Canada - Laura Babcock, 23, Toronto, 26 June 2012

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The way I see it, if she hasn't been IDed she doesn't exist. Who is the girlfriend that patiently stood by while DM took other girls on sailing trips?

Hey redneck .. good to see you here :)

At DM's May 15 court appearance when the publication ban was ordered, Susan Clairmont of The Spectator tweeted

Millard's girlfriend may be an important witness in this case, says Crown.

http://livenews.thestar.com/Event/Tim_Bosma_Suspect_Dellen_Millard_makes_court_appearance

We don't know for sure who she is or in what timeframes she is supposed to have been his gf, or if she is one and the same as the "fiancé" at the Rosehill property viewing, or one of the girls on the sailboat trip, or a gf at the time of Tim's disappearance.
 
The way I see it, if she hasn't been IDed she doesn't exist. Who is the girlfriend that patiently stood by while DM took other girls on sailing trips?

or she could be on the do not contact list, which would also put her in the publication ban.

JMO...I don't think there was a fiancé.
 
JMO...I don't think there was a fiancé.

I agree. I think it was a paid escort to give credibility to the purchase of the land to build a house, when in fact the purpose of the land purchase was to satisfy his blood lust and dispose of bodies. Hilly terrain, isolated location, he couldn’t have picked a better place.

If I showed up with a girl who was not my fiancé, and introduced her as such, the only way she wouldn't object is if she were paid. DM paid for every other relationship he had. Why not this one? Susan Clairmont's comments should like musings to me. I love her writing, but sometimes those musings might get away on her.
 
or she could be on the do not contact list, which would also put her in the publication ban.

JMO...I don't think there was a fiancé.

I agree flip. The feeling I get is that DM doesn't have deep, lasting connections. His life seems to be documented more in activities and acquisitions, male friends, but not so much female friendships. Wouldn't be surprised he isn't capable of loving anyone but himself.

MOO, and don't really have anything to back it up ... just a gut feel.
 
Hi
I am a newbe but have followed this from day one, my reasoning is maybe lb kept pestering dm for drugs and he didn't respond until she threatened him with everything she knew...ie. Chop shop..drugs. ??? Any thoughts.

I have been thinking exactly the same thing. She would have known that DM had money, as she had been to his home and treated to gifts as his friend. I don't think he ever loved her.

I believe she was desperate to change her life (from sex escort) and needed help (she was too ashamed to turn to family), she begged him to help her: in desperation (and from knowing him for several years) she blurted out everything she knew from what was rumoured among friends, but she had no solid proof. ((my only other thought is that she contacted Wayne and told him about all the rumours. Then DM knocks her off.))

Or DM, selfish as he is, has planned a trip to Europe to be with other spoiled brat rich friends. So he gives her the song and dance, sends her drugs and leaves her in a horrible neighbourhood, just like her ex-boyfriend did. (questions why would he leave her in a druggie zone)

Now the pimps and dealers devour her...she has to prostitute to repay her drug usage or john kills her or etc. Her body could be in any landfill sight across the border. Did the cops do a hunt / intensive interviews in the neighbourhood she last lived in?

My only other hope is that she has run away and never wants to be found, till she is ready.
 
Or DM, selfish as he is, has planned a trip to Europe to be with other spoiled brat rich friends. So he gives her the song and dance, sends her drugs and leaves her in a horrible neighbourhood, just like her ex-boyfriend did. (questions why would he leave her in a druggie zone)

I don't understand why so many people insist on criticizing the ex-boyfriend.

What more do you want from the guy? I'm sure he would have sent her home or to the Best Western in a better neighburhood if that had been an option. The choice of hotel was probably made for many reasons.

Please oh please can we leave SL alone. He's been nothing but a loyal friend.

And he's my freaking hero and nominee for best ex-boyfriend ever.
 
Thinking of relationships, I just remembered something .. that pic of Laura with SL and DM taken at Medieval Times was supposedly after SL and LB split. Can't find the pic on google images, but iirc, LB was beside SL and turned towards him, and there was another female between LB and DM. SL said the 3 of them went back to DM's condo afterwards.

