Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #74

[dixiegirl1035]

Essential poll: Victorians overwhelmingly support harsh restrictions to curb Covid second wave

Essential poll: Victorians overwhelmingly support harsh restrictions to curb Covid second wave

Katharine Murphy Political editor

4 hrs ago
The lockdown might be draconian, but Victorians overwhelmingly support the public health restrictions imposed to curb the second wave of coronavirus infections, with support for the measures highest among voters aged over 55, according to a Guardian Essential poll.

New research shows 72% of the sample backs the decision of the Andrews government to impose a curfew between 8pm and 5am, 71% supports curbs on leaving the house, while 70% endorse restrictions on business and the requirement that people travel no further than 5km from their house. Voters aged over 34 are more likely to support the current lockdown measures than younger people.

A strong majority, 79%, report having a good understanding of what they are permitted to do and not do under the restrictions. Majorities in the sample of 500 Victorian voters think the lockdown is appropriate (67%) and will be effective in flattening the curve of new infections (60%) – although 41% of respondents who remain in paid work worry the restrictions will have a negative impact on their employment.

Just goes to show how some are so ignorant, the old adage we don't know what we don't know.

Point in case. I was readying to reply to something in your post about the word draconian as I had thought since January I knew what it meant and disagreed with MSM continuing to pooh pooh what are the BEST health care preventative measures to shut down/prevent travel etc to isolate. I thought it meant outdated/old/we know better now.

Shame on me that I never googled to LEARN, and I had never expressed such here so someone could correct my ignorance.

Soooo, I just now 7 months later googled the word. I.WAS.WRONG

It means excessively harsh, repressive, unfair and severe per google

But even that definition I will disagree with as to being excessively harsh. Agree with severe, but I don't think excessive etc.

So I guess I'm now educated, but still hate that MSM is using the word draconian. It's a word that is not for 8th grade education folks/easy to understand. (Not that I have 8th grade education, but MSM shouldn't use such complex words during pandemic?)

All moo, moooooooooooving on

MOO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

More Britons have been killed by flu and pneumonia than coronavirus for seven weeks | Daily Mail Online

More Britons Have Been Killed By Flu And Pneumonia Than Coronavirus For Seven Weeks In A Row, New Data Reveals

Influenza caused more deaths in UK than Covid-19 between June 19 and July 31

Flu and pneumonia killed 6,626 Britons compared to 2,992 coronavirus deaths

Influenza killed almost five times as many people as Covid-19 at the end of July

"More Britons have been killed by flu and pneumonia than coronavirus for seven weeks in a row, new data has revealed.

Research published by the Office for National Statistics found influenza caused more deaths in the UK than Covid-19 between June 19 and July 31.

In the seven-week period, 6,626 Britons were killed by flu or pneumonia - compared to 2,992 coronavirus deaths.

At the end of last month, influenza killed almost five times as many people as Covid-19 - with 928 flu deaths recorded in the UK compared to 193 due to the pandemic.

The last time Covid-19 recorded more deaths than flu was in the week ending June 12, when it killed 1,114 people compared to 996."

wow??? And this is Summer.

 

[SouthAussie]

Just goes to show how some are so ignorant, the old adage we don't know what we don't know.

Point in case. I was readying to reply to something in your post about the word draconian as I had thought since January I knew what it meant and disagreed with MSM continuing to pooh pooh what are the BEST health care preventative measures to shut down/prevent travel etc to isolate. I thought it meant outdated/old/we know better now.

Shame on me that I never googled to LEARN, and I had never expressed such here so someone could correct my ignorance.

Soooo, I just now 7 months later googled the word. I.WAS.WRONG

It means excessively harsh, repressive, unfair and severe per google

But even that definition I will disagree with as to being excessively harsh. Agree with severe, but I don't think excessive etc.

So I guess I'm now educated, but still hate that MSM is using the word draconian. It's a word that is not for 8th grade education folks/easy to understand. (Not that I have 8th grade education, but MSM shouldn't use such complex words during pandemic?)

