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Where is the wiKKed witch? Will Oct. bring her?
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RIP Kelsey. You did not deserve this.
RIP Kelsey. You did not deserve this.
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My concern is that she won't just wreck the case against PF. My bigger concern is the looming child custody battle. Lying to the FBI is a federal crime. Sending those fraudulent text messages impersonating KB also a federal crime.
Even if it was KB's blood, where is the proof PF placed the blood there?
I think he will plead not guilty. Unless it’s another Chris Watts and I don’t think so. He sure has a fight against him.May 24, 2019 - Friday
Inmate #: 2018001543
- PF - Arraignment - 8:30 am
Booking #: 18-02029
Case #: D602018CR330
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IF it happened at all the way KK said. And that is a BIG IF.On the face of it, she clearly has credibility issues.
She lied to the FBI, she’s admitted to attempting to kill Kelsey on three occasions, and she’s in a relationship with the defendant.
She also admitted to cleaning a bloody crime scene, which is beyond grotesque.
And let’s not forget the fact that she knew Kelsey was going to be killed, and did nothing to prevent it.
The evidence appears to corroborate her account though, and that’s what matters.
Even if the jury discounts much of what she says, she still provides clarity to the rest of the evidence:
Where the crime happened. How it happened. How the deception went down. The solicitation attempts. The storage site. The burn site.
Countless trials have resulted in convictions, based almost entirely on the account of cooperating witnesses.
People who are criminals themselves.
This one has a hell of a lot more evidence, based on the deception that PF wanted to carry out.
Those cell phone records, that footage of him returning to Kelsey’s house; the lies to Doss, law enforcement, and CB.
Not to mention any physical evidence.
That’s why I’m not worried.
I'm SO conflicted on this. My "bad" self wants him to plead "not guilty" because I'd like to see the RQ aka KK exposed. I believe she is so very guilty of much more than what she's letting on and formally charged with. I know, we ALL know that, but I have a feeling she is morally bankrupt and fully wanted KB dead for her own selfish reasons, she just didn't want to do it herself. On that count she is a miniscule bit smarter than PF. Oh, and I'd like to hear what Ma F has to sayI’m fully anticipating that nothing unexpected is going to occur, and that he’s going to plead not guilty.
I’m rooting for the opposite though.
I think we could all pretty much agree with you on all counts.I'm SO conflicted on this. My "bad" self wants him to plead "not guilty" because I'd like to see the RQ aka KK exposed. I believe she is so very guilty of much more than what she's letting on and formally charged with. I know, we ALL know that, but I have a feeling she is morally bankrupt and fully wanted KB dead for her own selfish reasons, she just didn't want to do it herself. On that count she is a miniscule bit smarter than PF. Oh, and I'd like to hear what Ma F has to say
Yet, if that creature PF had any conscience he should do the right thing and plead guilty to save KB's family the pain of living through a trial and wasting the county's resources. My better self thinks I should hope for this, and forget about KK. I can't imagine she has much of a life right now anyway, but even that ticks me off because KB has no life, literally. As well, if there is any justice at all, she will serve some time. I hope that's part of the plea deal, minimum 18 months. I'm probably dreamin', I know
We must agree to disagree on whether or not KK participated in the murder. Unless PF's defence attorney has some kind of "nuclear" bombshell to unload, I just can't take that leap with the evidence available to us at this point. Did she conspire? I believe absolutely. She was not an unwilling/fearful participant in this heinous crime. It was not just because PF told her lies about KB. She was jealous, pathologically so, IMHO. Of course, there could be other reasons as well? Looking forward to Friday, hoping there are NO MORE delays and we get to know if we'll be waiting around for months, possibly years, for a lengthy trial. All just MOO!I think we could all pretty much agree with you on all counts.
I’m just not persuaded that she didn’t do this herself. That may go against the grain here.
If PF committed the crime alone, it would be a fine day if he stood up and said so and took the sentence the judge hands down.
But in real life, they are both cowards. He will fight.
And she will go on with her life. She has lots of family in CO. She can reinvent herself. Not everyone knows about this crime or are they interested in her life. She is one fine specimen let me say. She either planned this crime or conspired to help PF commit the crime, no thought given to her children and their future. No thought given to her family’s reputation. Just jealousy and selfishness. And she has gotten away with whatever she did with a slap on the wrist, so to speak.
I am hoping that through the trial we will get to know KB better. KB has been lost here. Who was she? What were her dreams? We aren’t one hundred percent sure what happened to her. There is no body.
We pray for good evidence. But what we DO have is the word of a liar, a cheat, a conspirator and maybe the killer.
Right.
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Nobody likes KK here.
Nobody here is interested in defending KK's actions, or inactions, r/t KB's murder.
Everybody here thinks KK is a terrible, awful, vile, hideous, despicable creature.
KK ain't winning any popularity contests on this here thread. Period.
Having said that, PF murdered KB.
Repeating for emphasis:
PF murdered KB.