Although I don't think DM was all that into relationships, there might still have been jealousy about any affection shown between SL and Laura
 
Hi
I am a newbe but have followed this from day one, my reasoning is maybe lb kept pestering dm for drugs and he didn't respond until she threatened him with everything she knew...ie. Chop shop..drugs. ??? Any thoughts.

Welcome petes !!

I've thought along those lines too ... desperate times, desperate measures. DM had a lot to lose, and people who put themselves in that kind of position certainly leave themselves open to blackmail.

Come to think of it, if LB had a "normal" relationship with DM, why wasn't he looking for her? I think one or two of his friends commented about wondering where she was. When did their relationship end, or have we ever heard about them actually splitting up?
 
Lots and lots of male friends and not many women around.

First I think he was super, super, emotionally immature, as he had all the toys that money can buy an emerging boy to man. The fast cars, planes, properties, travel, drugs, wild parties and money; everything a young person dreams of giving you a perfect life, he had wanted to enjoy.

Most of his friends are younger than he is, which does suggest he wasn't into growing up to quickly. And they most likely admired false glitter as much as he did.

His relations with women appear to be for his own sexual gratification or to impress friends. Another sign of immaturity as he could not select a female friend based on his own sense of values. They had to be drug addicted or girls that sell their bodies in exchange for superficial acceptance. Plastic connections.

Killing Tim Bosma was probably the only real thing he ever felt in his life.

As the women he associated with were empty beautiful shells with no goals in life just like him. Birds of feather flock together.

His boy/male friends allowed him to feel an adult, in control, and forever justified in seeking adventures and new experiences: but gave him no direction.

Thing is he F'd up, when he chose to venture into the world of crime. To leave the safety of trust funds, and false job titles that paid him well. He sought out a more real world of thief and murder to balance his life of easy living and privilege just for the high of knowing what it was like to feel alive.

That's my opinion.
 

So she was in a pet-friendly hotel but basically abandoned her dog at her parents' place. Was she moving on to somewhere she couldn't have her dog? What other reasons might there be for her to make the decision to leave the dog behind? (i.e. money, travel, suicide)??

ETA: Her pet was initially important enough to her that she ended up in less than stellar accommodation, so I find it strange that she would turn around and leave it.
 
ETA: Her pet was initially important enough to her that she ended up in less than stellar accommodation, so I find it strange that she would turn around and leave it.

She was unstable. She probably wanted to believe she could get her dog back, but reality got in the way. the choice of hotel fed her illusions.
 
I punched “escort board” into google, and it turns out that there is a local board sp411.com that is a discussion forum for men who consider visiting escorts their hobby. A similar board is caerf.com and my preliminary reading lead me to believe there is a “redboard” forum as well, but I didn’t find it. I’m a very poor sleuth. There are also multiple places for escort girls to publish profiles of themselves and for john’s to review them. Many of these pages link to adds on Backpages.

If LB was an escort for any length of time, she must have advertised in or been reviewed in these forums. Much more interesting to me is the possibility that DM was participating in these forums. I don’t know the handles he used for gaming, but I’ll be amazed if he doesn’t have an internet profile in the escorting arena. I just don’t know how to find it. That’s up to you real sleuths.

The redboard is terb.ca. What are some usernames DM was using on his gaming sites?
 
gee I don't have a clue as to what names he used......others here probably do though...
 
gee I don't have a clue as to what names he used......others here probably do though...

If we can find out some names he used, maybe we could see if that name is over on some of these "review" boards.

So DireNeed or Dell. Thanks.

This is gonna take time. Good night.
 
If we can find out some names he used, maybe we could see if that name is over on some of these "review" boards.

folks here at WS are amazing and soon you should have some usernames floating your way......
 
If we can find out some names he used, maybe we could see if that name is over on some of these "review" boards.

So DireNeed or Dell. Thanks.

new one for you

DIR3N33D
 
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