Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #147

[M. Kay]

I have my own special favorite for the Flora fire and I definitely think there is a connection. mOO.

Could you give us more (hints) about your favorite and/or especially with any "connection?" (within 'TOS'?). From the beginning some have linked, yet so long ago I can't recall reasoning. What was originally concerning was that much more attention focussed on Abby W. and Libby G. than those in the fire whose names are no longer in memory. For a small community, too many questionable deaths in that brief period---all very young.

 

[minazoe]

well if you go along with my thinking JBC is a serial killer and an arsonist among other things..this is my opinion based on studying his Facebook account. I do believe he set other fires as well. We still have a thread for JBC and as far as we know he is still actively on a list of potential suspects . mOO.

 

[M. Kay]

We still have a thread for JBC and as far as we know he is still actively on a list of potential suspects . mOO.

This post from M. quite helpful; for I wasn't current on what comments are posted elsewhere, even though strongly related to this discussion. I cannot dismiss the closeup exam of Bridge Guy's face from Libby's phone: I see his reddish facial hair. Yet, we do not know how many individuals planned participation below the bridge.

 

[Falling Down]

Flora is the town where several people died in a house fire a couple of years before the A&L murders?

Three months before.

The rental property in question is mere feet from the former Pizza King, like the same block.

There was also a connection between BP and the rental property, via her appraisal business.

All coincidental. I drove IN 18 through Flora in 2020 and saw the places in question, there. Although they're easy to see on Google Maps and Street View.

JMO

 

[IceIce9]

Could you give us more (hints) about your favorite and/or especially with any "connection?" (within 'TOS'?). From the beginning some have linked, yet so long ago I can't recall reasoning. What was originally concerning was that much more attention focussed on Abby W. and Libby G. than those in the fire whose names are no longer in memory. For a small community, too many questionable deaths in that brief period---all very young.

IN - Four sisters, ages 5-11, die in Flora house fire, Nov 2016

More from the above article: Why would the mother not speak with LE to help solve the murders of her four precious daughters? Maybe because she knows the person who tried to kill her and her daughters ? IMO. Court records show he was the petitioner. Indiana Supreme Court public access case...

www.websleuths.com

 

[Boxer]

The Flora girls literally played in front of the Pizza King. Their house was kitty corner from PK and had no sidewalks, so they went across to jump rope and practice cheer routines.

 

[Marzipan]

YEMELYAN..love your posts, but I am definitely lost. (Not an uncommon state of affairs for me.) February 27th, 2017? Of course the "Monday" coincidence. And as Fox Mulder once said, “If coincidences are coincidences, why do they seem so contrived?”
The girls disappeared on Monday.
KG made contact with A_S profile Monday night.
RL calls cousin and asks for a Monday alibi
RL arrested February 27th...Yep a Monday
ISP Carter "new direction" presser Monday
Who would notice or care about a 77 year old man having a beer in a pizza parlor? Unless, LE was already watching him and needed an excuse to put the squeeze on him. Or do several "like minded individuals" tend to meet at that pizza place on Mondays?
That's all I got... g'night...

I hit the Like button mainly for the Fox Mulder quote

 

[TheBishop]

I may not post regularly but there isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t think of Abby & Libby.

Me too - everyday- from UK

 

[minazoe]

Could you give us more (hints) about your favorite and/or especially with any "connection?" (within 'TOS'?). From the beginning some have linked, yet so long ago I can't recall reasoning. What was originally concerning was that much more attention focussed on Abby W. and Libby G. than those in the fire whose names are no longer in memory. For a small community, too many questionable deaths in that brief period---all very young.

I would like to give more but I think it is problematic because JBC has not been named a suspect in the Flora case. Also if I said JBC has a fascination with fire based on his Facebook posts. this is all subjective but many of his posts have
a taunting quality..if you are reading his posts with a certain "lens" where he is a suspect..they are rather disturbing.Also JBC turns up in the vicinity as he does in the murders of the Evansdale girls...but right now he is in jail and being looked at in the Delphi case..and maybe more who knows? mOO

 

[TL4S]

I would like to give more but I think it is problematic because JBC has not been named a suspect in the Flora case. Also if I said JBC has a fascination with fire based on his Facebook posts. this is all subjective but many of his posts have
a taunting quality..if you are reading his posts with a certain "lens" where he is a suspect..they are rather disturbing.Also JBC turns up in the vicinity as he does in the murders of the Evansdale girls...but right now he is in jail and being looked at in the Delphi case..and maybe more who knows? mOO

Your post made me think back to other times LE has looked at someone in regards to Delphi: DN, PE, JBC, etc. None of these people were ever officially named a POI, but in some cases, investigators traveled to other states or requested autopsy results as part of their investigation.

