Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #5

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  1. Mrs G Norris

    Mrs G Norris Well-Known Member

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    Jeffrey McDonald was raging on drugs and stress when he killed his wife and kids, I don't believe he planned that one either, just lost his shiz.
     


  2. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    Before the Internet, it was just as bad, but in a different way. I sold men's suits in an upscale retail store when I was in college, many years ago. One day, a scruffy-looking younger guy comes in and he spent hours running me all over the store. He was acting like he was a VIP and he told me he owned his own business and he made so much money, he was already retired. After all of his big-timing, he ended buying the cheapest suit in the entire store.

    After that, he literally became a stalker and he would NOT leave me alone. He came into the store constantly, asking for my address so he could meet with me alone at MY apartment so he could explain this business opportunity to me. Hell no, he is not coming over to my apartment! Turns out he was with Amway and I told him I was absolutely not interested.

    He kept coming back, pushing and pushing, and polite did not work with this guy so I tried a less than polite approach to get him to back off. I actually told him to "f" off and if he ever bothered me again, I was going to call the police on him.

    That worked!
     
  4. Herat

    Herat Way out West

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    Ooh ooh ooh

    Yes, he has to come up with a story that will fit what Nikole knows, what she and Shannann might have texted about, and what he and Nikole talked about waiting for LE to show up.

    He clearly avoided saying "argument" or "fight" or "altercation" or any word that appears aggressive or violent.

    Emotional discussion sounds so.... civilized, rational, controlled, and safe. He can't be accused of a heinous crime of violence for a "discussion"

    This sounds very much like what a narcissist does, from my experience. Very telling
     
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    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    Herat Way out West

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    But that would mean they had a landline and an answering machine

    Those are vanishing species nowadays.
     
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    He also emphasizes driveways in the back and somebody could have have picked her up from there, and that there's no cameras in the backyard, suggesting possible kidnapping scenario. (EXCEPT he forgot to unlock the back sliding door before leaving the house with 3 bodies. His greatest mistake maybe).

    I have a feeling that after all evidence LE has now become known to us, we'd all be absolutely dumbfounded at his stupidity. He probably made hundreds of mistakes before, during, and after the murder. I can't wait for them to become public.
     
  8. kevin202920

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    Creepy & shameless; somebody at "corporate" must have come up with this. If this does not turn people off MLM, I don't know what would.
     
  9. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    Good sleuthing! I’m big on comparative analysis!

    Oh my goodness this post just reminded me of Bundy’s rampage at the sorority house, he just kept on going, victim to victim.

    In these FA cases, are the victims always killed in close succession of each other, or is there ever a time lapse in between I wonder?
     
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  10. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    the keys in the car make me wonder how come there are no marks on him

    altho that may be just movie stuff

    or maybe she went to get something out of her car? was tired

    long day forgot
     
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    On YouTube there is a video of Dr. MacDonald on the Dick Cavett show, not too long after the murders. His behavior on the show was so bizarre and so inappropriate that his father-in-law realized he did it, and he forced the criminal investigation against MacDonald.

    Here's a link to the interview.

     
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  12. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    i found announcing on local tv that the garage is alway open , at that point in time , also very peculiar
     
  13. PommyMommy

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    Aw, you're welcome. It's the best way for me to keep it all straight, lol!

    For anyone looking to get caught up fast, the media thread is here (7 pages of articles, videos and links so far): MEDIA, MAPS & TIMELINES - NO DISCUSSION - - Shanann Watts (34, dec.), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4
     
  14. mickey2942

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    Guess at charges?

    1. Felony murder x 3,
    2. Abuse of corpse x 3
    3. Child endangerment x 2
    4. Trepass on property
    5. Obstruction of justice, lying to LEO

    Not really sure, they can probably add more. Can they do an enhancement because of the pregnancy?
     
  15. Mariposa

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    I tend to agree.
    At first I thought maybe because the neighbors overheard a loud dispute. Kind of like with Jeffrey McDonald he worked certain things his family screamed while he was killing them into his cover story because he was afraid the neighbors upstairs heard them.
    Then maybe that SH had time to text someone about an argument so he had to cop to it.
    But yeah maybe it was his feeble vague way to build a narrative as to why SW may have left with the kids of her own volition.
     
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    that and liars tend to over-share info as an ego defense.
     
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    Unfortunately, the defense will try to use these mistakes to bargain the charges down to second degree murder or something like that which will make him parole-eligible before he turns Medicare age.

    That would be an utter tragedy
     
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    heck yeah. as an aggravating factor.
     
  19. MyBelle

    MyBelle On Time Out

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    This whole swiping of the internet presence/SM a week before, thinking about this, could there be any other possible reason (other than premeditation)? It seems this would be the obvious answer, some sort of premeditation, but why specifically? He didn’t want to be remembered? If premeditated was he going to try to run?

    Also sure some people scrub their SM for ordinary reasons, but why specifically this at this time IF this was not premeditated? Could he have been hiding from someone? Idk just thinking out loud, maybe he owed people money. Again did he gamble or go to Black Hawk? A lot of crazy speculation here I know, just brainstorming. Was someone blackmailing him? I feel like I’m over thinking everything. Or maybe not...so why else might he scrub it? I’m really to trying to figure out this aspect of premeditation here. I suppose we will find out tomorrow or Tuesday. As I said I’m catching up in the media thread, going back to thread1 now, again thanks for your patience, I’m sure you guys already commented on a lot of this as you were sleuthing, I was super swamped in Mollie’s thread at the time that all this was unfolding. Then I got all distracted on “FAs”, reading backwards etc..

    Does he have a LinkedIn? (Why would this even matter now?) I’m getting too carried away with this nutjob.

    Heartbreaking case. What a waste and what a loss. (Trying to maintain an emotional disconnect here and approach all this analytically.)
     
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