All moo, moooooooooooving on

MOO

Yes, the term draconian is pretty negative. The Melbourne people are doing a great job of following the strict lockdown. It would be nice if MSM acknowledged that. The rest of Australia commends them, that's for sure. They are doing it tough, but they are doing it for all of us.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

the situation with school re-openings sends me into a state of anxiety; it isn't only the kids who are vectors for the virus, spreading to educators, but think about the spread to the community- to parents who go shopping at the supermarket- they will be all over the place and many of them will not be wearing masks or socially distancing. I can only see a nightmare ahead with schools re-opening. i would like to be wrong but i don't think i am.


I think i would pass on that LOL




i wipe down with soap and water every item from the grocery store that comes
In my house--- i hate doing it but i dont feel comfortable leaving virus
on stuff

I just got a call from my long distance sister. She has six grands and said that she would only see the new baby of one of her children, and isolate and not see the family member kiddos that are young with the other 5 children from her kiddo in their 30's. All 5 are in middle and high school.

She broke the rule she set.

She called me 3 nights ago and one of the five (the oldest in high school) she wasn't supposed to see was there at her house overnight. He had gotten back from a PLANE TRIP earlier.Because her child said that the kid was bored and needed to travel and get out of being shut down *cough*

Just now, she texted me she awoke last night with a severe headache, and is nauseous, and very sick. I wrote back to notify friends and next door good friend to help.

She's not returning my texts now.

 

[ilovewings]

I just got a call from my long distance sister. She has six grands and said that she would only see the new baby of one of her children, and isolate and not see the family member kiddos that are young with the other 5 children in their 30's.

She broke the rule she set.

She called me 3 nights ago and one of the five she wasn't supposed to see was there at her house overnight. He had just gotten back from a PLANE TRIP earlier.

Just now, she texted me she awoke last night with a severe headache, and is nauseous, and very sick. I wrote back to notify friends and next door good friend to help.

She's not returning my texts now.

I am sorry to hear this about your sister: It seems sometimes we might think we could break the rules just once and be okay and sometimes it works out: other times it doesn't. I hope she does not have Covid. Please let us know how she is doing.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I just got a call from my long distance sister. She has six grands and said that she would only see the new baby of one of her children, and isolate and not see the family member kiddos that are young with the other 5 children in their 30's.

She broke the rule she set.

She called me 3 nights ago and one of the five she wasn't supposed to see was there at her house overnight. He had just gotten back from a PLANE TRIP earlier.

Just now, she texted me she awoke last night with a severe headache, and is nauseous, and very sick. I wrote back to notify friends and next door good friend to help.

She's not returning my texts now.

Praying it's something garden variety.

 

[beatrixpotter]

How the pandemic might play out in 2021 and beyond

Interesting and just too much info and scenarios to cut and paste. But it leaves me feeling deeply resentful this morning at my poor medical care this year because of the stupid and selfish people overwhelming our local hospitals. I can't see the specialist in person who was helping me at the university hospital. And I can't get labs done in the hospital where they are most accurate for the rare disease I have. I kind of hate these people this morning. Months and months of hard work and it's not ending any time soon because others are incredibly selfish and just don't care how their actions affect others.

"June 2021. The world has been in pandemic mode for a year and a half. The virus continues to spread at a slow burn; intermittent lockdowns are the new normal. An approved vaccine offers six months of protection, but international deal-making has slowed its distribution. An estimated 250 million people have been infected worldwide, and 1.75 million are dead.

Scenarios such as this one imagine how the COVID-19 pandemic might play out1. Around the world, epidemiologists are constructing short- and long-term projections as a way to prepare for, and potentially mitigate, the spread and impact of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. Although their forecasts and timelines vary, modellers agree on two things: COVID-19 is here to stay, and the future depends on a lot of unknowns, including whether people develop lasting immunity to the virus, whether seasonality affects its spread, and — perhaps most importantly — the choices made by governments and individuals. “A lot of places are unlocking, and a lot of places aren’t. We don’t really yet know what’s going to happen,” says Rosalind Eggo, an infectious-disease modeller at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine (LSHTM)."

