Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #5

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  1. PommyMommy

    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

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    If it is true (don't know which reporting to believe at this point), my gut tells me that she was trying to leave. It makes sense with what he said her last words to him were, which was that she was going to a friend's house.
     
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  2. gregjrichards

    gregjrichards Well-Known Member

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    I agree I think these will be the charges. Do you think prosecutors will seek the death penalty or LWP?
     
  3. lynxofsd

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    It's hard to commit the perfect crime, but I think he tried. Let's simplify this massacre and disposal of the troublesome evidence. Anything more complicated just increases the risk of failure.

    The children were murdered and probably in the truck before Shannan arrived. Chris has already planned not to have an "emotional conversation". Yelling and fighting just brings unwanted attention. Chris is motivated to keep the encounter with Shannan as quiet as possible. Shannan arrives, heads to the back bedrooms where the kids usually are. By the time she realizes they aren't there, he subdues her in a way that he intends to leave no evidence of. Guns, sledgehammers, any external object striking her with brute force risks blood or bodily splatter that is hard to eliminate. Chris is a first class psychopath anyway, so he prefers watching her die by strangling her with his own hands, maybe using a scarf or something similar for additional leverage. Shannan expires, but not before she fights for her life, leaving marks on Chris's neck and elsewhere. LE will, in due time, arrange for a forensic examination of Chris's body for scratches, bruises, and other injuries Shannan inflicted on Chris before she died. For now, though, he loads her into the truck to join her children that are already there. At 0515, he leaves home to dispose of them at some barren oil lease, stained with the same petroleum the children will be submerged in, and hopefully not long before the sun ascends too rapidly into the sky.

    Unluckily for him, the comings and goings at their home are being monitored electronically, including the damning evidence of Shannan's arrival, Chris' departure, and a continuous stream of video that shows neither Shannan or the children departing before Nicole arrives, followed by the police investigating Nicole's concerns not too much longer after her arrival. By the time Chris arrives, three television stations tripod their best cameras to record his unrehearsed, ill-considered statements and affect for the entire world to judge and absorb. The judgment of the court of public opinion is swift, and likely accurate.

    A rookie mistake does Chris in quickly, like most narcissists infected with a unstable combination of hubris and guilt. His confession, therefore, was swiftly obtained.
     
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  4. MyBelle

    MyBelle Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps he, too, used his social media accounts to promote Thrive and he decided to end his business relationship with them. I think there are valid reasons why people decide to cut back on social media.
     
  5. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    It will be interesting to find out (now that we know where everyone is) if Nicole comes forward with info about the terrible marriage

    Now i don't know it may be common for SM folks to freak out if someone does not respond to a text instantly.

    But to getL LE involved in 90 minutes i would think indicates she was fully aware of the relationship . I would even think she might have had to say something when she called LE

    One of the first questions le would ask is how long has she been gone

    it was what noonish she would have responded she had a 10 appt

    i don't think they would dispatch for a 90 minute gap in time unless the caller said something they have been having a rough time lately and her husband can be explosive or something like that

    let me ask you this even with the instant response expectations that all that stuff creates would you all feel comfortable calling le in 90 min (assuming you knew nothing about the state of affairs between the two of them?
     
  6. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    yeh the Hipaa stuff is strong. It was a lot more of a change for straight medical folks when they bought it online - confidentiality and privileged communication in our field is brainwashed and our holy grail -- but always has been.

    In public , we can't acknowledge a pt unless the pt approaches and initiates contact - because the logical question of the person with the pt would be how do you know him?

    so we are back to (SW mom) another person being mortified that she gone for a bit of time. All this leads to me others knew how dangerous the situation had become no?

    did her family generally disdain him from the beginning or something

    It does sound all enmeshed -


    how far is the work place and home

    I sure wish we knew what he did for them -curious if it is a deskjob or a out in the field type of work

    you better look out the joint gets addictive quickly!! Welcome

    do you guys realize this thread is 20000 away from Brian Schaffer tradegy

    Incredible post ty!

    ugh now i am back to steroids. If the Thrive stuff was not in this story i think we would be talking about them a lot more

    the thrive stuff seemed to be some coffee and some bark! The lawnmower pic looks like steroids no? Someone said there was a video and then blue said that the pic looked manipulated

    in the video is he that big? I would think it would take some time to go down from the lawnmower size to present size

    anyone know the timelines of the lawnmower to present day

    can steroids also make one get narrower?
     
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  7. wistful

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    Or, if he had some indication a week ago that she planned to leave him, he might have scrubbed his SM to avoid humiliation.
     
  8. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Great post. I think we will get more answers (hopefully) this week. Or whenever the charging document are released.
     
  9. margarita25

    margarita25 “Science, solutions and solidarity“ - Dr. Tedros

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    I’m imagining different scenarios in my head (all terrible) but one I just had is she gets home, they start arguing loudly, maybe physically fighting, she says this is it I’m taking the kids and leaving you, the kids wake up and come out, and he kills them in front of her to hurt her and spite her (would he have had to restrain her to make her watch? Or was she perhaps injured or incapacitated IF there is any plausibility to this scenario (one of many)? I know some here mentioned they think he killed the children earlier...

    Do you guys think he killed CeCe and Bella while they were sleeping? :( Its all going to come out soon I think. Sounds like LE is not planning on holding much back. They seem to have accepted the fact imo that the media and SM is all over this so they might as well keep things straight since there is no need to keep things close to the vest in order to trap a suspect, find victims, etc. One reason for things held back could be of course preserving the integrity of the trial.
     