So, in what we know about these three men, specifically, is there a common theme? The weapons of choice don't necessarily match, and neither do the victim demographics. They all committed violent acts on others, but since we don't know a whole lot about the Delphi CS, it's hard to know what, if any, other commonalities between those men gave LE cause to look at them. It's just curious to me. Was LE truly looking at them, seriously, or just doing due diligence and the media/public made too much out of it?

 

[JnRyan]

Was LE truly looking at them, seriously, or just doing due diligence and the media/public made too much out of it?

That thought has occurred to me as well. And now I'm starting to think the same about KAK.

 

[minazoe]

Your post made me think back to other times LE has looked at someone in regards to Delphi: DN, PE, JBC, etc. None of these people were ever officially named a POI, but in some cases, investigators traveled to other states or requested autopsy results as part of their investigation.

So, in what we know about these three men, specifically, is there a common theme? The weapons of choice don't necessarily match, and neither do the victim demographics. They all committed violent acts on others, but since we don't know a whole lot about the Delphi CS, it's hard to know what, if any, other commonalities between those men gave LE cause to look at them. It's just curious to me. Was LE truly looking at them, seriously, or just doing due diligence and the media/public made too much out of it?

With DN we had a guy with a sociopathic lifestyle who was homeless periodically and sleeping under a bridge at the time of the murders..he had exposed himself to a young girl and her mother at a rest stop and was threatening people in a wooded area with a hatchet..he was also at the scene of a murder in CO of trail biker in CO. But I believe his physicality did not match BG.

With JBC we have the stealth attempted murder of a child in his basement all occurring within a 30 minute stretch, which we know from the Delphi timeline that the killer was stealth and fast. Also JBC tried to insert himself into the search for the young girl who was chained in his basement. Everything about his physicality is a dead ringer. Small feet..big sloping shoulders, shortish arms..his walk..etc. Also had periods of homelessness and is a dangerous and violent felon.

I didn't do a deep dive into Paul but I am sure he fits the bill very well. mOO

 

[carbuff]

Your post made me think back to other times LE has looked at someone in regards to Delphi: DN, PE, JBC, etc. None of these people were ever officially named a POI, but in some cases, investigators traveled to other states or requested autopsy results as part of their investigation.

So, in what we know about these three men, specifically, is there a common theme? The weapons of choice don't necessarily match, and neither do the victim demographics. They all committed violent acts on others, but since we don't know a whole lot about the Delphi CS, it's hard to know what, if any, other commonalities between those men gave LE cause to look at them. It's just curious to me. Was LE truly looking at them, seriously, or just doing due diligence and the media/public made too much out of it?

Good question. Some things that come to mind, some trivial:

Though they have significantly different builds, they all have reddish hair, which fits with the sketch and description that was released at the time.

They're all people who travelled around a lot and lived in many places.

I would have to go back to look to be sure, but I'm pretty sure they all have connections to Tennessee.

Not just violent crimes, but sex crimes. Not just sex crimes, but crimes against kids.

Pretty sure they had all been incarcerated at some point. I'd have to go back and look at DN's; his might have been relatively minor.

Those are what I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[Megnut]

Plus, IMO it's important to consider that what occurred that day wasn't what was planned. It's entirely possible IMO that abduction was the first goal -- and that the girls themselves prevented their attacker from leaving the area, taking them to The Secondary Location.

Anger, thwarted and reactionary, he unleashed his rage sooner than intended.

This could have been a whole different kind of double missing persons case if he'd successfully abducted them, especially if nothing of the girls was left behind.

He could have held them captive for an hour, a day, a month -- before disposing of them where no one would be looking.

My point, perhaps he thought he could terrify, control and march them right into a waiting vehicle and disappear them within minutes.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

Plus, IMO it's important to consider that what occurred that day wasn't what was planned. It's entirely possible IMO that abduction was the first goal -- and that the girls themselves prevented their attacker from leaving the area, taking them to The Secondary Location.

