooded siblings.

 

[kpdx]

Looks like Jonne was ruled out on another CA (https://identifyus.org/cases/7037) Doe, so hopefully that means despite no NAMUS Jonne is being compared to UIDs.

Another note on Kathy LaMadrid possible, she is wearing a Raiders hat in a couple of her pictures and I noted that the new info on Doe for UID states she was wrapped in a Raiders blanket. I realize its not that big of a deal for the area, but still...

Also, Kathy was known to wear baggy clothes, jewelry and rumors that circulated after her death, in several versions, have her being disposed of by fire.

In other interesting side note, recent articles revealed the Delta Crew 5 and others like it is actually a male inmate workforce for non violent offenses (mostly drug related).

 

[webrocket]

there is a NAMPN profile for Jonne Ann Boe. nothing there indicates identifiers. I wonder how they ruled out Jonne as a match for the UID you mentioned KPDX, especially since there were only body parts found there. maybe it was that Jonne was blonde and that UID had dark brown hair?

http://www.nampn.org/cases/boe_jonne_a.html

 

[CarlK90245]

Jonne has a Charley page too. But very scant on details here too.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/boe_jonne.html

Perhaps she has an identifier (e.g., tattoo, birthmark, scar, etc.) on the arm or leg (unmentioned in Charley or NAMPN) that might have been the basis for the rule-out.

Usually the names on the NamUs rule-out lists are people who have NamUs MP casefiles. Maybe she has a NamUs casefile that set to non-public.

 

[CarlK90245]

This is an interesting find. Alice Ann Lopez is shown in her photo wearing the exact same lip piercing that was found with the UID. She is within the age range. Location is within reason.

Lip/Belly Button Ring

Here's Alice's Charley page:
Alice Ann Lopez
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lopez_alice.html

That is interesting. But it says that "one of her front teeth are missing", and from the photo, it appears that the missing tooth is her upper-left lateral incisor (#10). The UID has all of her front teeth from #6 through #11.

The Jane Doe is missing upper bicuspids on both sides (i.e., #5 & #12). There's a remote possibility that her upper-left-front teeth shifted back to close the gap between #11 and #13, thereby creating a gap between #9 and #10 that looks like a missing #10. But I doubt that this is the case. It does appear that this is a missing tooth, and not a gap.

Alice Lopez's NamUs Casefile (MP 1272) is now classified as "FOUND".
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/1272/0

But this UID's NamUs casefile is still open,
https://identifyus.org/cases/2360

 

[sidneyia]

Judging from the shape of the jewelry, I think we're more likely to be looking for someone with a tongue piercing (which unfortunately won't be obvious in a photo) rather than a lip piercing. Wearing a barbell like that, rounded on both ends, in a lip piercing for any length of time would cause serious irritation to the gums and teeth. Jewelry that's made for lips is flat on the back.