  10. molly1255

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    Is a charge of tampering with a deceased human body the same as abuse of corpse? And what exactly are they referring to in terms of that?
     
  11. margarita25

    margarita25 “Science, solutions and solidarity“ - Dr. Tedros

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    Like @mtnlites said, that’s one heck of a psychotic break. What if he wasn’t doing drugs I wonder? Can someone reaaaallllly just snap like that? Without NO prior signs? There must have been signs...??? This is driving me crazy trying to understand premeditation vs snapping here. We see premeditation all the time in spousal murders (insurance policy, infidelity, etc) and familial homicides (moms/dads/caregivers killing their children), but these 2 together (wife AND kids) are just really, weird to me (for lack of a better term. I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around this one. The similar cases I do remember on WS where a father abducted and kills the kids was usually been motivated by revenge and spite that I recall, to hurt the mother. Of course there must be other contributing factors in these cases too. Another note is often in cases of where the mom, parent or caregiver kills the child, there is a often history of abuse. (Malik, Sharon, Lucas, Little Jacob/Jayden...)
     
  12. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    I took that to mean moving bodies.

    Understandably LE would want as many as charges as possible

    whoever had to get the kids out is messed up for life

    do they drain the tanks or what

    its hard to think about this part of the tragedy
     
  13. margarita25

    margarita25 “Science, solutions and solidarity“ - Dr. Tedros

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    But In this day and age people know that IF they’re going to plan something like this one’s electronic footprint can be revealing and incriminating...I’m wondering if he had a totally different anonymous computer / internet / phone account IF he planned this. But like @mtnlites said, I’m not so sure he’s this master planner (paraphrasing). Did he go to the library or Starbucks for example IF he was planning this? Actually he wouldn’t need the internet to know about the tanks, etc. If anything, maybe he researched crude oil and DNA, decomp, etc. I doubt it though. Who knows...maybe other accounts for porn, mistress(es), etc.
     
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  14. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    jmo

    but i think the notion of snapping is more tv related.

    Unless someone is psychotic or delusional , for the most part I think it is more like simmering or an inability to manage self if that makes sense

    snapped kinda gives the notion of instant insanity

    moo

    I dont think planned either - I would think if one is ruminating over this over and over they would not slip up or confess about it so quick

    Unless they found something in the house that was incriminating maybe

    I remain hung up on the neighbors calling the cops and fbi -- just the way they expressed and their eyes and stuff it was like they both knew instantly that when asked why or what they noticed that made them call they were not going to answer that - period

    (throughout the interview the male could only "that he did something like that" it was like he could not even utter the statement that he killed the children "like that"....

    to double afterwards and also call the FBI (their words something akin to make sure ) makes me thing they KNEW he did it by something he did or say or he broke down over the kids

    I think the kids are haunting him not her
     
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    margarita25 “Science, solutions and solidarity“ - Dr. Tedros

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    This is actually what I’m wondering about CAR, and actually asked @gitana1 if this type of defense might be used (temporary insanity, crime of passion)..like I said I’m all confused about this “snapping” business..were there signs? There must have been...hard to fathom snapping at this magnitude...
     
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    I'm new (first post!) and I've tried to read everything but I don't think I'm ever going to catch all the way up!

    For what it's worth, I found both SW and CW Pinterest accounts. CW doesn't have anything on his. SW has a lot of food stuff and kid stuff, and she also has a board for Origami Owl and one for Thirty One, both of which I think are MLMs.

    https://www.pinterest.com/shanannwatts/

    https://www.pinterest.com/chrisleewatts/
     
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    margarita25 “Science, solutions and solidarity“ - Dr. Tedros

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    Welcome lawma! :) Thanks for the links!

    (Omg his profile pic, him holding the girls when they were little... :( )
     
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    margarita25 “Science, solutions and solidarity“ - Dr. Tedros

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    11:59. Goodnight all. So sad. Her Pinterest link just posted...:(. Looks like she was quite the cook. Or interested in preparing good food at least.

    (Ungrateful ....)
     
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    Hazelnutty Kindness Matters

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    Would CW be tested for drugs as part of arrest procedure? Curious if he has a history of drug abuse.

    The gas can. Was he going to burn the well / tank that contained the children's bodies? I suppose throwing gas in / on that tank would have created a huge fire and explosion? Leading to other explosions. I believe he intended to put ShaNnans body in the tank with the girls, but a dead wife is harder to hoist than a living one.

    He seems furious. Hell-fire, scorched-earth furious. Something that he's blaming Shannan for. Was he also angry with his employer? What could have happened there? He had lots of places to put the bodies. Why work?

    Something happened during those 5 weeks he was not with Shannan & children.

    I think he's always had this anger and hate inside, but something(s) recent set it off. What in this world could cause someone to kill a child, much less your own children. Killing the girls would definitely hurt Shannan more than anything else could. Is that why he killed them? To hurt her?

    I don't think he's stupid. I don't think he's lazy or slow. I think he simply ran out of time. Thank God for Shannan 's friends.

    I'm simply speculating. Moo
     
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    margarita25 “Science, solutions and solidarity“ - Dr. Tedros

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    Good question about the drug testing...
    Idk...
    Could he have burned Shanann to hide COD, evidence etc? I know it was said “shallow grave”...a fire would have attracted attention...indeed..why the gas can?

    Horrific thought, hazelnutty, if he had created an explosion...they just had that huge fatal home explosion there and it devastated the community...had many residual effects...that’s a whole nother can of worms...
     
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