Anger, thwarted and reactionary, he unleashed his rage sooner than intended.

This could have been a whole different kind of double missing persons case if he'd successfully abducted them, especially if nothing of the girls was left behind.

He could have held them captive for an hour, a day, a month -- before disposing of them where no one would be looking.

My point, perhaps he thought he could terrify, control and march them right into a waiting vehicle and disappear them within minutes.

JMO

Sounds very plausible if there was a vehicle on the south side.

 

[Megnut]

Sounds very plausible if there was a vehicle on the south side.

There must have been a vehicle there somewhere, since the perpetrator got himself there and away.

I wonder if he parked and escaped completely unnoticed.

Maybe KAK is being coy with us, about not meeting up with Libby, because she didn't show up.

Maybe he knew what the plan was, that a certain somebody was going to corral and control the girls, march them to his vehicle and then to a preselected second location, two girls, one for himself and one for KAK, a sick little gift, kind of like the escorts in LV, only 100,000 times more twisted.

So KAK maybe meant what he said. Sardonic. Libby never showed up. At the second location. Leaving out the part that it wasn't going to be nice meet up.

JMO

 

[TL4S]

That thought has occurred to me as well. And now I'm starting to think the same about KAK.

A "raid" or other LE presence occurred at TK's Peru house in late November 2021, then a couple of weeks later, LE released the a_shots ask. LE only asked about the "creator" of a_shots, not specifically KAK, who was only later identified as a creator by the media. In the 2020 interview, LE suggested there were two creators of a_shots.

All in all, LE has not identified KAK as a POI, nor anybody else...at least not publicly. But in the cases of DN, PE, and JBC, there was never anything publicly released from LE to link those men to Delphi outside of LE "looking into them" and our own speculations. The same cannot be said for the user of a_shots, whoever he might be, which LE wants tips sent to the A&L tip line.

LE has been relatively quiet. They imposed a media blackout in the end of July 2021, which we easily attached to JBC, because it happened right after his arrest, and they said, "No further comment on Mr. Chadwell or any other suspect will be afforded in the foreseeable future,"...

Could JBC have information on Delphi? Maybe. Was the media pressing LE about JBC because he does seem like a good candidate for BG? Maybe. But this was only a few months before the a_shots ask, too...

 

[TL4S]

Here's another question I have. Ignorantly, I was not aware of the original DTH recording that was released first. Once I did know about it, it struck me how poor quality the original was, with the words barely decipherable as human voice (IMO), let alone identifiable words. My question is more technical in nature, then, because I'm wondering if it's possible for the audio people to clean it up well enough to know the DTH voice we all hear now is an accurate representation of the actual man's voice?

 

[minazoe]

A "raid" or other LE presence occurred at TK's Peru house in late November 2021, then a couple of weeks later, LE released the a_shots ask. LE only asked about the "creator" of a_shots, not specifically KAK, who was only later identified as a creator by the media. In the 2020 interview, LE suggested there were two creators of a_shots.

All in all, LE has not identified KAK as a POI, nor anybody else...at least not publicly. But in the cases of DN, PE, and JBC, there was never anything publicly released from LE to link those men to Delphi outside of LE "looking into them" and our own speculations. The same cannot be said for the user of a_shots, whoever he might be, which LE wants tips sent to the A&L tip line.

LE has been relatively quiet. They imposed a media blackout in the end of July 2021, which we easily attached to JBC, because it happened right after his arrest, and they said, "No further comment on Mr. Chadwell or any other suspect will be afforded in the foreseeable future,"...

Could JBC have information on Delphi? Maybe. Was the media pressing LE about JBC because he does seem like a good candidate for BG? Maybe. But this was only a few months before the a_shots ask, too...

just remember..they went to CO for DN and they came back with a flat out nope ..Are there many people in the PE camp still?

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Maybe he knew what the plan was, that a certain somebody was going to corral and control the girls, march them to his vehicle and then to a preselected second location, two girls, one for himself and one for KAK, a sick little gift, kind of like the escorts in LV, only 100,000 times more twisted.

So, one person kidnapped the victims, and he planned on taking them to a vehicle, then driving them to another location to meet/gift KAK, so they both could (each) murder a girl? I really don't think this is realistic.