 

[kkdj]

Dbm

 

[oviedo]

Florida coronavirus: Single-day record of new COVID-19 deaths
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ORLANDO, Fla. —

Florida health officials on Tuesday reported another 276 coronavirus related deaths, the highest single-day total since the pandemic began.

The new deaths bring the death toll to 8,553 Florida residents since March.

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Florida also reported 5,886 new cases of COVID-19 on Tuesday. There have now been 542,792 cases reported in the state.

Florida's number of official COVID-19 cases in children has more than doubled over the past month, data from the state showed Tuesday.
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schools are opening now as well...

 

[Simply Southern]

I just got a call from my long distance sister. She has six grands and said that she would only see the new baby of one of her children, and isolate and not see the family member kiddos that are young with the other 5 children from her kiddo in their 30's. All 5 are in middle and high school.

She broke the rule she set.

She called me 3 nights ago and one of the five (the oldest in high school) she wasn't supposed to see was there at her house overnight. He had just gotten back from a PLANE TRIP earlier.Because her child said that the kid was bored and needed to travel and get out of being shut down *cough*

Just now, she texted me she awoke last night with a severe headache, and is nauseous, and very sick. I wrote back to notify friends and next door good friend to help.

She's not returning my texts now.

So sorry to hear this. My bestie neighbor was sick 2 weeks ago. He works in a family business. The group is in a strict bubble. They do get take out on the weekend, at the lake.

He and one other became sick with severe nauseous, vomiting, stomach cramps, ached head to toe and fever. My neighbor is relentlessly and is never down sick. So sick he couldn't talk on the phone. The third day he went to the doctor. Both tested negative for Covid and flu. Dr said it could be an "intestinal bug". Basically, the doctor didn't know what it was, but knew it wasn't Covid and 2 people who work together and hang out on a boat had it. They both got Zpacks. No one else got sick. Moo I think it's something they ate.

He's fine now. But, OMG the worry till we found out it wasn't Covid.

I think all airlines require a mask. I've read about several planes turning around because of masks.

Hoping its just a bug and she can get tested. Some Dr offices have the rapid test.

 

[Trino]

I spoke to a teacher friend of mine last night and asked what the plan is for the big return next month. She teaches secondary school (age 12 and up). She said it's quite a simple plan. The students will not move around the school as they used to, but will be allocated a room and stay there for the day. (Imagining obvious exceptions for science labs and sports..)

They will have mostly double lessons - fills me with dread, remembering double maths .

The teachers will move around the school, rather than the students.

I see the logic, just wondering how that might impact classroom behaviour but I guess that's not the primary concern right now.

I think it's going to be a rocky road due to the sheer numbers of students, clusters will be inevitable I think.

Schools were built to accommodate a large number of students with socialization in mind. Many are old. Examples: Humboldt in St. Paul, MN was built in 1889. South High School, Minneapolis, was built in 1885. Older schools have classrooms with doors and hallways, a common library, common cafeteria, gym, etc., but even newer schools have common areas. Just no way to safely separate kids even if it's teachers who move rather than kids.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

So sorry to hear this. My bestie neighbor was sick 2 weeks ago. He works in a family business. The group is in a strict bubble. They do get take out on the weekend, at the lake.

He and one other became sick with severe nauseous, vomiting, stomach cramps, ached head to toe and fever. My neighbor is relentlessly and is never down sick. So sick he couldn't talk on the phone. The third day he went to the doctor. Both tested negative for Covid and flu. Dr said it could be an "intestinal bug". Basically, the doctor didn't know what it was, but knew it wasn't Covid and 2 people who work together and hang out on a boat had it. They both got Zpacks. No one else got sick. Moo I think it's something they ate.