Violently and gruesomely.
With a baseball bat.
PF is going on trial for the murder of KB.
Not KK.
Because PF is the one who swung the bat.
At KB's head.
To the extent that the focus of blame is shifted onto KK (the non-wielder of the bat),
it's not only unproductive in terms of helping to achieve a successful conviction in PF's case:
Frankly, it's counter-productive.
PF needs to be held fully accountable for this brutal murder.
He's all too used to having the women in his life take responsibility for him.
This is what he does. Get women to take responsibility.
Others may fall for it.
I ain't gonna'.
Continuing to make KK the focus of blame harms the prosecution's efforts to hold PF to account.
I'm not interested in helping the defense by trying to concoct scenarios where KK is the guilty party.
PF is the one going on trial.
KK is the one who made a deal.
Them's just the facts.
JMO.
Part of the problem is that Prosecutors have much evidence that investigators found linking pf bc of what kk told them and directed them to. That will give her credibility with a jury.
You add in all the dumb and deceitful things that pf did on his own accord and the case becomes much clearer.
Kk will be very well coached on how to present her answers at trial and to stick to the hard facts of the case.
It’s not near as much of a toss up case like many choose to see it as. PF did way too much damage to his own story for that to be the case.
One untruth by a defendant, maybe can be overlooked by a jury. But in this case you have multiple lies told by PF, many that are very easily disproved.
Jmo
Yes. It's not a toss up at all. Because we can't place KK at the murder scene when logically we know KB was killed. She didn't arrive until a couple days later, on the 24th.
But we can place PF there, he lied about his whereabouts that day and after KB was last seen alive, her phone and his phone are in tandem, traveling with him.
You can't kill someone from two states over unless you pay another to do so.
Yah I absolutely get why we all want to place kk at KB’s on thanksgiving, heck I’d love nothing more to place her and PF both there!
But I feel that investigators have evidence that actually definitely places kk somewhere else
We may not all agree, but I can definitely see why one would want to try to see kk put right beside PF. Heck I want that too, but it’s just not rational, its only fantasy at this point , wishful thinking etc to think there is even a sliver of possibility of that to happen
PF was the driving force, that i absolutely will not waiver on
We must agree to disagree on whether or not KK participated in the murder. Unless PF's defence attorney has some kind of "nuclear" bombshell to unload, I just can't take that leap with the evidence available to us at this point. Did she conspire? I believe absolutely. She was not an unwilling/fearful participant in this heinous crime. It was not just because PF told her lies about KB. She was jealous, pathologically so, IMHO. Of course, there could be other reasons as well? Looking forward to Friday, hoping there are NO MORE delays and we get to know if we'll be waiting around for months, possibly years, for a lengthy trial. All just MOO!
We won't know about the teeth on Friday, but I really don't think they're linked to KB. I know it's weird to keep adult molars but if they are clean and white, they don't belong to KB. Some dental surgeon gave them to the patient JMOI agree with you that KK conspired. I think one of the key pieces of evidence will be the adult teeth seized with the SW at the ranch and whether they are KB's. Is PF really that dumb (and sick) to keep his victim's DNA souvenirs at his house yet he was smart enough to know a cell-phone text message from another state would delay the investigation?
Hopefully, we'll know more Friday.
JMO
I'm SO conflicted on this. My "bad" self wants him to plead "not guilty" because I'd like to see the RQ aka KK exposed. I believe she is so very guilty of much more than what she's letting on and formally charged with. I know, we ALL know that, but I have a feeling she is morally bankrupt and fully wanted KB dead for her own selfish reasons, she just didn't want to do it herself. On that count she is a miniscule bit smarter than PF. Oh, and I'd like to hear what Ma F has to say
Yet, if that creature PF had any conscience he should do the right thing and plead guilty to save KB's family the pain of living through a trial and wasting the county's resources. My better self thinks I should hope for this, and forget about KK. I can't imagine she has much of a life right now anyway, but even that ticks me off because KB has no life, literally. As well, if there is any justice at all, she will serve some time. I hope that's part of the plea deal, minimum 18 months. I'm probably dreamin', I know
We won't know about the teeth on Friday, but I really don't think they're linked to KB. I know it's weird to keep adult molars but if they are clean and white, they don't belong to KB. Some dental surgeon gave them to the patient JMO
I agree. He’s about as incompetent a killer as there has ever been, but he wouldn’t have kept something that implicated him like that.I'm more inclined to think it was a single extraction due to overcrowding I don't think KK was trying to frame PF, after all she attempted to kill KB three times herself so she could spend the rest of her charmed life with that monster I wish I could find the green vomit emoji I have on my phone Just MOO
What we still don't know is whether the monster wanted to spend the rest of his life with her.I'm more inclined to think it was a single extraction due to overcrowding I don't think KK was trying to frame PF, after all she attempted to kill KB three times herself so she could spend the rest of her charmed life with that monster I wish I could find the green vomit emoji I have on my phone Just MOO