He's fine now. But, OMG the worry till we found out it wasn't Covid.

I think all airlines require a mask. I've read about several planes turning around because of masks.

Hoping its just a bug and she can get tested. Some Dr offices have the rapid test.

Thanks everyone, I just had to vent vent vent and only here vs. to others in RL. That means so much to me.

Perhaps it will give a heads up to her and her other kids (who are parents of the new baby) not to break those rules, as the 16 yr old is the only one out of the 5 with the other 30 year old kid's offspring that is also going to go back to school person to person. The other 5 are doing virtual.

I have to give input, yet not get into so much disagreement that they shut me down and not share iykwim?

 

[Trino]

How the pandemic might play out in 2021 and beyond

Interesting and just too much info and scenarios to cut and paste. But it leaves me feeling deeply resentful this morning at my poor medical care this year because of the stupid and selfish people overwhelming our local hospitals. I can't see the specialist in person who was helping me at the university hospital. And I can't get labs done in the hospital where they are most accurate for the rare disease I have. I kind of hate these people this morning. Months and months of hard work and it's not ending any time soon because others are incredibly selfish and just don't care how their actions affect others.

"June 2021. The world has been in pandemic mode for a year and a half. The virus continues to spread at a slow burn; intermittent lockdowns are the new normal. An approved vaccine offers six months of protection, but international deal-making has slowed its distribution. An estimated 250 million people have been infected worldwide, and 1.75 million are dead.

Scenarios such as this one imagine how the COVID-19 pandemic might play out1. Around the world, epidemiologists are constructing short- and long-term projections as a way to prepare for, and potentially mitigate, the spread and impact of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. Although their forecasts and timelines vary, modellers agree on two things: COVID-19 is here to stay, and the future depends on a lot of unknowns, including whether people develop lasting immunity to the virus, whether seasonality affects its spread, and — perhaps most importantly — the choices made by governments and individuals. “A lot of places are unlocking, and a lot of places aren’t. We don’t really yet know what’s going to happen,” says Rosalind Eggo, an infectious-disease modeller at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine (LSHTM)."

Just about every prediction I've read for fall/winter 2020/21 is dismal, especially when people cluster inside. Gonna be a rocky road.

 

[24Roses]

Due to severe storms in Iowa on Monday, I have not had internet service until this morning. That is why I have not posted any updates on Monday and Tuesday. I will be back later today now with daily updates and a review of numbers since Sunday. It's so good to be back online!

 

[SouthAussie]

More Britons have been killed by flu and pneumonia than coronavirus for seven weeks | Daily Mail Online

More Britons Have Been Killed By Flu And Pneumonia Than Coronavirus For Seven Weeks In A Row, New Data Reveals

Influenza caused more deaths in UK than Covid-19 between June 19 and July 31

Flu and pneumonia killed 6,626 Britons compared to 2,992 coronavirus deaths

Influenza killed almost five times as many people as Covid-19 at the end of July

"More Britons have been killed by flu and pneumonia than coronavirus for seven weeks in a row, new data has revealed.

Research published by the Office for National Statistics found influenza caused more deaths in the UK than Covid-19 between June 19 and July 31.

In the seven-week period, 6,626 Britons were killed by flu or pneumonia - compared to 2,992 coronavirus deaths.

At the end of last month, influenza killed almost five times as many people as Covid-19 - with 928 flu deaths recorded in the UK compared to 193 due to the pandemic.

The last time Covid-19 recorded more deaths than flu was in the week ending June 12, when it killed 1,114 people compared to 996."

Wow ... that is a massively high rate of flu deaths.

Doesn't the UK have enough flu vacs? And what's the deal with all the flu in summer? Is this unusually high, or is it a terrible norm?


ETA: I just looked up the data tables, and yes, that is a massively high number of flu deaths.
The UK usually has about 2,800 flu deaths each year.
Either something is wrong with those quoted Daily Mail stats, or something else is going wrong.

Deaths by single year of age tables, UK - Office for National Statistics

 

[Simply Southern]

Schools were built to accommodate a large number of students with socialization in mind. Many are old. Examples: Humboldt in St. Paul, MN was built in 1889. South High School, Minneapolis, was built in 1885. Older schools have classrooms with doors and hallways, a common library, common cafeteria, gym, etc., but even newer schools have common areas. Just no way to safely separate kids even if it's teachers who move rather than kids.

All our lower level schools are really old. Most were the original HS back in early 1900s. The HSs are within 50 years.

We' re working off a 1,2,3 Phase plan. Our phase 3 plan has kids attending 2 days, Mon Tues, Wed school/bus heavily disinfected, Thurs, Fri different group. Used every space available, band/music rooms, cafeteria, the gym, the auditorium, with reduce class size.

Our positivity rate is around 16%. We are in phase 1, online only with daily meal delivery. We've had many FB live, local media coverage of the 3 phases process and its constantly fluid. Be prepared to roll back to another phase within 24 hours.

 

[Tillicum]

Poll: More than 50 percent of Ohio restaurants could close within 9 months | NBC4 WCMH-TV

The Ohio Restaurant Association has released a new poll of its members showing the growing impact the coronavirus is having on the industry.

According to the latest numbers, 54 percent of restaurants believe they will have to close permanently in the next nine months if operating at their current capacity.

That number was a 23 perent increase from the week prior.

“Fifty-four percent of restaurants in the state of Ohio – that’s equivalent to 12,420 restaurants. So that’s a megawatt number,” said John Barker, president & CEO of the Ohio Restaurant Association. “That means we have 310,000 employees at risk. That would be over half the industry and this is the second biggest employer in the state.”

 

[Tadpole12]

Today just just mentioned shocking results in a study of vaping and Covid - they haven’t aired the story yet - will look for the study and add link
ETA
Vaping linked to COVID-19 risk in teens and young adults

Having trouble with the link o.
Alternative,
A New Survey Links Vaping to Higher Covid-19 Risk

"A Stanford University report shows that teens and young adults who use e-cigatettes are five to seven times more likely to test positive for the virus."

 

[Simply Southern]

Thanks everyone, I just had to vent vent vent and only here vs. to others in RL. That means so much to me.

Perhaps it will give a heads up to her and her other kids (who are parents of the new baby) not to break those rules, as the 16 yr old is the only one out of the 5 with the other 30 year old kid's offspring that is also going to go back to school person to person. The other 5 are doing virtual.

I have to give input, yet not get into so much disagreement that they shut me down and not share iykwim?

Vent any time you want.. That's what we're here for, to lean on each other. I had one over schools the other day and masks at Big Lots the week before. Thank goodness for the kind members who supported me.

If the weather is warm, they can social distance outside and even wear mask. Maybe baby steps. And remember hand washing. We don't hear much about this but its as important or maybe most important moo. We touch everything with our hands and then our face.

My dad for born in 1911, he was a hand-washing fanatic. If he ask you to make a sandwich he would say .... make sure you wash your hands first , then when you would bring him the sandwich, would say ....did you wash your hands with soap. Drove me nuts growing up.

At large family gathers he would only each certain folks food and even ask mom ...who made it. I was gonna eat that chocolate cake and pie no matter who made it!!! Again drove me nuts.

Now I know why. He was 7 during the 1918 pandemic. Hand washing and disinfecting had been instilled in him at a very young age and he must of had vivid memories memories of this. Ten brothers and sisters and no one died of the flu.

I find it much easier with the 5yo to wash his hands, the 12yo will say...I just washed them. All three are great to mask up and grab and pass the hand sanitizer with out prompting, if we are out.

These are going to be precautions I feel our younger generation will use throughout life.

 

[Tillicum]

Florida girl’s mother shot and killed during first day of online class as teacher watches, police say